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Okay dudes, it's time to be honest (don't worry, I am not a bleeding heart liberal, just a guy who's really lost). I started 40k in 2012, near the end of the 5th edition. Since then, we have seen many many changes. Many changes. I've played CSM, Dark Angels, Necrons, Nids, SM, Tau, and now I have a small force of Khorne Daemonkin. Thing is, I am not sure which army represent me best anymore. Thing is, it is also way more costly to swap from one army to another with all the GW prices hikes, the devaluation of the dollar and all the wonderful ups and downs of the global economy. So I am kinda lost. Which army represent me best ? How can I find ? Am I to become another one of the Vanilla SM players because generic is better than uniqueness. How can I find myself again after all these changes made to how the game is played ?

What kind of a player are you?

Adaptable? Aggressive? Defensive?

That's the important question.

I think I'd prefer to be aggressive. I hate to be on the defensive side.

Look deep into your self and find your spirit animal.

Then ask him what he likes to play.





Or simply.

a few questions.

what do you value most: Winning. the models. or the fluff

Then from that point you can list out which army fits your needs the most.

Do you prefer numbers or small elite units?

Do you prefer range or melee superiority?

Do you with to fight for or against the Emperor?

Rank the order in which you feel best suits you: speed, durability, damage.

Do you wish to ignore, dabble, or master the powers of the warp?

How important is winning to you?

I've painted my lot of awesome models (I've also played DE). I think I'm more into winning now, especially considering how most players are power gamers (once, an ork player brought a Gorkanaut (or was it the other ?) to a 1000 pts game. That guy was an a...

Well, from what ive heard Khorne Damonkin are pretty agressive, also have the added bonus of functioning in two other books (CSM and Chaos Daemons)

 Warzoner wrote:
I think I'd prefer to be aggressive. I hate to be on the defensive side.

Then you want an army that focusses on short-range and close combat weapons, overwhelming force, and perhaps sacrifices a little on the protection front. Armies like Sisters, Ravenwing (although they don't really sacrifice much), Saim Hann, Iyanden, Black Templars and Khorne or Slaanesh Marines can fill this role.

Armies to stay away from would be Tau, Tzeentch, Guard (although assault guard can be pretty fun, they won't win you much), Ultramarines...

 Konrax wrote:
Do you prefer numbers or small elite units?

Do you prefer range or melee superiority?

Do you with to fight for or against the Emperor?

Rank the order in which you feel best suits you: speed, durability, damage.

Do you wish to ignore, dabble, or master the powers of the warp?

How important is winning to you?

Range.

Not really sure what my thought about a corpse are.

Damage, durability, speed.

I think I need to dabble a little in the warp, at least to defend myself against other psykers.

Winning, would be a change for once.


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 Grimmor wrote:
Well, from what ive heard Khorne Damonkin are pretty agressive, also have the added bonus of functioning in two other books (CSM and Chaos Daemons)

In my experience, KDK aren't really cost effective in regards to points.

I would recommend Eldar, they fit a lot of your requirements, they're very fast, and pack a heck of a punch at range. They do very well in the psychic phase and you can get away with just having a farseer or two to help you. They're also currently one of the top armies so you can win. The only thing they might lack is durability, but they also have a variety of nasty tricks to avoid getting hit in the first place.

It sounds like you want to run either Sisters with Inquisition (if you can stomach the corpse emperor) or Eldar with a focus on Aspects (Beil-tann).

War Kitten wrote:
I would recommend Eldar, they fit a lot of your requirements, they're very fast, and pack a heck of a punch at range. They do very well in the psychic phase and you can get away with just having a farseer or two to help you. They're also currently one of the top armies so you can win. The only thing they might lack is durability, but they also have a variety of nasty tricks to avoid getting hit in the first place.

No.
Play dark eldar. They are a lit of everything but not annoying like eldar. And you'll have friends

Based on what you said necrons sound like the best fit over all.

They can at least defend themselves against psychers but for the most part they match your play style the most based on your answers.

 Warzoner wrote:
I've painted my lot of awesome models (I've also played DE). I think I'm more into winning now, especially considering how most players are power gamers (once, an ork player brought a Gorkanaut (or was it the other ?) to a 1000 pts game. That guy was an a...

Wat. >.> You think an orkanaught at 1k is cheesy? I'd hate to see your reaction to some actual soul-eating lists.

niv-mizzet wrote:

 Warzoner wrote:
I've painted my lot of awesome models (I've also played DE). I think I'm more into winning now, especially considering how most players are power gamers (once, an ork player brought a Gorkanaut (or was it the other ?) to a 1000 pts game. That guy was an a...

Wat. >.> You think an orkanaught at 1k is cheesy? I'd hate to see your reaction to some actual soul-eating lists.

3 Wraithknights anyone?

Clarity is found through introspection.









You're an Ork player - trust me on this one.

7 armies in 3 years.... SLOOOOOW DOOOOOOWN.
An army every 6 months is a bit much, especially over 3 editions.
Sounds like you have a serious case of hobby ADD.

Pick any one of them and stick to it.
Read all of the available fluff, previous codexes, black library books.
Get the army painted and modeled to the best of your ability.
Go to the lgs frequently for some games.
Go to some tournaments.
Start a campaign.
Build some themed terrain.
Play some apocalypse.
Write some fluff.

If you're doing this right it should take a few years and you'll have a far better connection with the army.
This level of commitment and investment will really help you to enjoy any one of those armies to it's fullest.

