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2015/08/26 20:55:04
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Mass effect armour is power armour, it's literally powered armour, not all power armour is like astartes power armour, it just needs to be a suit of armour with a power plant of some kind, not necessarily strength enhancing.
2015/08/26 21:12:00
Subject: Re:[Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Since when can biotics raise the gravity around them to slow down there enemies? Citation please.
There are some very powerful biotics in ME, however, a generic krogan battlemaster is nowhere near the level of the most powerful biotics. One battlemaster we do know of is Skarr, who I mentioned earlier and was killed by Sanders with the help of Anderson, IE ordinary humans. Skarr did not do any insanely powerful biotics like you describe(with no source). Not to mention Shepard, who killed a few battlemasters in the trilogy. Point is, a Space Marine who fights enemies far more dangerous than anything in ME universe, is going to have no problem with a battlemaster, hell, anything in the ME universe is laughably outmatched by it's 40k equivalent. To think otherwise is ignorant.
Also ME personal armour goes down to modern rifle rounds, trying to compare it to 40k power armour is like comparing modern body armour to an Abrams.
I have provided evidence in this thread as to why the krogan is objectively going to lose, yet no one has provide any hard evidence to counter this.
2015/08/26 21:15:02
Subject: Re:[Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Formosa wrote: Mass effect armour is power armour, it's literally powered armour, not all power armour is like astartes power armour, it just needs to be a suit of armour with a power plant of some kind, not necessarily strength enhancing.
If all it has is a battery-pack to run some sub-systems, then calling it "power armor", attempting to make the claim that it's somehow on-par with Astartes armor, is specious, at best.
It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised.
2015/08/26 22:59:40
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Formosa wrote: Mass effect armour is power armour, it's literally powered armour, not all power armour is like astartes power armour, it just needs to be a suit of armour with a power plant of some kind, not necessarily strength enhancing.
If all it has is a battery-pack to run some sub-systems, then calling it "power armor", attempting to make the claim that it's somehow on-par with Astartes armor, is specious, at best.
I made no such claim, just said that to be power armour you just need powered armour, which they have, and no, it is no where near as good as astartes power armour.
Edit: actually reading my post again, I cannot fathom how you came to your conclusion, you need to read good better
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2015/08/26 23:27:27
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Psienesis wrote: Ehm... no they aren't. Nothing in the ME Wikia provides anything about most suits of armor providing boosts to strength, though most comment that they are restrictive and clumsy, affecting accuracy with all weapons (even Light Armors are noted to only have the smallest accuracy impacts).
Mass Effect armours boost things like accuracy, melee damage, speed, etc. (well, most of them do). That's pretty much what Power Armour does, is it not?
To quote a fictional character... "Let's make this fun!"
Tactical_Spam wrote: There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
We must all join the Kroot-startes...
2015/08/26 23:30:10
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Psienesis wrote: Ehm... no they aren't. Nothing in the ME Wikia provides anything about most suits of armor providing boosts to strength, though most comment that they are restrictive and clumsy, affecting accuracy with all weapons (even Light Armors are noted to only have the smallest accuracy impacts).
Mass Effect armours boost things like accuracy, melee damage, speed, etc. (well, most of them do). That's pretty much what Power Armour does, is it not?
Space marine power does pretty much all of that though probably a bit less for how much in total weights.
Psienesis wrote: Ehm... no they aren't. Nothing in the ME Wikia provides anything about most suits of armor providing boosts to strength, though most comment that they are restrictive and clumsy, affecting accuracy with all weapons (even Light Armors are noted to only have the smallest accuracy impacts).
Mass Effect armours boost things like accuracy, melee damage, speed, etc. (well, most of them do). That's pretty much what Power Armour does, is it not?
Space marine power does pretty much all of that though probably a bit less for how much in total weights.
Yeah I agree, both are clearly power armour, but one is much more advanced than the other.
2015/08/26 23:34:55
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Psienesis wrote: Ehm... no they aren't. Nothing in the ME Wikia provides anything about most suits of armor providing boosts to strength, though most comment that they are restrictive and clumsy, affecting accuracy with all weapons (even Light Armors are noted to only have the smallest accuracy impacts).
Mass Effect armours boost things like accuracy, melee damage, speed, etc. (well, most of them do). That's pretty much what Power Armour does, is it not?
