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They are the same price as Terminators/Wraithguard etc, and the models are at least as big as those. They are an elite army. I have no problem with the Liberators/Judicators because of that, but the Paladins and Retributors should be the same price and not even more expensive.

 Mymearan wrote:
They are the same price as Terminators/Wraithguard etc, and the models are at least as big as those. They are an elite army. I have no problem with the Liberators/Judicators because of that, but the Paladins and Retributors should be the same price and not even more expensive.

Y'know, I can kind of see why people are put off by the prices/components for the normal boxed sets and blisters of Stormcast.
The Age of Sigmar box's fluff(and the missions including until you get to "Rain of Death") makes it clear that the Stormcast are an "elite" army, but at the same time they put in two small units of Liberators rather than one big one--which made a lot of people start thinking about AoS in terms of MSU immediately.

If it had been me, to emphasize the point of the army being an elite one?
1) Lord-Celestant on Dracoth
2) Lord-Relictor
3) Unit of 3 Retributors
4) Unit of 3 Prosecutors
5) Unit of 10 Liberators with only a single Liberator-Prime

Quite literally, the simple act of changing the Liberators from 2 units of 5 to 1 unit of 10 makes the box dramatically different--especially if the missions in the box never actually made use of all 10 Liberators until the final two missions and they kept the "waves" rule from "Indomitable" in play for the Goretide.

Seeing the Chaos terrain kits and the tiny Blood Warriors box with the huge price on the sticker earlier today was pretty sureal. I KNEW how expensive it was, but seeing it was shocking. Compared to split or even WHOLE AoS starters the price increase is crazy.

If GW halved their prices I'd buy so much more. Like those "failed" price experiments with Chaos Knights and Cold One Knights. I bought both, without having those armies. Or even doubled the model count per box, if they can't reduce their price bands. It wouldn't add a lot of cost for them besides storage and transport.

The AoS pricing model is pretty much the same as 40k's Dark Vengeance versus buying similar models separately. The only real difference is that IMO the game is optimized for a smaller number of models, generally speaking.

Price per model, the prices are not really much different than Wyrd and PP (or CB infinity models) -- which is to say, a lot, if you want to own a lot of models; a little less, of you just want to own enough to play the games.

Incidentally, the chaos terrain kits sound expensive, but they are actually really large. It's a bit hard to appreciate til it is on the table beside other stuff. A lot of their configurations would just be totally unusable for most people (not a big enough table, and nowheree left to put models lol).

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
They are the same price as Terminators/Wraithguard etc, and the models are at least as big as those. They are an elite army. I have no problem with the Liberators/Judicators because of that, but the Paladins and Retributors should be the same price and not even more expensive.

Y'know, I can kind of see why people are put off by the prices/components for the normal boxed sets and blisters of Stormcast.
The Age of Sigmar box's fluff(and the missions including until you get to "Rain of Death") makes it clear that the Stormcast are an "elite" army, but at the same time they put in two small units of Liberators rather than one big one--which made a lot of people start thinking about AoS in terms of MSU immediately.

If it had been me, to emphasize the point of the army being an elite one?
1) Lord-Celestant on Dracoth
2) Lord-Relictor
3) Unit of 3 Retributors
4) Unit of 3 Prosecutors
5) Unit of 10 Liberators with only a single Liberator-Prime

Quite literally, the simple act of changing the Liberators from 2 units of 5 to 1 unit of 10 makes the box dramatically different--especially if the missions in the box never actually made use of all 10 Liberators until the final two missions and they kept the "waves" rule from "Indomitable" in play for the Goretide.

Does the fluff really portray them as a small elite army? The Stormhosts are pretty big considering they consist of multiple chambers of Stormcast Etermals and only Sigmar knows the number of Stormhosts. Sigmar sends the Stormhosts to fight for control of entire realms so they have a history of fighting massive, important battles in the war against Chaos. Granted AoS is set up to be played as a skirmish level game but the background seems to show Stormcast Eternals frequently fighting as large armies not small elite units.

Prestor Jon wrote:

Does the fluff really portray them as a small elite army?

Yup. Just gotta read it and pay attention to the maps with the lightning bolts striking down(each one is where a Chamber's forces were sent).