 Alex Kolodotschko wrote:
7 armies in 3 years.... SLOOOOOW DOOOOOOWN.
An army every 6 months is a bit much, especially over 3 editions

....

I'd you're doing this right it should take a few years and you'll have a far better connection with the army.
This level of commitment and investment will really help you to enjoy any one of those armies to it's fullest.

This ^
Take one of your armies, and ally it with another. See what you can do that way.
Allies don't need a good match on the matrix to work, if you keep them split up. Send 1 army up the field, and use the other to support them.
This way, you get to focus on a core of the main army, so you can tweak it.
As you do that, use the ally to fill in any gaps. Maybe swap the ally for another army, and see how that works.
Then go back to the main army.

I'm not saying you don''t know how to play, or that you don't know your stuff, but I find that looking at it in a different way helps lots.

 Alex Kolodotschko wrote:
7 armies in 3 years.... SLOOOOOW DOOOOOOWN.
An army every 6 months is a bit much, especially over 3 editions.

Actually you mentioned that you had also played Dark Eldar so that's 8 armies in 3 years.
Or one every 4.5 months.
Waaaaay too fast, take some time to smell the roses.

Your hunt for a 'winning' army is folly imo, all roads will eventually (or very quickly) lead to an off the peg netlist.
Even if you have picked a sub optimal codex it is very much possible to gain satisfaction from being the best in class, writing a 'fresh' list that unexpectedly punches above it's weight or from managing to do a bit of giant slaying at tournaments.
One of my more fun tournament experiences was beating two near identical CD Fateweaver flying circus, screamerstar lists with a very sub optimal tyranid force (Single Dakka Flyrant, 3 screamer killers and 3 pyrovores in pod took up a lot of my points).
Experience with an army can often overcome someone inexperienced playing their brand new flavour of the month.

I used to be like that as well - started with CSM back in 2012, bought some Daemons for allies, started Dark Angels in 2013 and even a bit of SM in 2014... luckly I've decided to use psykers in 30k and embraced the Greater Good.

Slowly I'm selling the other things I have and focusing only in Tau (and, in the future, some Necrons for melee help).

A tip: play with the rules, using proxies, until you find an army you're happy with. The models are expensive.

Okay, ive worked it out for you.
You're either very rude or suffering from hobby ADD.
You've had a few days to respond to the last 10 posters and have since decided to go elsewhere and post about Tau, CSM and Daemonkin armies. You are lost.
Your 179 threads started and 272 posts is very telling.
Best of luck with your life and happy hobbying, at least we tried.

 Warzoner wrote:

 Konrax wrote:
Do you prefer numbers or small elite units?

Do you prefer range or melee superiority?

Do you with to fight for or against the Emperor?

Rank the order in which you feel best suits you: speed, durability, damage.

Do you wish to ignore, dabble, or master the powers of the warp?

How important is winning to you?

Judging by your responses here, I would go against the grain and play Chaos thousand sons.

Range. Access to IA13 units (rapier weapon batteries, Deimos pattern tank destroyers, relic sicarian tanks) and of course heldrakes

Not really sure what my thought about a corpse are. Well, it's a corpse.....nuff said. lol

Damage, durability, speed. AP3 bolters, 3+ 4++, heldrakes. lol

I think I need to dabble a little in the warp, at least to defend myself against other psykers. How about a psyker built into every squad....

Winning, would be a change for once. This one is a little tricky, but when the Tzeentch Deamonkin book drops, I think you'll be in good shape.


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 Grimmor wrote:
Well, from what ive heard Khorne Damonkin are pretty agressive, also have the added bonus of functioning in two other books (CSM and Chaos Daemons)

In my experience, KDK aren't really cost effective in regards to points.

 Warzoner wrote:
I've painted my lot of awesome models (I've also played DE). I think I'm more into winning now, especially considering how most players are power gamers (once, an ork player brought a Gorkanaut (or was it the other ?) to a 1000 pts game. That guy was an a...

'Nauts make you a power gamer? Last I checked, opponents LOOOOVE it when I sink points into my 'Naught due to how sub-optimal they are. It's just a basic walker with 13 armor on the front. It's not like he brought a superheavy Knight or something.

 Desubot wrote:
Look deep into your self and find your spirit animal.

Then ask him what he likes to play.

Then promptly ignore them and pick Space Marines anyway, since that's the only army you can play that won't guarantee you'll get a ton of hate for it.

Or Orks I guess, the only xenos that are considered "acceptable" because they're complete garbage and easy to steamroll most of the time.

You sound like someone who would field a force consisting of a lot of allies.


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You sound like someone who would field a force consisting of a lot of allies.

You don't know what army suits you best so you ask a bunch of random strangers who know nothing about you what army suits you the best. That about sums it up?

You want to win? Look up tournament lists and just take that list to your FLGS and just go down the list.
You want the army that "represents you best"? The only person who can tell what you like the most is... well you.

 Alex Kolodotschko wrote:

You've had a few days to respond to the last 10 posters and have since decided to go elsewhere and post about Tau, CSM and Daemonkin armies. You are lost.
Your 179 threads started and 272 posts is very telling.
Best of luck with your life and happy hobbying, at least we tried.

Almost all of those posts are in the Lists forum, or the Swap Shop.
I also doubt we'll see any feedback.

 Warzoner wrote:
the devaluation of the dollar

The what?

I wrote this up on choosing a starting army

It basically boils down to

1 - fluff
2 - aesthetics
3 - playstyle
4 - Other (Winning, your own skills being able to do an army justice, cost etc.)