Actually, ME armor does the opposite. The heavier your armor, the less-accurate your attacks get. In the descriptions on the Wikia, it is noted that heavier armor restricts agility and movement speed, though I don't believe this is accounted for in the game (then again, I rarely play heavy-armor classes, and have never tried sprinting in Heavy Armor that I can recall).
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2015/08/26 23:59:56
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Psienesis wrote: Ehm... no they aren't. Nothing in the ME Wikia provides anything about most suits of armor providing boosts to strength, though most comment that they are restrictive and clumsy, affecting accuracy with all weapons (even Light Armors are noted to only have the smallest accuracy impacts).
Mass Effect armours boost things like accuracy, melee damage, speed, etc. (well, most of them do). That's pretty much what Power Armour does, is it not?
Actually, ME armor does the opposite. The heavier your armor, the less-accurate your attacks get. In the descriptions on the Wikia, it is noted that heavier armor restricts agility and movement speed, though I don't believe this is accounted for in the game (then again, I rarely play heavy-armor classes, and have never tried sprinting in Heavy Armor that I can recall).
Ariake technologies armor boosts melee damage by up to 40% (w/ the full set), and the helmet boosts accuracy. The entirety of the Hahne-Kedar armor line is devoted to maximizing weapon damage (boosts power; allowing for railguns to fire with a higher energy output). The N7 Armor set boosts accuracy, melee damage, and increases survivability (increases health, so it's equivalent to having better armor) . Cerberus Ajax Armor boosts melee damage, accuracy, shields, and power efficiency. 'nough said.
To quote a fictional character... "Let's make this fun!"
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2015/08/27 00:50:18
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Mass Effect Wikia wrote: Light armor offers a basic level of protection from enemy attacks and minimizes the movement penalties that affect weapon accuracy. All classes have the ability to use light armor from the start. Adept, Engineer, and Quarian Machinist classes will always be limited to light armor but can increase the effectiveness of armor with the Basic Armor talent. The Asari Scientist and Sentinel classes are limited to light armor and have no talents to improve armor use. Infiltrator, Vanguard, and Turian Agent classes can only use light armor unless they have invested enough points in Tactical Armor to unlock Medium Armor.
Medium armor offers an increased level of protection, but also increases the movement penalties that affect weapon accuracy. The Soldier and Krogan Battlemaster classes have the ability to use medium armor from the start and will rely on it until they have invested enough points in Combat Armor to use Heavy Armor. The Infiltrator, Vanguard, and Turian Agent classes can use medium armor once they have invested enough points in Tactical Armor to unlock it.
Heavy armor offers the highest level of protection from enemy fire, but also has the highest movement penalties affecting weapon accuracy. The Soldier and Krogan Battlemaster classes are the only ones who can gain access to Heavy Armor, but only after acquiring 7 points in Combat Armor.
Heavy armor usually offers best damage protection and shields, but the most basic models offer very low protection against tech and biotic talents. Heavy armors that offer an acceptable amount of this protection are available only later on and are usually hard to find; heavy armor is rarely seen on non-combatants.
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2015/08/27 00:57:23
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Mass Effect Wikia wrote: Light armor offers a basic level of protection from enemy attacks and minimizes the movement penalties that affect weapon accuracy. All classes have the ability to use light armor from the start. Adept, Engineer, and Quarian Machinist classes will always be limited to light armor but can increase the effectiveness of armor with the Basic Armor talent. The Asari Scientist and Sentinel classes are limited to light armor and have no talents to improve armor use. Infiltrator, Vanguard, and Turian Agent classes can only use light armor unless they have invested enough points in Tactical Armor to unlock Medium Armor.
Medium armor offers an increased level of protection, but also increases the movement penalties that affect weapon accuracy. The Soldier and Krogan Battlemaster classes have the ability to use medium armor from the start and will rely on it until they have invested enough points in Combat Armor to use Heavy Armor. The Infiltrator, Vanguard, and Turian Agent classes can use medium armor once they have invested enough points in Tactical Armor to unlock it.
Heavy armor offers the highest level of protection from enemy fire, but also has the highest movement penalties affecting weapon accuracy. The Soldier and Krogan Battlemaster classes are the only ones who can gain access to Heavy Armor, but only after acquiring 7 points in Combat Armor.
Heavy armor usually offers best damage protection and shields, but the most basic models offer very low protection against tech and biotic talents. Heavy armors that offer an acceptable amount of this protection are available only later on and are usually hard to find; heavy armor is rarely seen on non-combatants.
