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Void Shields.

Anything that can actually hit the track can likely take it out, armoured or not.

Don't care though, love the whole thing. Shame it's unlikely I'll ever get my hands on one, if I'm ever earning the sort of money where I can drop £300 on a model, I won't have the time to spend building and painting it!

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
What's the command tank upgrade do?

It's a bit like the old leadership bubble the Imperial Guard used to have a lot of. Models within 24" may re-roll leadership and morale.


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They put out a nice video of the model on Youtube:

Shame it is so expensive but that's the price you pay to deliver all cargo no matter what.

 Ashiraya wrote:
...Yeah. What is up with that?

Why? Because feth Chaos that's why.

 Kirasu wrote:
You're telling me the Vengeful Spirit (Abaddon's flagship) has NO drop pods?

Chaos shot literally all their drop pods at the Battle of Terra and then ran away before they could retrieve them. True story.

Well having worked around and in tracked vehicles I know that concertina wire will ruin most tracks day by binding into the treads and causing them to slip off the mounts. But the IoM seems to have no issues with this. Same as having your guns behind your debarment points. FW and GW both go for rule of cool not will this ever work in reality. I do like the mastodon but my knight army would just run right up to it and proceed to spank it down. Then stomp the little mans that spill out.

 angelofvengeance wrote:


It's not meant to look pretty like an Eldar or Tau vehicle.

To me it looks semi-inspired by the Land-Raider from Judge Dredd.... don't quote me on that though.

Snebze wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:


It's not meant to look pretty like an Eldar or Tau vehicle.

To me it looks semi-inspired by the Land-Raider from Judge Dredd.... don't quote me on that though.

Is there a button on the top which shoots off the spring-loaded front section? Because that would be awesome!

Loved that toy when I was a kid

Sooo...

Something new about the book of red scorpions and mech vs TAU?

Nah, that's from Imperial Armour 11 - Doom of Mymeara.

Good to see that extended. If only they made that permanent...

Torn on the Masadon. Not really torn, no way I'm spending $500 on anything short of a titan and never on resin, but still I do like it.

$200 in plastic I might go for it.

Looks quite scratch buildable with 2-3 land raiders.

 CragHack wrote:
Sooo...

Spoiler:

Y'know, I really, really wish they'd make that a permanent thing. I think it'd be big for them.

Then again, I recognize that shipping isn't cheap, and this cuts into their margin.

 gorgon wrote:
Y'know, I really, really wish they'd make that a permanent thing. I think it'd be big for them.

Then again, I recognize that shipping isn't cheap, and this cuts into their margin.

I hate to say it, but this is 2016. Smaller companies are able to provide free postage, but Forgeworld doggedly stick to their £250 level! I remember reading a while back that their shipping threshold is there to push people to spend more and to discourage smaller orders. Certainly works for me in that I hardly ever impulse purchase with Forgeworld despite the fact that I love the stuff. Though I did an impulse purchase with the recent £125 free shipping threshold...

I wouldn't mind paying for shipping if it was reasonable prices, but it's just like 12% of the order or something silly, no matter what you order.

12% for the UK, 15% for ROW IIRC.

 zedmeister wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
Y'know, I really, really wish they'd make that a permanent thing. I think it'd be big for them.

Then again, I recognize that shipping isn't cheap, and this cuts into their margin.

I hate to say it, but this is 2016. Smaller companies are able to provide free postage, but Forgeworld doggedly stick to their £250 level! I remember reading a while back that their shipping threshold is there to push people to spend more and to discourage smaller orders. Certainly works for me in that I hardly ever impulse purchase with Forgeworld despite the fact that I love the stuff. Though I did an impulse purchase with the recent £125 free shipping threshold...

It's never really free postage, though. For FW to go to that all the time for any order would require them to raise prices or make less per item.

The funny thing is that their system really just discourages what I'd consider to be a medium-sized order. If you just want a single transfer sheet or a pack of Phobos bolters, the 15% ends up being reasonable for overseas shipping. I dunno.

 Necroagogo wrote:

Snebze wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:


It's not meant to look pretty like an Eldar or Tau vehicle.

To me it looks semi-inspired by the Land-Raider from Judge Dredd.... don't quote me on that though.

Is there a button on the top which shoots off the spring-loaded front section? Because that would be awesome!

Loved that toy when I was a kid

Not really a match but (are some of us showing how old we are?) it was fantastic toy!

Although long gone now, I think the plastic figures that I painted up were my first forays into poor painting.

Like most so far, I love the model but despite having a slush fund that could cover it, the price is a bit too steep for me

I suppose that's why I have a decent hobby fund. When it comes to purchasing I'm tighter than a crab's backside at fifty fathoms.