The Stormhosts are pretty big considering they consist of multiple chambers of Stormcast Etermals and only Sigmar knows the number of Stormhosts.

Let's just settle this right now:

Warhammer Age of Sigmar page 12-13 wrote:
Hammers of Sigmar
Warrior Chamber
The exact combination of retinues within each conclave may vary from chamber to chamber, but in most cases the number of retinues in each will match the example below.

The breakdown?

1x Lord-Celestant
1x Lord-Relictor
Auxiliary Command consisting of:
1x Knight Vexillor
1x Knight-Heraldor
1x Lord-Castellant and his Gryph-Hound

Angelos Conclave, consisting of 3x Angelos Retinues.
An Angelos Retinue is 6 Prosecutors.

Paladin Conclave, consisting of 6 Paladin Retinues.
Each Paladin Retinue is 12 Paladins(any type).

Redeemer Conclave, consisting of 9 Redeemer Retinues.
Each Redeemer Retinue consists of 20 Liberators.

Justicar Conclave, consisting of 6 Justicar Retinues.
Each Retinue consists of 10 Judicators.

So the Warrior Chamber, which is put down as the example, is going to clock in at 336 Stormcast Eternals--and the Auxiliary Command specifically states that it "may be augmented by additional officers" so it can potentially be more which we see in "The Quest for Ghal Maraz" with the addition of Knight-Venator Yracus Cloudstrike and Knight-Azyros Liminus Stormsight--bringing the Warrior Chamber titled 'The Hammerhands' to 338 Stormcast Eternals.

"The Quest for Ghal Maraz" further states that there are "over twenty crusade chambers. However, only ten are formally listed in the Annals Celestis." Twenty Chambers, each consisting of 336 members is 6720 Stormcast Eternals--and that doesn't factor in the fact that we aren't told how the Heraldor, Judicator, Valedictor, or Relictor Temples are actually organized.

So the entirety of the Hammers of Sigmar Stormhost is 6720 Stormcast Eternals,and they were fighting not just in one single Realm but all of the Realms.

The entirety of a single Chamber was never mentioned to be in one single battle though, with each individual member of the commands having their own forces.

Ionus Cryptborn, the Relictor of the Hammerhands was mentioned as having taken a force into battle for example.

Sigmar sends the Stormhosts to fight for control of entire realms so they have a history of fighting massive, important battles in the war against Chaos.

The Stormhosts don't have "a history of fighting massive, important battles in the war against Chaos". They don't have a history of anything as the whole Realmgate Wars are the first time that the Stormhosts have gone to war.

Granted AoS is set up to be played as a skirmish level game but the background seems to show Stormcast Eternals frequently fighting as large armies not small elite units.

It shows them doing both. The initial fighting for the Realms of Fire and Life are small elite units(Retributors from the Paladin Conclaves, Prosecutors from the Angelos Conclaves, and a smattering of Liberators from the Redeemer Conclaves) breaking through and opening the Realmgates.

It's not until afterwards that you see more Liberators pouring through the Realmgates themselves, but that's not exactly a huge stretch. The point of the invasions are to reconquer entire Realms.

 oni wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:
Dear Lord, not more Sigmar!

My AOS sales in my store have dropped to zero. People were somewhat excited about new sculpts for existing races, but not an endless tide of sigmar. I'm down to ordering 1 of a new release, and sometimes that sits. I used to order 8-16 of all WFB releases and 30 armie books. How the mighty have fallen.

I so miss that 40k game they used to make. That little sucker was hot, you'd get 6 kits and a new codex in 3 weeks and they pumped them out fast. Wonder if GW will ever remember they made a game that sells?

If I might chime in with a theory... I would argue that the 'local community' shot itself in the foot. Rather than embracing the new AoS game for what it is the 'local community' tried to mold AoS into something it was never meant to be... An updated WFB. When the 'local community' didn't like the abomination they created, interest faltered.

My recommendation to you Mikhaila, to reinvigorate interest in AoS, would be to try and change the manner in which the 'local community' views AoS. Try embracing the game as it is, don't change it and you may be surprised to find avenues of thinking / game play that you.hadn't considered previously.