That was in Mass Effect 1, in ME 2 and ME 3, there are no armors that decrease accuracy or speed. So, you can either rely upon one video game or two. Your choice. It depends upon your own headcanon.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, I'd like to reiterate my statement that Space Marine armour would be superior to virtually all ME infantry armors.
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Tactical_Spam wrote: There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
We must all join the Kroot-startes...
2015/08/27 02:22:04
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Psienesis wrote: Ehm... no they aren't. Nothing in the ME Wikia provides anything about most suits of armor providing boosts to strength
Ariake Technologies produces armor designed to enhance your reflexes and strength for melee combat, including Krogan armor. However, because of the nature of the ME universe, there's really no telling whether or not the Krogan is wearing what kind of armor. If he's wearing Ariake armor, his already impressive, biotically enhanced strength is going to crush a Space Marine to pulp. Serrice Council armor is probably rare amongst Krogans, as Serrice is Asari-run. Still, if they wore that, their biotic powers would be far more powerful. Kassa Fabrication produces armor with especially strong shields; Hanhe-Kedar provides extra power to weapons, Armax Arsenal provides extra ammo capacity and accuracy boosts (it's designed for snipers), Rosenkov Materials provides superior body regulation allowing for faster use of powers and more stamina in general. All of these forego extra armor for these features, however, and each piece (legs, torso, arms, shoulders, headpiece) can be mix-matched to the user's desire.
The descriptions of these add more details. For example, the aformentioned Ariake set:
"Armor with a biofeedback system regulating wearer's adrenaline surges." "Shoulder plating with microservos that coordinate melee strikes." "Arm plating with microservos that coordinate melee strikes." "Leg plating with microservos that coordinate melee attacks." In-game, this translates extra melee damage, similar to the Hydraulic Joints gear or the Strength Enhancer equipment.
Vs the N7 set:
"Interlocking plates of thick, ablative ceramic. Designed to be light, effective, and easily repaired." "Curved shell of ablative ceramic over kinetic padding." "A combination of fabric armor and kinetic padding and plates of ablative ceramic for protection." "Dual layer of fabric armor and kinetic padding beneath thick plates of ablative ceramic and lined with additional kinetic barrier emitters." In-game, this translates to extra health.
And Kassa Fabrication:
"Chestplate with micro-capacitors that release energy to speed up shield regeneration." "Shoulder plating with auxiliary shield emitters." "Arm plating with auxiliary shield emitters." "Leg plating with auxiliary shield emitters." In-game, this translates to faster shields with a higher shield capacity.
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2015/08/27 16:23:06
Subject: Re:[Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
I don't know about you guys, but when I play Mass Effect I have no problem dealing with Krogan Battlemasters (in fact, I found the first one you encounter in Mass Effect 1 to be extremely easy, even with his Geth minions). If they can be so easily defeated by ordinary humans (Shephard being a baseline human), how can they be a match for Space Marine Veterans? In any case, it is said that a Krogan Battlemaster is the equal of ten lesser soldiers, same as is often said for a Space Marine. But we are talking about a Space Marine veteran here, not a ordinary Space Marine.
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2015/08/27 16:28:15
Subject: Re:[Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Iron_Captain wrote: I don't know about you guys, but when I play Mass Effect I have no problem dealing with Krogan Battlemasters (in fact, I found the first one you encounter in Mass Effect 1 to be extremely easy, even with his Geth minions). If they can be so easily defeated by ordinary humans (Shephard being a baseline human), how can they be a match for Space Marine Veterans?
In any case, it is said that a Krogan Battlemaster is the equal of ten lesser soldiers, same as is often said for a Space Marine. But we are talking about a Space Marine veteran here, not a ordinary Space Marine.
If we are talkign about game mechanics then how many chump humans with auto guns does it take to take down a stern guard model?
Psienesis wrote: Ehm... no they aren't. Nothing in the ME Wikia provides anything about most suits of armor providing boosts to strength
Ariake Technologies produces armor designed to enhance your reflexes and strength for melee combat, including Krogan armor. However, because of the nature of the ME universe, there's really no telling whether or not the Krogan is wearing what kind of armor. If he's wearing Ariake armor, his already impressive, biotically enhanced strength is going to crush a Space Marine to pulp. Serrice Council armor is probably rare amongst Krogans, as Serrice is Asari-run. Still, if they wore that, their biotic powers would be far more powerful. Kassa Fabrication produces armor with especially strong shields; Hanhe-Kedar provides extra power to weapons, Armax Arsenal provides extra ammo capacity and accuracy boosts (it's designed for snipers), Rosenkov Materials provides superior body regulation allowing for faster use of powers and more stamina in general. All of these forego extra armor for these features, however, and each piece (legs, torso, arms, shoulders, headpiece) can be mix-matched to the user's desire.