Any normal company offers reasonable shipping levels. Say a base of 3-5£ up to a certain level and then decreased shipping the more you order until it's free usually somewhere around £50 to £100).

FW's "brilliant" flat shipping fees actually incentive people to not add a little extra stuff to get up to the next shipping level (unless you're around the £250, and now £125 level). It's incredibly stupid and probably damage their sales more than one might think.

I've twice once ordered just the objects i n your exemple @gorgon: a single sheet of etched brass from FW, and another time just a pack of phobos bolters. With any other mini company out there I'd probably picked up something more whilst I was on the store anyway, to get cheaper shipping. But as it was there was no point in me doing so I purchased nothing else.

In a way it's considerate of them to not tempt us gamers with even more stuff to add to our ever growing pile of unnfinished projects I guess, but it hardly makes a lot of business sense.

 Zywus wrote:
Any normal company offers reasonable shipping levels. Say a base of 3-5£ up to a certain level and then decreased shipping the more you order until it's free usually somewhere around £50 to £100).

FW's "brilliant" flat shipping fees actually incentive people to not add a little extra stuff to get up to the next shipping level (unless you're around the £250, and now £125 level). It's incredibly stupid and probably damage their sales more than one might think.

I've twice once ordered just the objects i n your exemple @gorgon: a single sheet of etched brass from FW, and another time just a pack of phobos bolters. With any other mini company out there I'd probably picked up something more whilst I was on the store anyway, to get cheaper shipping. But as it was there was no point in me doing so I purchased nothing else.

In a way it's considerate of them to not tempt us gamers with even more stuff to add to our ever growing pile of unnfinished projects I guess, but it hardly makes a lot of business sense.

Yeah... I'd have to say that's just you. Everyone I have ever conversed with expressed the opposite opinion.

And how would your example damage their sales? You're still buying stuff. The notion that people aren't buying items because they wont get a slightly reduced shipping price, when they are already buying things anyway, seems illogical and uncharacteristic of human shopping behavior.
I work retail, so I know how to sell stuff, and how people buy things. The example you gave might be the way you purchase things, but it definetly is not indicitive of people's shopping habits in mass in my experience.

I usually try to save up to get to the free shipping threshold, unless it is something I really, really want.

Neronoxx wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
Any normal company offers reasonable shipping levels. Say a base of 3-5£ up to a certain level and then decreased shipping the more you order until it's free usually somewhere around £50 to £100).

FW's "brilliant" flat shipping fees actually incentive people to not add a little extra stuff to get up to the next shipping level (unless you're around the £250, and now £125 level). It's incredibly stupid and probably damage their sales more than one might think.

I've twice once ordered just the objects i n your exemple @gorgon: a single sheet of etched brass from FW, and another time just a pack of phobos bolters. With any other mini company out there I'd probably picked up something more whilst I was on the store anyway, to get cheaper shipping. But as it was there was no point in me doing so I purchased nothing else.

In a way it's considerate of them to not tempt us gamers with even more stuff to add to our ever growing pile of unnfinished projects I guess, but it hardly makes a lot of business sense.

Yeah... I'd have to say that's just you. Everyone I have ever conversed with expressed the opposite opinion.

And how would your example damage their sales? You're still buying stuff. The notion that people aren't buying items because they wont get a slightly reduced shipping price, when they are already buying things anyway, seems illogical and uncharacteristic of human shopping behavior.
I work retail, so I know how to sell stuff, and how people buy things. The example you gave might be the way you purchase things, but it definetly is not indicitive of people's shopping habits in mass in my experience.

What do you mean people have expressed the opposite opinion. That they're more likely to buy more stuff if the shipping increases with each item?

Unless it's common for people to add extra stuff to get up to £250, the shipping scheme likely damages FW's sales because it is a incentive against buying more stuff than you originally was going to. (with the exempton of orders getting close to £250, but that's a pretty hefty purchase.) If instead of a percentage, the shipping was say £3 for orders up to x grams of weight, I'd probably have added a pack of World eater heads as well as the brass, since it wouldn't have increased the shipping.

If you pay a set shipping cost regardless of whether you purchase one item or two items, someone that was originally only after one item are likely to look around to see if there's something else they might throw in the shopping cart so as to not "waste" the shipping cost already incurred by item 1. All the two-for-one deals we see in every grocery works on a similar principle. You've already paid "full price" for the first chocolate bar so it's tempting to add another one for a small increase in price. Otherwise it feels like you've wasted the potential of purchasing the first bar.


