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Ashitaka wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:
Part of what is going on is simply not enough "news and rumors". With enough to talk about, we don't spin through page after page of discussion with nothing really being said. ...

This release is just odd. We should know something about an upcoming release schedule of other races. There should be some hints or pictures of greens, or something that isn't Sigmarites. It feels like nothing is in the pipeline, and they are stretching it out.
...

Hope I'm wrong, and in the next year we see at least 2-3 of the fantasy races get new models. Pray that this is so.

The only hope we have here is that there have been no pictures of Dwarfs or Elves in any of the AoS material so far (unless they're in Ghal Maraz book - I've stopped buying Aos stuff) This may imply new ranges of models in the future.

While Im in no position to make demands on rumor mongers, I think its fair to say AoS has been a real fiasko for the rumor bussiness. To little, To late. And Im not counting that someone got hold of a WD early.
How the heck can a humongus khorne fortress sneak up on the gaming comunity?

 -Shrike- wrote:

HobbyBox wrote:

 Talys wrote:

Price per model, the prices are not really much different than Wyrd and PP (or CB infinity models) -- which is to say, a lot, if you want to own a lot of models; a little less, of you just want to own enough to play the games.

While this is true on a per model basis, the games are different and "recommend" different amounts of models to play standard games. Infinity and Malifaux forces only require about 10-20 models to play the game at their recommended tournament sizes. AoS, per what GW continues to put in publications, recommends playing 100 models. Even if the prices per model are the same, that still makes AoS 5 times more expensive to play the game "as it was designed to be played."

Where have they actually recommended playing with 100 models? Apart from the line in the rules which says something like "a game with 100 models will probably last an evening".

As I've said before, there's a reason that sentence wasn't "a game with 20 models will last about 45 minutes."

I really, really hope this is the last of the sigma rite releases, it's been dragged out far to long for a brand new faction.

I'd imagine we still need to see a relicator and guy on dracoth

I'd love to see a model in the Sigmarite - is that what they're called? I forget - line that looks different from the first guy I got free with White Dwarf. Even slightly. My interest would have sustained past week 1 had there been anything meaningfully different or even a decent kit.

This release style is pretty dumb, to me. Stormcast fans arent gonna be able to drop enough money at a time to make ths one faction only thing actually profitable compared to say, squirting out a tzeentch daemonkin book and a couple kits as well as a tau book and a couple kits in between. A week of releases would keep the 40k players interested and checking the site, which has the added possibility that they might check in and like some AOS models. I know ive stopped going there altogether after the third release of stormcast only stuff.

At this point, im getting ticked off waiting, and its negatively coloured AOS for me slightly as well as taking active interest from 40k. I even come to dakka less because there isn't any rumours for 40k and hasnt been anything solid for a good while.

I like the stormcast models and all, but at this point i couldn't buy any based on principle... I feel pidgeonholed into consuming stormcast eternals. And that makes me want to refuse to do so.

I've had money set aside for tzeentch daemonkin, or any 40k chaos release. I would have bought some AOS khorne if it was useable in 40k for anything other than conversion fodder.

Im just seeing less and less value in stormcast eternals every time a new gold dude gets thrown out to the masses. They need to break it up with some 40k. Don't let the real cash cow get stagnant, especially in the middle of updating codicies to 7.5 level.

Actually there have been several good kits for stormcast eternals. I recently got my celebrant prime. I thought he looked a bit 'blah' in the online and white dwarf pics. After assembling him, I have to say I am VERY impressed with the model. The model itself is actually pretty dynamic, and loaded with details. It is the coolest model in my collection as of now (and I have over 45,000 points of dark angels, carcharodons, chaos marines, tau, grey knights, chaos demons, forgeworld stuff, hh, and more from the past 16 years).

From what i can tell, the paint schemes are what make them look bad. When painted silver or any non metallic color, they look great, almost better than a majority of space marines.

AncientSkarbrand wrote:
At this point, im getting ticked off waiting, and its negatively coloured AOS for me slightly as well as taking active interest from 40k. I even come to dakka less because there isn't any rumours for 40k and hasnt been anything solid for a good while.