The descriptions of these add more details. For example, the aformentioned Ariake set:
"Armor with a biofeedback system regulating wearer's adrenaline surges."
"Shoulder plating with microservos that coordinate melee strikes."
"Arm plating with microservos that coordinate melee strikes."
"Leg plating with microservos that coordinate melee attacks."
In-game, this translates extra melee damage, similar to the Hydraulic Joints gear or the Strength Enhancer equipment.
Vs the N7 set:
"Interlocking plates of thick, ablative ceramic. Designed to be light, effective, and easily repaired."
"Curved shell of ablative ceramic over kinetic padding."
"A combination of fabric armor and kinetic padding and plates of ablative ceramic for protection."
"Dual layer of fabric armor and kinetic padding beneath thick plates of ablative ceramic and lined with additional kinetic barrier emitters."
In-game, this translates to extra health.
And Kassa Fabrication:
"Chestplate with micro-capacitors that release energy to speed up shield regeneration."
"Shoulder plating with auxiliary shield emitters."
"Arm plating with auxiliary shield emitters."
"Leg plating with auxiliary shield emitters."
In-game, this translates to faster shields with a higher shield capacity.
Yes, but those are specific models of armor providing specific, tailored boosts (tailored by the manufacturer of said armor) over other, lesser examples of the class. This is like comparing a Ferrari to a Volkswagen. Sure, they're both cars, but one of them is constructed from superior manufacturing processes,superior engineering, and purity of design. The other is a sports car.
It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised.
2015/08/27 17:41:40
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Psienesis wrote: Ehm... no they aren't. Nothing in the ME Wikia provides anything about most suits of armor providing boosts to strength
Ariake Technologies produces armor designed to enhance your reflexes and strength for melee combat, including Krogan armor. However, because of the nature of the ME universe, there's really no telling whether or not the Krogan is wearing what kind of armor. If he's wearing Ariake armor, his already impressive, biotically enhanced strength is going to crush a Space Marine to pulp. Serrice Council armor is probably rare amongst Krogans, as Serrice is Asari-run. Still, if they wore that, their biotic powers would be far more powerful. Kassa Fabrication produces armor with especially strong shields; Hanhe-Kedar provides extra power to weapons, Armax Arsenal provides extra ammo capacity and accuracy boosts (it's designed for snipers), Rosenkov Materials provides superior body regulation allowing for faster use of powers and more stamina in general. All of these forego extra armor for these features, however, and each piece (legs, torso, arms, shoulders, headpiece) can be mix-matched to the user's desire.
The descriptions of these add more details. For example, the aformentioned Ariake set:
"Armor with a biofeedback system regulating wearer's adrenaline surges."
"Shoulder plating with microservos that coordinate melee strikes."
"Arm plating with microservos that coordinate melee strikes."
"Leg plating with microservos that coordinate melee attacks."
In-game, this translates extra melee damage, similar to the Hydraulic Joints gear or the Strength Enhancer equipment.
Vs the N7 set:
"Interlocking plates of thick, ablative ceramic. Designed to be light, effective, and easily repaired."
"Curved shell of ablative ceramic over kinetic padding."
"A combination of fabric armor and kinetic padding and plates of ablative ceramic for protection."
"Dual layer of fabric armor and kinetic padding beneath thick plates of ablative ceramic and lined with additional kinetic barrier emitters."
In-game, this translates to extra health.
And Kassa Fabrication:
"Chestplate with micro-capacitors that release energy to speed up shield regeneration."
"Shoulder plating with auxiliary shield emitters."
"Arm plating with auxiliary shield emitters."
"Leg plating with auxiliary shield emitters."
In-game, this translates to faster shields with a higher shield capacity.
Yes, but those are specific models of armor providing specific, tailored boosts (tailored by the manufacturer of said armor) over other, lesser examples of the class. This is like comparing a Ferrari to a Volkswagen. Sure, they're both cars, but one of them is constructed from superior manufacturing processes,superior engineering, and purity of design. The other is a sports car.