I know that you're trying to be helpful to Mikhalia as an independent store owner and businessman, but honestly isn't this GW's fault? Ultimately if people aren't "getting it" with the new army, why should it fall to store operators to mold the public's perception? is that what they call "marketing?" I know, I know, not GW's strong suit...

-C6

How long did it take for GW to release all the tau stuff when they were first released?

 oni wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:
Dear Lord, not more Sigmar!

My AOS sales in my store have dropped to zero. People were somewhat excited about new sculpts for existing races, but not an endless tide of sigmar. I'm down to ordering 1 of a new release, and sometimes that sits. I used to order 8-16 of all WFB releases and 30 armie books. How the mighty have fallen.

I so miss that 40k game they used to make. That little sucker was hot, you'd get 6 kits and a new codex in 3 weeks and they pumped them out fast. Wonder if GW will ever remember they made a game that sells?

If I might chime in with a theory... I would argue that the 'local community' shot itself in the foot. Rather than embracing the new AoS game for what it is the 'local community' tried to mold AoS into something it was never meant to be... An updated WFB. When the 'local community' didn't like the abomination they created, interest faltered.

My recommendation to you Mikhaila, to reinvigorate interest in AoS, would be to try and change the manner in which the 'local community' views AoS. Try embracing the game as it is, don't change it and you may be surprised to find avenues of thinking / game play that you.hadn't considered previously.

And I'll politely say that your theory is incorrect. If you want to stop by the shop, i'd discuss things. Not on a message board.

But to be clear for the rest of you, what Oni refers to as "shooting themselves in the foot" is organizing an escalation league of a dozen players, meeting up weekly, playing games, and using the Azyr points system. I just don't see this as a bad thing, sorry.

How is the league going?

The majority of this thread appears to be old men complaining and not a lot of news or rumours.

Seriously guys, if you don't like it, move on and leave the rest of us space to think/enjoy things without all the negatrons.

Err excuse me this model is posed slightly incorrectly, oh my points system is better, how do people have fun without over complicated rules? jebus. you really do nothing for the already troubled impression people have of those who play war games.

Troll Hunter General wrote:
The majority of this thread appears to be old men complaining and not a lot of news or rumours.

Seriously guys, if you don't like it, move on and leave the rest of us space to think/enjoy things without all the negatrons.

Err excuse me this model is posed slightly incorrectly, oh my points system is better, how do people have fun without over complicated rules? jebus. you really do nothing for the already troubled impression people have of those who play war games.

I'll assume this is your first time on the internet.

Troll Hunter General wrote:
The majority of this thread appears to be old men complaining and not a lot of news or rumours.

Seriously guys, if you don't like it, move on and leave the rest of us space to think/enjoy things without all the negatrons.

Err excuse me this model is posed slightly incorrectly, oh my points system is better, how do people have fun without over complicated rules? jebus. you really do nothing for the already troubled impression people have of those who play war games.

Ha - no i'm aware of the internet being made up of just such a thing. be good to try and escape the monotony for a while.

Complaining is dull as fudge to read.


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 zedmeister wrote:

Troll Hunter General wrote:
The majority of this thread appears to be old men complaining and not a lot of news or rumours.

Seriously guys, if you don't like it, move on and leave the rest of us space to think/enjoy things without all the negatrons.

Err excuse me this model is posed slightly incorrectly, oh my points system is better, how do people have fun without over complicated rules? jebus. you really do nothing for the already troubled impression people have of those who play war games.

ha - no I'm actually a new member who got bored of lurking and decided to get involved. Disappointed upon my return to the hobby to find it is still full of the same old dullards and boring chat. Any enthusiasm I've had recently for AoS is getting sapped by continued negativity, the same old complaint tropes being rolled out each time there is a new model...

Please keep in mind a few things:

1) Don't call people 'trolls' and/or 'sock puppets' - it is against Rule #1. If you see a post you think breaks any of the rules of the site, report it using the "MODERATOR ALERT" button.

2) Similarly, do not 'broad brush' the community or the users here by referring to them as 'dullards', 'grumpy old men', etc. That is ALSO against Rule #1. Again, if you see a post you think breaks any of the rules of the site, report it using the "MODERATOR ALERT" button.

