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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/27 22:40:45
Subject: Aaaaand the army screws the pooch again
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Fixture of Dakka
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Iron_Captain wrote: Ghazkuul wrote: redleger wrote:Berghdal was recovered illegally. I don't see anyone actually covering that. But yes, his recovery should have happened, even if to charge him, however not in the fashion it happened. Although the administration did screw the pooch there, just so we could court martial him. He will probably just get a BCD and sent on his merry way. Good Riddance.
Jihadin, after reading many posts from you I am assuming you were either a BDE or above CSM or a BN or above Commander. Possibly of a PSB or STB. Or you were a Specialist.
Would you have relieved this NCO if you were his commander? There are many way to admonish an NCO without a relief for cause.
My only hope is that this SFC had over 18 so he could atleast be in the safe zone and still retire. Pushing a Local National is not, based on the many things I have seen, reason for relief for cause. HItting, Torture, or even allowing harm to a local through inaction is however. Unfortunatly dancing boys are very common. I spent 6 months with the ANA and I had to remove a few ANA Soldiers from the class because they kept bring in phones, which was not allowed, just so they could keep looking at the videos they had saved of dancing boys. Nothing much I could do about it except spit in disgust.
Nothing like Bacha Bazi to turn your stomach and make you want to nuke the whole country and just label it a lost cause.
Child abuse is bad, but nuking an entire country is worse.
The thing that is really bad is the fact that this child abuse is institutionalized. I'm sure talk of nukes in this regard is methphoric. I have to wonder to what degree this practice has poisoned the different generations of Afghans through the centuries.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/27 23:35:20
Subject: Aaaaand the army screws the pooch again
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Iron_Captain wrote: Ghazkuul wrote: redleger wrote:Berghdal was recovered illegally. I don't see anyone actually covering that. But yes, his recovery should have happened, even if to charge him, however not in the fashion it happened. Although the administration did screw the pooch there, just so we could court martial him. He will probably just get a BCD and sent on his merry way. Good Riddance.
Jihadin, after reading many posts from you I am assuming you were either a BDE or above CSM or a BN or above Commander. Possibly of a PSB or STB. Or you were a Specialist.
Would you have relieved this NCO if you were his commander? There are many way to admonish an NCO without a relief for cause.
My only hope is that this SFC had over 18 so he could atleast be in the safe zone and still retire. Pushing a Local National is not, based on the many things I have seen, reason for relief for cause. HItting, Torture, or even allowing harm to a local through inaction is however. Unfortunatly dancing boys are very common. I spent 6 months with the ANA and I had to remove a few ANA Soldiers from the class because they kept bring in phones, which was not allowed, just so they could keep looking at the videos they had saved of dancing boys. Nothing much I could do about it except spit in disgust.
Nothing like Bacha Bazi to turn your stomach and make you want to nuke the whole country and just label it a lost cause.
Child abuse is bad, but nuking an entire country is worse.
Having been forced to watch my fair share of human rights violations for a long period of time ranging from Child Sex trafficking to Beastiality (however you spell it) and lets not forget the wonderful rules regarding woman, She can read? quick kill her. Yeah your right nuking a country is a bit extreme. we should first evacuate those who don't want to die and will renounce pretty much 2/3rds of their culture. (Pretty much everything except Pashtunwali is garbage). then we can nuke them
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/27 23:48:22
Subject: Re:DOD accused of instructing military to ignore Afghan child sexual abuse
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AlmightyWalrus wrote:Since when is al-Qaeda synonymous with Afghanistan? Yes, the Taliban government provided shelter to bin Ladin and his ilk, but I'm pretty sure it was the US that attacked Afghanistan. I'm not going to pretend that they didn't have it coming, but technically the nation of Afghanistan didn't attack the US.
Well, if you are framing it like that, you could just as easily say that technically, the US didn't attack the nation of Afghanistan, either.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/28 00:09:19
Subject: Re:DOD accused of instructing military to ignore Afghan child sexual abuse
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And all you people that say that pedophilia could never be accepted in a 'civilized" country..I give you afghanistan as exhibit A. Ancient Greece as exhibit B. Now that we have opened the door on gay marriage...i give it 20 to 50 years before we start seeing this in AMERICA.
Thankx Obama.