You seem to be forgetting that this is a Battlemaster. This isn't an ordinary Krogan. This is a legendary Krogan Biotic, as rare as a psyker among the Black Templars. If he is fighting in a military, he will have the best armor and weapons. If he's acting as a mercenary, he will have great armor and weapons, as his biotics are more powerful than virtually any other species' biotics (except for the most talented), not to mention the fact that their very skin is capable of deflecting low-caliber firearms (note: I didn't say withstand, I said deflect), like a .22 round would bounce off a sheet of steel. He would, quite simply, be more successful than other mercenaries.
Also, don't use game mechanics in a fluff discussion. Just don't. Because a Space Marine Vet would fare even worse than a Krogan Battlemaster (I've slaughtered dozens and dozens of exteremely well-trained and well-equipped Cerberus operatives solo, when playing as a Battlemaster. Whereas, what, 4 poorly-equipped IG can take down an SM Vet?)
To quote a fictional character... "Let's make this fun!"
Tactical_Spam wrote: There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
We must all join the Kroot-startes...
2015/08/27 19:51:31
Subject: Re:[Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Iron_Captain wrote: I don't know about you guys, but when I play Mass Effect I have no problem dealing with Krogan Battlemasters (in fact, I found the first one you encounter in Mass Effect 1 to be extremely easy, even with his Geth minions). If they can be so easily defeated by ordinary humans (Shephard being a baseline human), how can they be a match for Space Marine Veterans?
In any case, it is said that a Krogan Battlemaster is the equal of ten lesser soldiers, same as is often said for a Space Marine. But we are talking about a Space Marine veteran here, not a ordinary Space Marine.
If we are talkign about game mechanics then how many chump humans with auto guns does it take to take down a stern guard model?
Then is there non-game fluff (like books or such) we can go off? The only experience I've had with Mass Effect are the games.
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2015/08/27 19:58:31
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Psienesis wrote: Ehm... no they aren't. Nothing in the ME Wikia provides anything about most suits of armor providing boosts to strength
Ariake Technologies produces armor designed to enhance your reflexes and strength for melee combat, including Krogan armor. However, because of the nature of the ME universe, there's really no telling whether or not the Krogan is wearing what kind of armor. If he's wearing Ariake armor, his already impressive, biotically enhanced strength is going to crush a Space Marine to pulp. Serrice Council armor is probably rare amongst Krogans, as Serrice is Asari-run. Still, if they wore that, their biotic powers would be far more powerful. Kassa Fabrication produces armor with especially strong shields; Hanhe-Kedar provides extra power to weapons, Armax Arsenal provides extra ammo capacity and accuracy boosts (it's designed for snipers), Rosenkov Materials provides superior body regulation allowing for faster use of powers and more stamina in general. All of these forego extra armor for these features, however, and each piece (legs, torso, arms, shoulders, headpiece) can be mix-matched to the user's desire.
The descriptions of these add more details. For example, the aformentioned Ariake set:
"Armor with a biofeedback system regulating wearer's adrenaline surges."
"Shoulder plating with microservos that coordinate melee strikes."
"Arm plating with microservos that coordinate melee strikes."
"Leg plating with microservos that coordinate melee attacks."
In-game, this translates extra melee damage, similar to the Hydraulic Joints gear or the Strength Enhancer equipment.
Vs the N7 set:
"Interlocking plates of thick, ablative ceramic. Designed to be light, effective, and easily repaired."
"Curved shell of ablative ceramic over kinetic padding."
"A combination of fabric armor and kinetic padding and plates of ablative ceramic for protection."
"Dual layer of fabric armor and kinetic padding beneath thick plates of ablative ceramic and lined with additional kinetic barrier emitters."
In-game, this translates to extra health.
And Kassa Fabrication:
"Chestplate with micro-capacitors that release energy to speed up shield regeneration."
"Shoulder plating with auxiliary shield emitters."
"Arm plating with auxiliary shield emitters."
"Leg plating with auxiliary shield emitters."
In-game, this translates to faster shields with a higher shield capacity.
Yes, but those are specific models of armor providing specific, tailored boosts (tailored by the manufacturer of said armor) over other, lesser examples of the class. This is like comparing a Ferrari to a Volkswagen. Sure, they're both cars, but one of them is constructed from superior manufacturing processes,superior engineering, and purity of design. The other is a sports car.