I'm not trying to broad brush the whole community, simply trying to say that this thread has gone west of the initial purpose, as has been pointed out before. There have been previous warnings on this thread about only discussing news and rumours, but i've seen the same repeated complaints getting in the way of discussion.

I aimed to encourage positivity, not be negative about others.

Secondly, I love the GW Trolls and mythical trolls in general. This is why I chose this name, hope you don't think i was calling out "internet" trolls. That appears to be an unintended coincidence

How many times do you have to hit the alert button? I think it might be broken as this has been going on for pages.
I guess the quickest way to get one here is to post a pic of a sock puppet?

People can have negative reactions to rumors, though. Case in point...okay, pretty much every rumor thread I've ever seen, but hey! It turns out we were justified!

:p

Positivity's fine too, but if everyone who doesn't like something just keeps quiet, it turns into an echo chamber. Just as if everyone who likes something keeps quiet. If you think the model is cool, awesome! Say so. Tell us why you like it. Maybe you'll point out something we missed, like with the helmet on the Herald guy that actually did allow him to blow the trumpet (if his face wasn't...completely painted gold, but hey! Gold spray paint IS officially one of the best things about Age of Sigmar!). Complaining about complaining is just as dull to read as complaining, though.

GW trolls ARE fun, aren't they? Despite everything, I still love the river troll models.

I totally agree, being negative is welcome and a total part of the feedback/discussion process, but after page and page of the same complaint or lazy comparisons it's just boring. I'm a grumpy old man myself, and love a moan, but there's an acceptable quota on that no? If not to prevent us turning into bitter killjoys.

If no one calls out the complaints though they do seem to keep coming.

Re trumpet/clarion guy, the Sigmarites have been resurrected and reforged by Sigmar, rather than undead i figured this meant they were the spirits of fallen warriors occupying the armour in some form of mystical light/aura style. In which case surely the concept of blowing is irrelevant, and they could just make the noise anyway.

It puzzles me that when the GW world is made up of so many fantastical elements and ideas that defy the physics of the real world, why people pick up on the oddest little things.

Part of what is going on is simply not enough "news and rumors". With enough to talk about, we don't spin through page after page of discussion with nothing really being said.


This is actually part of my frustration. GW doesn't put out information ahead of time at all. But usually we have some rumors, even false ones, about upcoming releases. I'm hearing a lot of crickets with AOS. This worries me. And understand, my worries are about what to do to replace a couple thousand dollars a month in sales, what to do with 20 thousand dollars of models on the wall, and what I should be buying that people are excited about.

This release is just odd. We should know something about an upcoming release schedule of other races. There should be some hints or pictures of greens, or something that isn't Sigmarites. It feels like nothing is in the pipeline, and they are stretching it out.

In other words, a lack of commitment to AOS, and maybe it really was just a short term exploit to see if they can jumpstart the WFB range of models. I don't think they planned for success.

Hope I'm wrong, and in the next year we see at least 2-3 of the fantasy races get new models. Pray that this is so.

Well, you know, everyone wants to get their shot in at the silly model. Can't just tell them to hush up after the first five people. :p

Couple of points there - sigmarite is apparently a term for Fantasy ceramite now, rather than a follower of Sigmar. The demographics of people making armor out of sigmarite have shifted dramatically. The Stormcast are indeed physical beings, apparently transformed from mem, women, elves, dwarves, orcs, and anyone else who fought hard enough against Chaos to catch Sigmar's attention span in between wandering off and abandoning the Realms because Nagash made him mad. This interesting variety of warriors is then transformed exclusively into giant Space Marine-esque guys. They don't actually die, he physically rescues and 'reforges' them.

There's a certain amount of suspension of disbelief you have to preserve. It helps to keep the little things internally consistent. Sometimes you can wave your arms and go 'because it was magic', but this works best with logical conclusions following it. Since the Stormcast are physical beings, and this guy has a physical trumpet, he should probably have a physical way to blow it.

Through his mouth. Not his eye.

:p

 Kanluwen wrote:

Prestor Jon wrote:

Does the fluff really portray them as a small elite army?

Yup. Just gotta read it and pay attention to the maps with the lightning bolts striking down(each one is where a Chamber's forces were sent).

The Stormhosts are pretty big considering they consist of multiple chambers of Stormcast Etermals and only Sigmar knows the number of Stormhosts.