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p,s, the thanx is intended as sacrcasm..for the people that lack the ability to understand the meme
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/28 00:30:14
Subject: Re:DOD accused of instructing military to ignore Afghan child sexual abuse
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generalgrog wrote:And all you people that say that pedophilia could never be accepted in a 'civilized" country..I give you afghanistan as exhibit A. Ancient Greece as exhibit B. Now that we have opened the door on gay marriage...i give it 20 to 50 years before we start seeing this in AMERICA.
Thankx Obama.
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p,s, the thanx is intended as sacrcasm..for the people that lack the ability to understand the meme
Are you calling Afghanastan civilized?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/28 01:10:04
Subject: Re:DOD accused of instructing military to ignore Afghan child sexual abuse
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Typical liberal tagline:
"It's their culture, and it deserves respect."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/28 01:14:03
Subject: Re:DOD accused of instructing military to ignore Afghan child sexual abuse
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Edit: Eh, feth it, it's not worth it.
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote:Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/28 01:26:36
Subject: Re:DOD accused of instructing military to ignore Afghan child sexual abuse
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whembly wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote:Since when is al-Qaeda synonymous with Afghanistan? Yes, the Taliban government provided shelter to bin Ladin and his ilk, but I'm pretty sure it was the US that attacked Afghanistan. I'm not going to pretend that they didn't have it coming, but technically the nation of Afghanistan didn't attack the US.
Um... the Taliban was the Afghan government. o.O
I think the distinction is that the Taliban and Al-Qaeda are not the same thing. They had similar ideologies, and the Taliban provided shelter to Al-Qaeda, but Taliban is not a synonym for Al-Qaeda is I think the point that was being made. Al-Qaeda was an autonomous group comprised mostly of foreigners (and run largely by Saudi's) with aspirations of global Jihad, while the Taliban were an ethno-political group primarily interested in just ruling Afghanistan (albeit horrifyingly). Thus, the Taliban were not the ones that attacked the US, which is technically correct.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/28 01:37:25
Subject: DOD accused of instructing military to ignore Afghan child sexual abuse
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Fixture of Dakka
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It is interesting to note that the practice carried a death penalty as far as the Taliban was concerned.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/28 02:23:56
Subject: Re:DOD accused of instructing military to ignore Afghan child sexual abuse
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Conservatives also pull that line when it suites them. For example: (drum roll) gun rights! Are often defended by initiating calls to culture, and cultural icons like the bill of rights.
I recall a documentary about the dancing boys in Afghanistan, the climax of which was a policeman basically saying that sodomising boys was their god given right (after all, if god had wanted men to sleep with women, he wouldn't have made women unclean, right?).
If you're going to argue that there is some idea of right and wrong that transcends culture, I'd say that door swings both ways.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/28 02:37:51
Subject: Re:DOD accused of instructing military to ignore Afghan child sexual abuse
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Smacks wrote:Conservatives also pull that line when it suites them. For example: (drum roll) gun rights! Are often defended by initiating calls to culture, and cultural icons like the bill of rights.
I recall a documentary about the dancing boys in Afghanistan, the climax of which was a policeman basically saying that sodomising boys was their god given right (after all, if god had wanted men to sleep with women, he wouldn't have made women unclean, right?).
If you're going to argue that there is some idea of right and wrong that transcends culture, I'd say that door swings both ways.
Did that documentary talk about the extent this goes on over there and if it goes on in other countries in the region? There are some seriously messed up people over there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/28 03:01:36
Subject: Re:DOD accused of instructing military to ignore Afghan child sexual abuse
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I think it's called "This Is What Winning Looks Like", it's available on Youtube (at least in the UK).
I'm not trying to defend it. On the contrary, as someone who is very liberal, I find the assertion that liberals "typically" advocate "respecting" child abuse very offensive. Though child abuse has been prevalent in many western institutions, such as the catholic church, the BBC, boarding schools etc... There are really messed up people here too. It's hardly justification for military intervention.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/28 03:05:48
Subject: Re:DOD accused of instructing military to ignore Afghan child sexual abuse
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Fixture of Dakka
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Smacks wrote:I think it's called "This Is What Winning Looks Like", it's available on Youtube (at least in the UK).
I'm not trying to defend it. On the contrary, as someone who is very liberal, I find the assertion that liberals "typically" advocate "respecting" child abuse very offensive. Though child abuse has been prevalent in many western institutions, such as the catholic church, the BBC, boarding schools etc... There are really messed up people here too. It's hardly justification for military intervention.