You seem to be forgetting that this is a Battlemaster. This isn't an ordinary Krogan. This is a legendary Krogan Biotic, as rare as a psyker among the Black Templars. If he is fighting in a military, he will have the best armor and weapons. If he's acting as a mercenary, he will have great armor and weapons, as his biotics are more powerful than virtually any other species' biotics (except for the most talented), not to mention the fact that their very skin is capable of deflecting low-caliber firearms (note: I didn't say withstand, I said deflect), like a .22 round would bounce off a sheet of steel. He would, quite simply, be more successful than other mercenaries.
Also, don't use game mechanics in a fluff discussion. Just don't. Because a Space Marine Vet would fare even worse than a Krogan Battlemaster (I've slaughtered dozens and dozens of exteremely well-trained and well-equipped Cerberus operatives solo, when playing as a Battlemaster. Whereas, what, 4 poorly-equipped IG can take down an SM Vet?)
Battlemasters aren't that damned rare. You kill like 40 of them on Virmire.
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2015/08/27 20:03:34
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Krogans have several advantages: fast breeding, better plasma, breed to fight from birth, and they are physically powerful. To me, this sounds like intelligent less numerous better tech orks. Remember, astartes also ate bred from children for war. Bit their lives last much longer, their weapons are better than mass effect plasma, and they easily kill even daemons and orks. Not saying this is a stomp, but if take the space marine any day
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2015/08/27 20:22:29
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Guilliman's blade wrote: Krogans have several advantages: fast breeding, better plasma, breed to fight from birth, and they are physically powerful. To me, this sounds like intelligent less numerous better tech orks. Remember, astartes also ate bred from children for war. Bit their lives last much longer, their weapons are better than mass effect plasma, and they easily kill even daemons and orks. Not saying this is a stomp, but if take the space marine any day
Krogans live longer than Astartes, actually. And Krogan train from birth, not from adolescence. Also, plasma is a state of matter that is, at the very least (for Hydrogen and similar nonmetals) 100k degrees Kelvin, likely even hotter, so there is not way in hell that Ceramite would be able to withstand it (w/out something like a Rosarius or Storm Shield, at least).
@Psienesis: Saren Arterius was specifically breeding Battlemasters, as he had cured the genophage and was breeding Krogan [literally] 1,000x faster than the rest of the Krogan species could. Which means that he would be able to expose WAY more embryos to eezo, which means that he could (potentially) create thousands of Battlemasters (while also causing the deaths of tens of millions of newborns).
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Tactical_Spam wrote: There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
We must all join the Kroot-startes...
2015/08/27 22:52:15
Subject: Re:[Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Iron_Captain wrote: Then is there non-game fluff (like books or such) we can go off? The only experience I've had with Mass Effect are the games.
Then we can go with Mass Effect 3, which is the first game that lets you play as one and offers a more in depth look at their abilities than the previous games, including direct number comparisons.
See below:
Psienesis wrote: Yes, but those are specific models of armor providing specific, tailored boosts (tailored by the manufacturer of said armor) over other, lesser examples of the class. This is like comparing a Ferrari to a Volkswagen. Sure, they're both cars, but one of them is constructed from superior manufacturing processes,superior engineering, and purity of design. The other is a sports car.
By gameplay mechanics, before any experience or equipment, Krogan Battlemasters in Mass Effect 3 are twice as tough as humans and take twice the beating to bring down, and carry twice as many shields. With experience, the Krogan Battlemaster has the opportunity to end up with an additional 20% more health and shields growth than the human soldier, on top of starting with more. This results in 825 max health and shields for a maxed out human soldier and 1850 max health and shields for a krogan battlemaster. With the addition of the Barrier power, which is considered fairly typical for a Krogan Battlemaster, this results in an additional effective +25% health and shields from damage reduction, so effectively 2312.5 each at level one, or 2590 at max level. So in gameplay they are, before equipment bonuses, three times as tough as the toughest human soldiers. A special type of Krogan Battlemaster, the Krogan Warlord (which I assumed the OP meant because he mentioned the Biotic Hammer, which only the Krogan Warlord class uses), is even tougher, having an additional 25% shields to start off with compared to the Battlemaster as well as superior defenses in Tech Armor, but has marginally less health/shields growth, resulting in 2550 hp and 3187.5 shields including the effect from Tech Armor.