I like the stormcast models and all, but at this point i couldn't buy any based on principle... I feel pidgeonholed into consuming stormcast eternals. And that makes me want to refuse to do so.

I know where you're coming from. For me, 40k > any type of fantasy, too. It has been nice to be able to catch up on some 40k models, though, and the release cadence for the first half of the year was something fierce (not that I'm complaining, but some people were). I'm sure Chaos love is coming soon.

I hope they keep putting out Sigmar stuff. AOS got me back into GW products because how great it all looks. Would be great to see some form of calvary and a mage of sorts. then I hope they go into more Khorne bloodbound stuff

they really should just finish out the rest of the year with fantasy.

To be fair, they churned out 9 Codexes between January and June of this year only.

That is the equivalent to the entirety of 5th Edition, all four years of it.

If that isn't enough for people to work with for 3 or 4 months of releases for another game, without getting bored, what would be? Have you all truly already build, painted, tested, refined and mastered Ad-Mech, Harlequin, Daemonkin, new-Knight, etc.. armies?

Wonderwolf wrote:
To be fair, they churned out 9 Codexes between January and June of this year only.

That is the equivalent to the entirety of 5th Edition, all four years of it.

If that isn't enough for people to work with for 3 or 4 months of releases for another game, without getting bored, what would be? Have you all truly already build, painted, tested, refined and mastered Ad-Mech, Harlequin, Daemonkin, new-Knight, etc.. armies?

They need to balance it better. The first half of the year was just as bad as this, just 40k as opposed to AoS. They just need to mix it up more, it gives people a bit of time to catch up on things before the next release, and keeps things a bit fresher. They could also release more kits at a time, they could've done half the amount of time devoted to Sigmarites with twice the releases each time, and moved on to something else.

Games Workshop is not the behemoth it once was, so they probably can't afford to do releases like others have suggested. To be fair we've had a bucketload of goretide stuff as well as scenery in between all the sigmary bits...

We've had two units and one character for Khorne, hardly bucket loads. It's not like people are saying they need to release more, just that they could condense the release schedule down so you don't have the same army spread over a few months.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Games Workshop is not the behemoth it once was, so they probably can't afford to do releases like others have suggested. To be fair we've had a bucketload of goretide stuff as well as scenery in between all the sigmary bits...

When GW was the behemoth it once was, they did monthly releases averaging about two 40K Codexes and two WFB army books a year, plus a bit of Hobbit/LoTR. So one army ever three months, or one per game system ever six months, was about the norm.

The last 40K Codex, Dark Angels, is under 3 months old.

In 3rd, 4th and 5th, a six month wait between Codexes was the norm. Between 5th Edition Necrons in November 2011 and 6th Edition CSM in October 2012 was a full 11-month wait without a new Codex.

Wonderwolf wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Games Workshop is not the behemoth it once was, so they probably can't afford to do releases like others have suggested. To be fair we've had a bucketload of goretide stuff as well as scenery in between all the sigmary bits...

When GW was the behemoth it once was, they did monthly releases averaging about two 40K Codexes and two WFB army books a year, plus a bit of Hobbit/LoTR. So one army ever three months, or one per game system ever six months, was about the norm.

The last 40K Codex, Dark Angels, is under 3 months old.

In 3rd, 4th and 5th, a six month wait between Codexes was the norm. Between 5th Edition Necrons in November 2011 and 6th Edition CSM in October 2012 was a full 11-month wait without a new Codex.

Yeah, I think their release schedule is actually faster than it has ever been, it's just models are released every week now, rather than a lot of them every month. If they just alternated between 40k and AoS every week, the perception that they're not releasing as much stuff would probably disappear.

 judgedoug wrote:
I'll interject some positivity.

Warhammer 8 was the worst ruleset ever written by mankind and dumping it was the best move GW has ever made.
AoS is a breath of fresh air and it's causing me to buy GW models other than LOTR for the first time in a long time.

The two best positive side effects are:
a) Kings of War, a superior mass battles ruleset, now has a lot more attention
b) Age of Sigmar is a really, really fun skirmish game

And our local FLGS and community has embraced it, lots of AoS going on.

Just picked up a box of Judicators myself, excellent models. Gotta grab some of the newer kits next paycheck.