There's a reason for why more or less every online store in the world prices their shipping in bands of weight and/or monetary size (with reductions in shipping cost per item far earlier than FW's normal £250) and not a flat percentage like FW, it's to encourage impulse addons.

Definitely for me as well. If I have to make a small Forgeworld order for whatever reason, I'm usually figuring out if I really need that item for my current project or if I can scrap it to cut down on the shipping tax. Every time, my cart is emptied to the bare bones as the shipping breaks the bank...

Even on the rare occasion my order is enough for free shipping i still always ask i anyone wants to join to avoid shipping. It's common all over for groups to pull an order together so no one pay shipping. Pretty cool to see that regularly happening at our GW store.

Within my gaming group we often do group buys to reach the £250 threshold for free express shipping.

The shipping fees have stopped me from impulse buying a lot of the smaller FW kits over the years, things like the Titan Techpriest and Solomon Lok and retinue which I just can't justify by themselves with the shipping.

I do wonder why they went for such an abstract way of shipping, as they always ship it to you the same way: a thin cardboard box that's either too small or just about right with no room to spare and minimal amount of protective materials.

I just can't bring myself to order from them knowing they're pocketing the VAT tax. Makes me feel like a sucker. Irrational, I know, but I'm only human.

 Haighus wrote:
The shipping fees have stopped me from impulse buying a lot of the smaller FW kits over the years, things like the Titan Techpriest and Solomon Lok and retinue which I just can't justify by themselves with the shipping.

See, for just one item it seems reasonable. Solomon Lok is 22 GBP, so you'd pay, what...2.64 in shipping in the UK? That doesn't seem like a back-breaker even in the Amazon era. But if your order is 150 GBP, you'll pay 18 for shipping in the UK or 22.50(!) ROW, which seems awfully excessive for the probable size and weight we're talking about. It's those big-but-not-huge orders where you really take it on the chin.

Edit: To be clear...I love their products and don't think free or nearly-free shipping is our God-given right as consumers. It just seems odd to me that their shipping price structure discourages those medium-sized orders.

Neronoxx wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
Any normal company offers reasonable shipping levels. Say a base of 3-5£ up to a certain level and then decreased shipping the more you order until it's free usually somewhere around £50 to £100).

FW's "brilliant" flat shipping fees actually incentive people to not add a little extra stuff to get up to the next shipping level (unless you're around the £250, and now £125 level). It's incredibly stupid and probably damage their sales more than one might think.

I've twice once ordered just the objects i n your exemple @gorgon: a single sheet of etched brass from FW, and another time just a pack of phobos bolters. With any other mini company out there I'd probably picked up something more whilst I was on the store anyway, to get cheaper shipping. But as it was there was no point in me doing so I purchased nothing else.

In a way it's considerate of them to not tempt us gamers with even more stuff to add to our ever growing pile of unnfinished projects I guess, but it hardly makes a lot of business sense.

Yeah... I'd have to say that's just you. Everyone I have ever conversed with expressed the opposite opinion.

And how would your example damage their sales? You're still buying stuff. The notion that people aren't buying items because they wont get a slightly reduced shipping price, when they are already buying things anyway, seems illogical and uncharacteristic of human shopping behavior.
I work retail, so I know how to sell stuff, and how people buy things. The example you gave might be the way you purchase things, but it definetly is not indicitive of people's shopping habits in mass in my experience.

I feel like you've misunderstood their point, or all the people you've spoken to have a rather strange opinion on it.

The example given damages their sales because their shipping rates discourages you from buying anything more than the item you want, because your shipping prices increase with each item you add. So you either order small orders with relatively cheap shipping, or large orders with free shipping. But because the free shipping threshold is so high, you can't really just add a couple of small items to an order to reach the free shipping, so you just don't order anything more than you need.

Like Gorgon says, it's okay for small orders, and obviously free for large orders, but anything in between just becomes diminishing returns because your shipping goes up as the amount you order does. Most places have a flat shipping rate (element games, as an example, is £2.95 shipping on any order below £80, and free above £80. If I want something from there that's say £50, I'll just pay the £3 postage. If I want something that's ~£70, I'll probably add something to hit the £80 threshold. From FW, if I want something for £70, there's no point adding extra items because it won't get near the threshold and will just increase the shipping costs).

 BrookM wrote:
12% for the UK, 15% for ROW IIRC.

There are reasons why I save up to buy at the 250 level or higher in bursts of purchase, rather than smaller, more steady streams.

Or wait until they do a free shipping thing, but I never do that during the summer, because I need to know when stuff is coming so I can either divert it to a UPS store, or make sure I'm at home to get it. It gets too freakin' hot here to have a bunch of expensive resin sitting out and about for hours.