Let's just settle this right now:

Warhammer Age of Sigmar page 12-13 wrote:
Hammers of Sigmar
Warrior Chamber
The exact combination of retinues within each conclave may vary from chamber to chamber, but in most cases the number of retinues in each will match the example below.

The breakdown?

1x Lord-Celestant
1x Lord-Relictor
Auxiliary Command consisting of:
1x Knight Vexillor
1x Knight-Heraldor
1x Lord-Castellant and his Gryph-Hound

Angelos Conclave, consisting of 3x Angelos Retinues.
An Angelos Retinue is 6 Prosecutors.

Paladin Conclave, consisting of 6 Paladin Retinues.
Each Paladin Retinue is 12 Paladins(any type).

Redeemer Conclave, consisting of 9 Redeemer Retinues.
Each Redeemer Retinue consists of 20 Liberators.

Justicar Conclave, consisting of 6 Justicar Retinues.
Each Retinue consists of 10 Judicators.

So the Warrior Chamber, which is put down as the example, is going to clock in at 336 Stormcast Eternals--and the Auxiliary Command specifically states that it "may be augmented by additional officers" so it can potentially be more which we see in "The Quest for Ghal Maraz" with the addition of Knight-Venator Yracus Cloudstrike and Knight-Azyros Liminus Stormsight--bringing the Warrior Chamber titled 'The Hammerhands' to 338 Stormcast Eternals.

"The Quest for Ghal Maraz" further states that there are "over twenty crusade chambers. However, only ten are formally listed in the Annals Celestis." Twenty Chambers, each consisting of 336 members is 6720 Stormcast Eternals--and that doesn't factor in the fact that we aren't told how the Heraldor, Judicator, Valedictor, or Relictor Temples are actually organized.

So the entirety of the Hammers of Sigmar Stormhost is 6720 Stormcast Eternals,and they were fighting not just in one single Realm but all of the Realms.

The entirety of a single Chamber was never mentioned to be in one single battle though, with each individual member of the commands having their own forces.

Ionus Cryptborn, the Relictor of the Hammerhands was mentioned as having taken a force into battle for example.

Sigmar sends the Stormhosts to fight for control of entire realms so they have a history of fighting massive, important battles in the war against Chaos.

The Stormhosts don't have "a history of fighting massive, important battles in the war against Chaos". They don't have a history of anything as the whole Realmgate Wars are the first time that the Stormhosts have gone to war.

Granted AoS is set up to be played as a skirmish level game but the background seems to show Stormcast Eternals frequently fighting as large armies not small elite units.

It shows them doing both. The initial fighting for the Realms of Fire and Life are small elite units(Retributors from the Paladin Conclaves, Prosecutors from the Angelos Conclaves, and a smattering of Liberators from the Redeemer Conclaves) breaking through and opening the Realmgates.

It's not until afterwards that you see more Liberators pouring through the Realmgates themselves, but that's not exactly a huge stretch. The point of the invasions are to reconquer entire Realms.

I think we have different views on what constitutes a small elite army. If there are enough Stormcast Eternals to fight multiple battles across multiple fronts simultaneously and have every force be at least Chamber sized then there are a LOT of Stormcast Eternals. There are the 8 Stormhosts mentioned by GW and then since Sigmar alone knows how many Stormhosts there really are any Sigmarite player can create their own Stormhost. So it is entirely consistent with the fluff for there to be 6720 x ( 8+ as many Stormhosts as the community wants to create) = anywhere from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of Stormcast Eternals.

Your assertion that Stormcast Eternals haven't fought Chaos prior to the Realmgate Wars since all 8 of the named Stormhosts are already renown for their prowess fighting Chaos. I think the Hammers of Sigmar Stormhost are the first to fight against Chaos in this particular Realmgate Wars but not the first to ever fight Chaos otherwise the blurbs about the Stormhosts wouldn't make sense.

Celestial Vindicators: Made from heroes from the most war-torn lands, these turquoise-hued warriors are fearless even against the power of a Bloodthirster.

Sigmar's Chosen, page 26-29

Astral Templars: Dark purple warrior that are known as the scourge of beasts and monsters.