So, by default in game mechanics, Krogan Battlemasters and Krogan Warlords are at minimum between two or three times as tough as a human N7 operative, which again, are cybernetically enhanced (when choosing a class at the beginning of ME3, they actually show the cybernetics; there's a ton of muscle enhancements and such, for example). The stereotypical vanguard power is "biotic charge", which allows the user to cross a huge distance and slam right in to their opponent almost instantly replenishing the user's shields and knocking even creatures large enough to be monstrous creatures back-- including stunning Brutes, which are far heavier and more durable than a mere Space Marine would be. Other powers that Krogan biotics have are the aformentioned Biotic Hammer, which would turn their melee weapon into effectively a force weapon, and Warp, which shreds armor and flesh alike with rapidly shifting mass effect fields (allowing the Krogan to get through the power armor far easier, as it weakens the effectiveness of armor).
I know some spaz will come along saying "don't use gameplay mechanics!!!111oneoneone" but before you do, shut up. How tough, smart, or powerful a Krogan Battlemaster is outside of gameplay mechanics depends on the needs of the the narrative, just like with Space Marines. Hell, Grunt, who wasn't even a Battlemaster-- just a young, inexperienced Krogan soldier without biotic powers-- was able to effectively survive fighting his way out of the setting's equivalent to a Tyranid nest. In multiplayer, Krogans are nigh-unstoppable when played right, with their Rage ability letting them quickly regenerate from wounds as long as they're landing melee blows on their enemies. And Wrex was a one-Krogan army. But in single player in the earlier games, you can take them down very quickly-- just like a single Space Marine in the the Space Marine game is capable of taking on large numbers of Chaos Marines in a row, even though those Space Marines should be roughly as tough as he is.
Apart from the genophage that makes 9 in 10 births stillborn, sure.
Depends. My internal canon has Shepard curing the Genophage. She already has the support of the Salarian special forces after all, and the Krogan have a lot of military force to offer.
But not all Shepards did this of course. Some of them were donkey-caves.
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2015/08/27 23:00:09
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Post-ME3, there's not much of a galaxy left, nor time to breed more Krogan Battlemasters, so how one resolves ME3's storyline doesn't actually matter that much.
It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised.
2015/08/27 23:02:41
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Psienesis wrote: Post-ME3, there's not much of a galaxy left, nor time to breed more Krogan Battlemasters, so how one resolves ME3's storyline doesn't actually matter that much.
That is only true if you (quite frankly) suck at the game. The mid-to-good endings have the galaxy rebuilding the Mass Relays and reestablishing the intragalactic community.
To quote a fictional character... "Let's make this fun!"
Tactical_Spam wrote: There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
We must all join the Kroot-startes...
2015/08/27 23:03:52
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Psienesis wrote: Ehm... no they aren't. Nothing in the ME Wikia provides anything about most suits of armor providing boosts to strength
Ariake Technologies produces armor designed to enhance your reflexes and strength for melee combat, including Krogan armor. However, because of the nature of the ME universe, there's really no telling whether or not the Krogan is wearing what kind of armor. If he's wearing Ariake armor, his already impressive, biotically enhanced strength is going to crush a Space Marine to pulp. Serrice Council armor is probably rare amongst Krogans, as Serrice is Asari-run. Still, if they wore that, their biotic powers would be far more powerful. Kassa Fabrication produces armor with especially strong shields; Hanhe-Kedar provides extra power to weapons, Armax Arsenal provides extra ammo capacity and accuracy boosts (it's designed for snipers), Rosenkov Materials provides superior body regulation allowing for faster use of powers and more stamina in general. All of these forego extra armor for these features, however, and each piece (legs, torso, arms, shoulders, headpiece) can be mix-matched to the user's desire.
The descriptions of these add more details. For example, the aformentioned Ariake set:
"Armor with a biofeedback system regulating wearer's adrenaline surges."
"Shoulder plating with microservos that coordinate melee strikes."
"Arm plating with microservos that coordinate melee strikes."
"Leg plating with microservos that coordinate melee attacks."
In-game, this translates extra melee damage, similar to the Hydraulic Joints gear or the Strength Enhancer equipment.
Vs the N7 set:
"Interlocking plates of thick, ablative ceramic. Designed to be light, effective, and easily repaired."
"Curved shell of ablative ceramic over kinetic padding."
"A combination of fabric armor and kinetic padding and plates of ablative ceramic for protection."