I seriously doubt anyone on these forums, no matter their politics defends this. I have some seriously hostile disagreements at times with people here, but at heart, there is no one here I think that doesn't find the practice repugnant.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/28 03:08:56
Subject: Re:DOD accused of instructing military to ignore Afghan child sexual abuse
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The Bill of Rights is more than a cultural icon, it's the law of the land here.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/28 03:22:54
Subject: DOD accused of instructing military to ignore Afghan child sexual abuse
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Fixture of Dakka
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From the Wiki link I posted:
In a 2013 Vice Media, Inc. documentary titled "This Is What Winning Looks Like", British independent film-maker Ben Anderson describes the systematic kidnapping, sexual enslavement and murder of young men and boys by local security forces in the Afghan city of Sangin. The film depicts several scenes of Anderson along with American military personal describing how difficult it is to work with the Afghan police considering the blatant molestation and rape of local youth. The documentary also contains footage of an American military advisor confronting the then acting Police Chief on the abuse after a young boy is shot in the leg after trying to escape a police barrack. When the marine suggests that the barracks be searched for children, and that any policeman found to be engaged in pedophilia be arrested and jailed, the high-ranking officer insists what occurs between the security forces and the boys is consensual, saying "[the boys] like being there and giving their butts at night." He went on to claim that this practice was historic and necessary. "If [my commanders] don't feth the butts of those boys, what should they feth? The @&&@$?-/ of their own Grandmothers?"[30]
"In 2015, The New York Times reported that U.S. soldiers serving in Afghanistan were instructed by their commanders to ignore child sexual abuse being carried out by Afghan security forces, except "when rape is being used as a weapon of war." American soldiers have been instructed not to intervene — in some cases, not even when their Afghan allies have abused boys on military bases, according to interviews and court records. But the U.S. soldiers have been increasingly troubled that instead of weeding out pedophiles, the US military was arming them against the Taliban and placing them as the police commanders of villages — and doing little when they began abusing children. One U.S. Army Captain, Dan Quinn, became distressed after hearing cries of young boys being raped by Afghan officers. He then intervened and beat up the Afghan officer who was responsible. After the beating, the US Army relieved the Captain of his command and pulled him from Afghanistan. He has since left the military."
I would have gone bat gak crazy over there with this happening.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/28 03:30:54
Subject: Re:DOD accused of instructing military to ignore Afghan child sexual abuse
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Hordini wrote:The Bill of Rights is more than a cultural icon, it's the law of the land here.
Law is a subset of culture. Afghanistan is rather a lawless place at the moment, but when you have high ranking police officers advocating child sex abuse by security officers (see Relapse's quote above), it could be argued it is the law of the land there too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/28 03:52:11
Subject: Re:DOD accused of instructing military to ignore Afghan child sexual abuse
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Smacks wrote: Hordini wrote:The Bill of Rights is more than a cultural icon, it's the law of the land here.
Law is a subset of culture.
Afghanistan is rather a lawless place at the moment, but when you have high ranking police officers advocating child sex abuse by security officers (see Relapse's quote above), it could be argued it is the law of the land there too.
Well, not if it's against the law. It could be a cultural norm and still be illegal.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/28 08:39:25
Subject: Re:DOD accused of instructing military to ignore Afghan child sexual abuse
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Vaktathi wrote: whembly wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote:Since when is al-Qaeda synonymous with Afghanistan? Yes, the Taliban government provided shelter to bin Ladin and his ilk, but I'm pretty sure it was the US that attacked Afghanistan. I'm not going to pretend that they didn't have it coming, but technically the nation of Afghanistan didn't attack the US.
Um... the Taliban was the Afghan government. o.O
I think the distinction is that the Taliban and Al-Qaeda are not the same thing. They had similar ideologies, and the Taliban provided shelter to Al-Qaeda, but Taliban is not a synonym for Al-Qaeda is I think the point that was being made. Al-Qaeda was an autonomous group comprised mostly of foreigners (and run largely by Saudi's) with aspirations of global Jihad, while the Taliban were an ethno-political group primarily interested in just ruling Afghanistan (albeit horrifyingly). Thus, the Taliban were not the ones that attacked the US, which is technically correct.