Hallowed Knights: Silver armored warriors, whose purity of spirit and righteous passion grants them immunity to most evil magicks

Maelstrom of Light: The purest warriors who fought back the the daemon legions at the Battle of Verdant Abyss.

Warhammer: Age of Sigmar Primer, the Pageantry of War
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/What%27s-New-Today-from-the-White-Dwarf-Team/2015/07/08/A-new-book-for-a-new-beginning

So how could the Celestial Vindicators prove to everyone how they're fearless against Bloodthirsters and the Hallowed Knights prove their immunity to evil magicks if no Stormhosts fought Chaos prior to the Hammers of Sigmar opening the Gates of Azyr? How could the Maelstrom of Light Stormhost fight legions of daemons at the Verdant Abyss (seemingly an oxymoron) if no Stormhosts fought large battles against Chaos prior to the Hammers of Sigmar launching the Realmgate War?

Either the Stormhosts have gained renown from fighting Chaos, monsters, evil, etc. already or they're brand spanking new but it can't be both.

This isn't directed at you personally I'm just trying to find some clarity on GW's backstory for the Stormcast Eternals. I haven't purchased the books so I'm sure there's details I'm missing but everything that GW has made publicly available for free regarding the Stormcast Eternals shows them to be a massive army created by Sigmar to fight against Chaos across all the realms. Their smallest organized unit is a Chamber of a few hundred Stormcast Eternals which militarily speaking is a pretty small unit yes and they are unquestionably elite warrior but they really aren't a small army if there are thousands upon thousands of them and Sigmar and choose to send them a force of whatever size he wants to fight any given battle in the war against Chaos. It's a far cry from being something like Grey Knights in 40K where there is only 1 chapter for entire galaxy to fight against Chaos/Daemons.

Perhaps this best for the AoS background subforum but at least it's about AoS, Stormcast Eternals and news about them released by GW even if it isn't particularly new.

Yeah the lack of anything else does lead to chatting about the same stuff tbh.

For GW to go from "The End Times" to Age of Sigmar and commit to an ongoing developing narrative for the series suggests this isn't the end of the AoS development. I cant see them changing the rules again, as these are deliberately stripped back.

I think as Stormcast had nothing, they've rolled out a whole army over 8 weekly White Dwarfs instead of two monthly ones, this then making it seem like nothing but gold plates and lionheads.

I'll interject some positivity.

Warhammer 8 was the worst ruleset ever written by mankind and dumping it was the best move GW has ever made.
AoS is a breath of fresh air and it's causing me to buy GW models other than LOTR for the first time in a long time.

The two best positive side effects are:
a) Kings of War, a superior mass battles ruleset, now has a lot more attention
b) Age of Sigmar is a really, really fun skirmish game

And our local FLGS and community has embraced it, lots of AoS going on.

Just picked up a box of Judicators myself, excellent models. Gotta grab some of the newer kits next paycheck.

 judgedoug wrote:
I'll interject some positivity.

Warhammer 8 was the worst ruleset ever written by mankind and dumping it was the best move GW has ever made.
AoS is a breath of fresh air and it's causing me to buy GW models other than LOTR for the first time in a long time.

The two best positive side effects are:
a) Kings of War, a superior mass battles ruleset, now has a lot more attention
b) Age of Sigmar is a really, really fun skirmish game

And our local FLGS and community has embraced it, lots of AoS going on.

Just picked up a box of Judicators myself, excellent models. Gotta grab some of the newer kits next paycheck.

This- so much. I was the same. Enjoyed the fluff more than the actual game. Just couldn't get into it. Along comes AoS, and now I actually look forward to playing in the fantasy setting.

 oni wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:
Dear Lord, not more Sigmar!

My AOS sales in my store have dropped to zero. People were somewhat excited about new sculpts for existing races, but not an endless tide of sigmar. I'm down to ordering 1 of a new release, and sometimes that sits. I used to order 8-16 of all WFB releases and 30 armie books. How the mighty have fallen.

I so miss that 40k game they used to make. That little sucker was hot, you'd get 6 kits and a new codex in 3 weeks and they pumped them out fast. Wonder if GW will ever remember they made a game that sells?