That maybe true, but there are a lot of skirmish games out there that look just as good and are IMHO more reasonably priced

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Games Workshop is not the behemoth it once was, so they probably can't afford to do releases like others have suggested. To be fair we've had a bucketload of goretide stuff as well as scenery in between all the sigmary bits...

I think GW has put out more new miniatures this year than the next 5 largest companies put together. I think they're trying to set a new record for rulebooks, too.

The problem isn't really that GW isn't releasing enough stuff, it's that GW isn't releasing enough of "my" stuff quickly enough

 Talys wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Games Workshop is not the behemoth it once was, so they probably can't afford to do releases like others have suggested. To be fair we've had a bucketload of goretide stuff as well as scenery in between all the sigmary bits...

I think GW has put out more new miniatures this year than the next 5 largest companies put together. I think they're trying to set a new record for rulebooks, too.

The problem isn't really that GW isn't releasing enough stuff, it's that GW isn't releasing enough of "my" stuff quickly enough

GW these days put out 1 box or blister a week, occasionally it will be a box and a blister, but occasionally it will be just a book. I think it is fair to say 1 model product a week (not including things like upgrade kits, proper model kits).

PP's August releases (models only): 6 products.


Infinity's August release: 5 products.


How many did GW release in August, I legitimately can't find a rumor summary and GW don't really list their releases in the same way as the others do, they just push forward that weeks release then it gets lost in the pile so to speak.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear it was even as many as 6 products, but no way in hell do GW put out more product than their next 5 competitors combined, the one product a week system just makes it feel faster but it's really only 52 products a year which is nothing special at all.

In august I believe they released:

Retributers multi kit (5 models)
lord celestant (2 model kit)
celestant prime (one large model)
Khorne character (one model)
khorne blood warriors (10 models)
khorne blood reavers (10 models)

1 large book?

The chaos castle pieces (multiple sets, didnt want to count the different kits)
Dragonfate Dias
numinous occulum

Multiple new releases/re-releases which should count as it costs a company $ to repackage and add in different bases

Multiple new base kits

And more..


Looks like gw still takes the cake with releases!! There may be a couple more released in august but I couldnt remember which ones were actually released at the end of july/august.

Naysayers will naysay!!

So that's still 6 whole products plus terrain (which is points for them I'll admit).

Against PPs 6 and CBs 5.

No one is saying GW's release schedule is slow, but it's grossly inaccurate to try and paint them as some juggernaut of the industry who's release pace outstrips their competitors by any significant margin.

29 models (some could be built several ways that make them look completely different, in essence 49 models) in high quality plastic vs 12 ok models or 10 corvus belli models (who also make super good quality models, love their metals).

Don't forget their other boxed set releases or reboxes... they actually released a ton.

In a years span their releases are far more than any other comparable company. 9 40k codex books so far this year, countless new models, two new factions, a new box game, a rerelease of space hulk, and a new game system (aos).

Number of individual models is meaningless, as is the subjective quality of said models. The number ofNEW RELEASES from GW, in model terms, is not that much higher than any other company. Certainly not larger than "the next 5 largest companies put together".

Frankly GW is probably at least 10 times larger than the next rival so they ought to release at least 10 times more stuff though I am not counting.

But this is getting off the point. The thread is supposed to be about new releases for AoS.

I honestly can't understand why they did this to fantasy. The UA or the standard and musician released separately look like they think they can go the war machine /pp and bring out whatever they want.

Just seems we are getting less now if every army takes this route.

It's like they have gone back to the 90s release schedule ( something each week ) which is fine but considering they are so large they could release things for several games each week.

In the meantime I reminded myself where I've seen the Khorgotath before:

http://theartmad.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Winnie-The-Pooh-Backson-4.jpg

http://eltallerdeyila.blogspot.com.es/2015/09/semigrifos-montados-por-principies.html


has some pics from, one thinks, WD

So a load of AOS kitbashes rather than any new releases this week?

The Demigryph Dark Elves look very cool though.

OMG, what have they done to my Ogres....seriously, freddy kreuger ogres? I hope those are conversions and not new models.

I would be very surprised if those were new models, seeing as they're in a Death army(the Empire models have been kitbashed with Zombies).