Exactly. The fact that I (and you) even had to spell that out is a bit disturbing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/28 10:53:11
Subject: DOD accused of instructing military to ignore Afghan child sexual abuse
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
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Hordini wrote: lord_blackfang wrote:No, I'm pretty sure I got it right. Maybe lay off the manifest destiny a little, it's hampering your objectivity.
You must have skipped the 9/11 chapter in whatever book you read about the War in Afghanistan.
Do you think Poland started WWII as well?
If Poland didn't go around wearing such short skirts it wouldn't have caught Nazi Germany and the USSR's attention. Poland was just asking for it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/28 12:17:25
Subject: DOD accused of instructing military to ignore Afghan child sexual abuse
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Frazzled wrote:If Poland didn't go around wearing such short skirts it wouldn't have caught Nazi Germany and the USSR's attention. Poland was just asking for it.
Funnily enough, it was actually the Germans who were dressing up in short skirts and pretending to be Polish, Poland was actually wearing cargo pants and a turtle-neck the whole time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/29 18:35:15
Subject: DOD accused of instructing military to ignore Afghan child sexual abuse
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Hordini wrote: lord_blackfang wrote:No, I'm pretty sure I got it right. Maybe lay off the manifest destiny a little, it's hampering your objectivity.
You must have skipped the 9/11 chapter in whatever book you read about the War in Afghanistan.
Do you think Poland started WWII as well?
It's funny because your analogy actually says exactly the opposite of what you're trying to say.
I'm sure you think Iraq was just about to launch invisible nukes at the US, too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/29 19:36:21
Subject: Re:DOD accused of instructing military to ignore Afghan child sexual abuse
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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AlmightyWalrus wrote: Vaktathi wrote: whembly wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote:Since when is al-Qaeda synonymous with Afghanistan? Yes, the Taliban government provided shelter to bin Ladin and his ilk, but I'm pretty sure it was the US that attacked Afghanistan. I'm not going to pretend that they didn't have it coming, but technically the nation of Afghanistan didn't attack the US.
Um... the Taliban was the Afghan government. o.O
I think the distinction is that the Taliban and Al-Qaeda are not the same thing. They had similar ideologies, and the Taliban provided shelter to Al-Qaeda, but Taliban is not a synonym for Al-Qaeda is I think the point that was being made. Al-Qaeda was an autonomous group comprised mostly of foreigners (and run largely by Saudi's) with aspirations of global Jihad, while the Taliban were an ethno-political group primarily interested in just ruling Afghanistan (albeit horrifyingly). Thus, the Taliban were not the ones that attacked the US, which is technically correct.
Exactly. The fact that I (and you) even had to spell that out is a bit disturbing.
Are you really advocating that the US should NOT have responded to 9/11??
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/29 20:04:40
Subject: Re:DOD accused of instructing military to ignore Afghan child sexual abuse
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whembly wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote: Vaktathi wrote: whembly wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote:Since when is al-Qaeda synonymous with Afghanistan? Yes, the Taliban government provided shelter to bin Ladin and his ilk, but I'm pretty sure it was the US that attacked Afghanistan. I'm not going to pretend that they didn't have it coming, but technically the nation of Afghanistan didn't attack the US.
Um... the Taliban was the Afghan government. o.O
I think the distinction is that the Taliban and Al-Qaeda are not the same thing. They had similar ideologies, and the Taliban provided shelter to Al-Qaeda, but Taliban is not a synonym for Al-Qaeda is I think the point that was being made. Al-Qaeda was an autonomous group comprised mostly of foreigners (and run largely by Saudi's) with aspirations of global Jihad, while the Taliban were an ethno-political group primarily interested in just ruling Afghanistan (albeit horrifyingly). Thus, the Taliban were not the ones that attacked the US, which is technically correct.
Exactly. The fact that I (and you) even had to spell that out is a bit disturbing.
Are you really advocating that the US should NOT have responded to 9/11??
Certainly not in the manner which it did. I mean, everyone knows the War on Terror has been a colossal clusterfeth from the get go, right?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/29 22:48:23
Subject: DOD accused of instructing military to ignore Afghan child sexual abuse
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The whole concept of "they might be baby rapists, but they're our baby rapists" , turns my stomach.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/30 00:05:04
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lord_blackfang wrote: Hordini wrote: lord_blackfang wrote:No, I'm pretty sure I got it right. Maybe lay off the manifest destiny a little, it's hampering your objectivity.