If I might chime in with a theory... I would argue that the 'local community' shot itself in the foot. Rather than embracing the new AoS game for what it is the 'local community' tried to mold AoS into something it was never meant to be... An updated WFB. When the 'local community' didn't like the abomination they created, interest faltered.

My recommendation to you Mikhaila, to reinvigorate interest in AoS, would be to try and change the manner in which the 'local community' views AoS. Try embracing the game as it is, don't change it and you may be surprised to find avenues of thinking / game play that you.hadn't considered previously.

Is it FLGSs job to reinvigorate interest though or rather GWs? Isn't it better to find out what people want instead of trying to push trash they don't buy. If it was my area I wouldn't risk bad rep from promoting bad games and AoS atm is bad and might get old fast.

 judgedoug wrote:

Warhammer 8 was the worst ruleset ever written by mankind and dumping it was the best move GW has ever made.

Objection!

40k 7th ed exists.


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Plumbumbarum wrote:

 oni wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:
Dear Lord, not more Sigmar!

My AOS sales in my store have dropped to zero. People were somewhat excited about new sculpts for existing races, but not an endless tide of sigmar. I'm down to ordering 1 of a new release, and sometimes that sits. I used to order 8-16 of all WFB releases and 30 armie books. How the mighty have fallen.

I so miss that 40k game they used to make. That little sucker was hot, you'd get 6 kits and a new codex in 3 weeks and they pumped them out fast. Wonder if GW will ever remember they made a game that sells?

If I might chime in with a theory... I would argue that the 'local community' shot itself in the foot. Rather than embracing the new AoS game for what it is the 'local community' tried to mold AoS into something it was never meant to be... An updated WFB. When the 'local community' didn't like the abomination they created, interest faltered.

My recommendation to you Mikhaila, to reinvigorate interest in AoS, would be to try and change the manner in which the 'local community' views AoS. Try embracing the game as it is, don't change it and you may be surprised to find avenues of thinking / game play that you.hadn't considered previously.

Is it FLGSs job to reinvigorate interest though or rather GWs? Isn't it better to find out what people want instead of trying to push trash they don't buy. If it was my area I wouldn't risk bad rep from promoting bad games and AoS atm is bad and might get old fast.

A very good point, GW can't gak all over FLGSs and then expect them to do the heavy lifting to get people interested in the game and build a community for them.

 Talys wrote:

Price per model, the prices are not really much different than Wyrd and PP (or CB infinity models) -- which is to say, a lot, if you want to own a lot of models; a little less, of you just want to own enough to play the games.

While this is true on a per model basis, the games are different and "recommend" different amounts of models to play standard games. Infinity and Malifaux forces only require about 10-20 models to play the game at their recommended tournament sizes. AoS, per what GW continues to put in publications, recommends playing 100 models. Even if the prices per model are the same, that still makes AoS 5 times more expensive to play the game "as it was designed to be played."

 mikhaila wrote:
Part of what is going on is simply not enough "news and rumors". With enough to talk about, we don't spin through page after page of discussion with nothing really being said. ...

This release is just odd. We should know something about an upcoming release schedule of other races. There should be some hints or pictures of greens, or something that isn't Sigmarites. It feels like nothing is in the pipeline, and they are stretching it out.
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Hope I'm wrong, and in the next year we see at least 2-3 of the fantasy races get new models. Pray that this is so.

The only hope we have here is that there have been no pictures of Dwarfs or Elves in any of the AoS material so far (unless they're in Ghal Maraz book - I've stopped buying Aos stuff) This may imply new ranges of models in the future.

HobbyBox wrote:

 Talys wrote:

Price per model, the prices are not really much different than Wyrd and PP (or CB infinity models) -- which is to say, a lot, if you want to own a lot of models; a little less, of you just want to own enough to play the games.

While this is true on a per model basis, the games are different and "recommend" different amounts of models to play standard games. Infinity and Malifaux forces only require about 10-20 models to play the game at their recommended tournament sizes. AoS, per what GW continues to put in publications, recommends playing 100 models. Even if the prices per model are the same, that still makes AoS 5 times more expensive to play the game "as it was designed to be played."

Where have they actually recommended playing with 100 models? Apart from the line in the rules which says something like "a game with 100 models will probably last an evening".