"Dual layer of fabric armor and kinetic padding beneath thick plates of ablative ceramic and lined with additional kinetic barrier emitters."
In-game, this translates to extra health.
And Kassa Fabrication:
"Chestplate with micro-capacitors that release energy to speed up shield regeneration."
"Shoulder plating with auxiliary shield emitters."
"Arm plating with auxiliary shield emitters."
"Leg plating with auxiliary shield emitters."
In-game, this translates to faster shields with a higher shield capacity.
Yes, but those are specific models of armor providing specific, tailored boosts (tailored by the manufacturer of said armor) over other, lesser examples of the class. This is like comparing a Ferrari to a Volkswagen. Sure, they're both cars, but one of them is constructed from superior manufacturing processes,superior engineering, and purity of design. The other is a sports car.
You seem to be forgetting that this is a Battlemaster. This isn't an ordinary Krogan. This is a legendary Krogan Biotic, as rare as a psyker among the Black Templars.
Wait, you mean to say they never happen? Then why is this even a point?
Unless you mean that Templars have psykers. WITCH!
2015/08/27 23:05:14
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Depends on the endings. In the ending I got, the activation of the Crucible caused very little damage, and even the Relays were starting to be rebuilt in a few years. Also, Shepard survived. Because she was too much of a badass for to be killed by something as small as being on a space station as it crashed on to Earth after she had been shot by a battleship's main cannon after having already battled her way unsupported through an entire army of the deadliest creatures in the galaxy outside of Tuchanka..
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
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2015/08/27 23:06:20
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Psienesis wrote: Ehm... no they aren't. Nothing in the ME Wikia provides anything about most suits of armor providing boosts to strength
Ariake Technologies produces armor designed to enhance your reflexes and strength for melee combat, including Krogan armor. However, because of the nature of the ME universe, there's really no telling whether or not the Krogan is wearing what kind of armor. If he's wearing Ariake armor, his already impressive, biotically enhanced strength is going to crush a Space Marine to pulp. Serrice Council armor is probably rare amongst Krogans, as Serrice is Asari-run. Still, if they wore that, their biotic powers would be far more powerful. Kassa Fabrication produces armor with especially strong shields; Hanhe-Kedar provides extra power to weapons, Armax Arsenal provides extra ammo capacity and accuracy boosts (it's designed for snipers), Rosenkov Materials provides superior body regulation allowing for faster use of powers and more stamina in general. All of these forego extra armor for these features, however, and each piece (legs, torso, arms, shoulders, headpiece) can be mix-matched to the user's desire.
The descriptions of these add more details. For example, the aformentioned Ariake set:
"Armor with a biofeedback system regulating wearer's adrenaline surges."
"Shoulder plating with microservos that coordinate melee strikes."
"Arm plating with microservos that coordinate melee strikes."
"Leg plating with microservos that coordinate melee attacks."
In-game, this translates extra melee damage, similar to the Hydraulic Joints gear or the Strength Enhancer equipment.
Vs the N7 set:
"Interlocking plates of thick, ablative ceramic. Designed to be light, effective, and easily repaired."
"Curved shell of ablative ceramic over kinetic padding."
"A combination of fabric armor and kinetic padding and plates of ablative ceramic for protection."
"Dual layer of fabric armor and kinetic padding beneath thick plates of ablative ceramic and lined with additional kinetic barrier emitters."
In-game, this translates to extra health.
And Kassa Fabrication:
"Chestplate with micro-capacitors that release energy to speed up shield regeneration."
"Shoulder plating with auxiliary shield emitters."
"Arm plating with auxiliary shield emitters."
"Leg plating with auxiliary shield emitters."
In-game, this translates to faster shields with a higher shield capacity.
Yes, but those are specific models of armor providing specific, tailored boosts (tailored by the manufacturer of said armor) over other, lesser examples of the class. This is like comparing a Ferrari to a Volkswagen. Sure, they're both cars, but one of them is constructed from superior manufacturing processes,superior engineering, and purity of design. The other is a sports car.
You seem to be forgetting that this is a Battlemaster. This isn't an ordinary Krogan. This is a legendary Krogan Biotic, as rare as a psyker among the Black Templars.
Wait, you mean to say they never happen? Then why is this even a point?
Unless you mean that Templars have psykers. WITCH!
I was talking about the curent fluff, not the stuff from their codex.
To quote a fictional character... "Let's make this fun!"
Tactical_Spam wrote: There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