You must have skipped the 9/11 chapter in whatever book you read about the War in Afghanistan.
Do you think Poland started WWII as well?
It's funny because your analogy actually says exactly the opposite of what you're trying to say.
I'm sure you think Iraq was just about to launch invisible nukes at the US, too.
Who said anything about Iraq? Moving the goalposts a bit, don't you think?
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Relapse wrote:The whole concept of "they might be baby rapists, but they're our baby rapists" , turns my stomach.
I think it's more a concept of, "If you only deal with the pure and righteous, you won't end up dealing with anybody."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/30 05:19:26
Subject: Re:DOD accused of instructing military to ignore Afghan child sexual abuse
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So we have a story that, in part, is about child sex abuse in Afghanistan. One poster uses it to claim that it’s totally going to happen in the US as well, and another poster uses it to attach liberalism. Neither point makes any sense, but they weren’t really meant to.
This is where the culture war takes you. It produces this reflexive attack mentality. Instead of thinking about this issue, what can be done and what should be done, instead people just try to attach it to their own pet issue, no matter how stupid that connection is, spew that on the keyboard and move on. The effect is that neither the poster nor the reader learns or achieves anything.
The more that kind of culture war way of thinking replaces actual discussion, the dumber discussion gets.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/30 05:47:15
Subject: Re:DOD accused of instructing military to ignore Afghan child sexual abuse
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sebster wrote:So we have a story that, in part, is about child sex abuse in Afghanistan. One poster uses it to claim that it’s totally going to happen in the US as well, and another poster uses it to attach liberalism. Neither point makes any sense, but they weren’t really meant to.
This is where the culture war takes you. It produces this reflexive attack mentality. Instead of thinking about this issue, what can be done and what should be done, instead people just try to attach it to their own pet issue, no matter how stupid that connection is, spew that on the keyboard and move on. The effect is that neither the poster nor the reader learns or achieves anything.
The more that kind of culture war way of thinking replaces actual discussion, the dumber discussion gets.
I begin to wonder how many of these suicide bombers, people attacking Afghan police, etc., have family or themselves that were victimized in this way. It's real easy to see the rage that would lead people to these actions in that light. Who gives a crap about democracy when you or your family are subject to this outrageous abuse.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/30 06:11:34
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Relapse wrote:I begin to wonder how many of these suicide bombers, people attacking Afghan police, etc., have family or themselves that were victimized in this way. It's real easy to see the rage that would lead people to these actions in that light. Who gives a crap about democracy when you or your family are subject to this outrageous abuse.
I’d never thought of it that way. Interesting. Is it widespread enough to account for a significant portion of it? Personally, I think the more direct and generally accepted conclusion is sufficient*, but I won’t dismiss this playing a factor kind of thing playing a major part without evidence of its scale and effect.
*The simple answer, to me, is that when you combine ultra-conservative religious teaching and a multi-generational warzone you’re going to get hardliners.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/02 15:52:22
Subject: Re:DOD accused of instructing military to ignore Afghan child sexual abuse
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Relapse wrote: sebster wrote:So we have a story that, in part, is about child sex abuse in Afghanistan. One poster uses it to claim that it’s totally going to happen in the US as well, and another poster uses it to attach liberalism. Neither point makes any sense, but they weren’t really meant to.
This is where the culture war takes you. It produces this reflexive attack mentality. Instead of thinking about this issue, what can be done and what should be done, instead people just try to attach it to their own pet issue, no matter how stupid that connection is, spew that on the keyboard and move on. The effect is that neither the poster nor the reader learns or achieves anything.
The more that kind of culture war way of thinking replaces actual discussion, the dumber discussion gets.
I begin to wonder how many of these suicide bombers, people attacking Afghan police, etc., have family or themselves that were victimized in this way. It's real easy to see the rage that would lead people to these actions in that light. Who gives a crap about democracy when you or your family are subject to this outrageous abuse.
Ironically most of the suicide bombers we encountered in Helmand/Nimruz province weren't even Afghans, they were Pakistani's who were brought into Afghanistan by the Taliban to kill UN forces. Pakistan has pretty much allowed the Taliban to run the area east of Afghanistan and those people want to break away from both countries and form "Pashtunistan" but neither country will let them for obvious reasons.
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I come in peace. I didn't bring artillery. But I'm pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you mess with me, I'll kill you all
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