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Ork boyz currently cost 6pts each and come with a Pistol and a 6+ armor save. I was thinking about fielding "Feral" Orks which would be armed with just choppas and no sluggas or shootas. To make up for the complete lack of ranged attack and the removal of their all important 6+ armor save I was thinking of making them either 4 or 5pts each instead of 6.

Thoughts?

I dunno man, mixing and matching them with the normal army doesn't make sense. Feral Orks are Orks from a tribe who lacks access to tech.

 Ashiraya wrote:
I dunno man, mixing and matching them with the normal army doesn't make sense. Feral Orks are Orks from a tribe who lacks access to tech.

But allying Eldar and Dark Eldar makes complete sense. Or Chaos allying with Space Marines

One of your rooms being dirty is no excuse for dirtying down another.

And, not to be a sticky wicket, fluff-wise, Dark Eldar and Eldar makes perfect sense. They are different philosophies, but see one another as kin, they may not hang out together, but they still turn up to help each other for a common threat.

Well we can call them something else, The snakebite tribe is mostly feral, they don't really utilize tech at all. How about just a name change then with the rules I mentioned.


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 curran12 wrote:
And, not to be a sticky wicket, fluff-wise, Dark Eldar and Eldar makes perfect sense. They are different philosophies, but see one another as kin, they may not hang out together, but they still turn up to help each other for a common threat.

thats only come out recently in the fluff, it used to be they hated one another and viewed each other with hatred. But then GW had to find another way to Make Eldar more special then anyone else, so they are allowed to ally with their historic rivals.

I'd say 5 points seems fair, especially if the slugga just gets downgraded to another close combat weapon. Even if feral, I can't see an ork going to a scrap without at least a stout femur in his off hand.

On the topic of eldar/dark eldar alliances, someone once gave the best analogy I could see to justify it: Imagine the person you despise most in the world. Now imagine the two of you are alone in a world full of monkeys trying to kill you.

If you're looking for ideas look into the savage orks they had for fantasy. They had a constant 6+ invuln from their war paint. Maybe something like that?

There was a savage ork army list in the chapter approved book back in 4th ed, you could look at the base ork in there and compare the point disparity between it and the 4th ed ork. Then math

Also, I love that saying about the eldar and dark eldar. Exalted!

really, the eldar and dark eldar hate each other, and certain kabals even go as far as to pillage other craftworlds, taking all the wraithbone and even some eldar as slaves.

the dark eldar think the regular eldar are weak, and the regular eldar think the dark eldar are weak willed.

it makes perfect sense that they hate each other, as, really, the dark eldar, kinda birthed a chaos god and stuff.

on the topic of feral orks, I like the idea, I don't know much about ork fluff, however, 4 points would be more fitting, as, you are basically making the simplest model in the entire game.

Make it like a unit of poor, young Orks. 4 ppm, ws3, 2 ccw but no pistol and no armor. 'Yoofs' do exist.

Basic boy, minus T shirt, trades Slugga for a melee weapon.

Gets "Teknophobe" - ie treats rest of the Ork army as Desperate Allies.

Would say thats sufficiently crap to cost 4pt. Otherwise, lets be honest - ditching the slugga and the 6+ alone is barely enough for 5pt, cuz your just dropping useless stuff from the model.

Ghaz, if it's mostly an equipment option why not just add it to Ork Boyz and not overcomplicate it?

- Slugga
- Shoota
- Nuffin'!

The fluff for this is easy to justify. As the Orks march to war, a nearby tribe of Wildboyz feels the pull of Da Waaagh and joins the throng, ready for a good scrap!

How about keep them the same points, they loose access to shootas and sluggas and their 6+ armour save as well as any access to dedicated transports, but they gain a 6+ invulnerable save from the War Paints and also gain Move through Cover as well as an additional Choppa. Nobs would only be allowed to get Big Choppas as well.

How about that? That would allow you to use your Fantasy Savage Orcs all you wished!

Eh, dropping slugga and 6+ save and lowering the cost to 4ppm is enough, however, to make them unique and at least have some niche you should follow the suggestion of ALEX.

Almost make me want to create a Feral Ork Codex.

 gummyofallbears wrote:
really, the eldar and dark eldar hate each other, and certain kabals even go as far as to pillage other craftworlds, taking all the wraithbone and even some eldar as slaves.

the dark eldar think the regular eldar are weak, and the regular eldar think the dark eldar are weak willed.

it makes perfect sense that they hate each other, as, really, the dark eldar, kinda birthed a chaos god and stuff.

on the topic of feral orks, I like the idea, I don't know much about ork fluff, however, 4 points would be more fitting, as, you are basically making the simplest model in the entire game.

Your fluff is all sorts of wrong