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2015/08/27 23:18:51
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Psienesis wrote: Ehm... no they aren't. Nothing in the ME Wikia provides anything about most suits of armor providing boosts to strength
Ariake Technologies produces armor designed to enhance your reflexes and strength for melee combat, including Krogan armor. However, because of the nature of the ME universe, there's really no telling whether or not the Krogan is wearing what kind of armor. If he's wearing Ariake armor, his already impressive, biotically enhanced strength is going to crush a Space Marine to pulp. Serrice Council armor is probably rare amongst Krogans, as Serrice is Asari-run. Still, if they wore that, their biotic powers would be far more powerful. Kassa Fabrication produces armor with especially strong shields; Hanhe-Kedar provides extra power to weapons, Armax Arsenal provides extra ammo capacity and accuracy boosts (it's designed for snipers), Rosenkov Materials provides superior body regulation allowing for faster use of powers and more stamina in general. All of these forego extra armor for these features, however, and each piece (legs, torso, arms, shoulders, headpiece) can be mix-matched to the user's desire.
The descriptions of these add more details. For example, the aformentioned Ariake set:
"Armor with a biofeedback system regulating wearer's adrenaline surges." "Shoulder plating with microservos that coordinate melee strikes." "Arm plating with microservos that coordinate melee strikes." "Leg plating with microservos that coordinate melee attacks." In-game, this translates extra melee damage, similar to the Hydraulic Joints gear or the Strength Enhancer equipment.
Vs the N7 set:
"Interlocking plates of thick, ablative ceramic. Designed to be light, effective, and easily repaired." "Curved shell of ablative ceramic over kinetic padding." "A combination of fabric armor and kinetic padding and plates of ablative ceramic for protection." "Dual layer of fabric armor and kinetic padding beneath thick plates of ablative ceramic and lined with additional kinetic barrier emitters." In-game, this translates to extra health.
And Kassa Fabrication:
"Chestplate with micro-capacitors that release energy to speed up shield regeneration." "Shoulder plating with auxiliary shield emitters." "Arm plating with auxiliary shield emitters." "Leg plating with auxiliary shield emitters." In-game, this translates to faster shields with a higher shield capacity.
Yes, but those are specific models of armor providing specific, tailored boosts (tailored by the manufacturer of said armor) over other, lesser examples of the class. This is like comparing a Ferrari to a Volkswagen. Sure, they're both cars, but one of them is constructed from superior manufacturing processes,superior engineering, and purity of design. The other is a sports car.
You seem to be forgetting that this is a Battlemaster. This isn't an ordinary Krogan. This is a legendary Krogan Biotic, as rare as a psyker among the Black Templars.
Wait, you mean to say they never happen? Then why is this even a point?
Unless you mean that Templars have psykers. WITCH!
I was talking about the curent fluff, not the stuff from their codex.
Current fluff states something akin to "never been blessed with a psyker by the Emperor" or some gak. It's all lies and propaganda - the BT see a psyker, they stab it with a chainsword. That is why they don't have librarians
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2015/08/28 21:00:07
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
I say that the Krogan is about equal to a space marine captain with a thunder hammer. I forget what gun this is in mass effect but it is essentially a bolter, so given that they are pretty much identical in these respects I say the Krogan beats the veteran thanks to Biotics and having a shield. The fight may be more even if the vet was in terminator armor and a storm shield.
2015/08/28 21:41:16
Subject: Re:[Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Iron_Captain wrote: I don't know about you guys, but when I play Mass Effect I have no problem dealing with Krogan Battlemasters (in fact, I found the first one you encounter in Mass Effect 1 to be extremely easy, even with his Geth minions). If they can be so easily defeated by ordinary humans (Shephard being a baseline human), how can they be a match for Space Marine Veterans?
In any case, it is said that a Krogan Battlemaster is the equal of ten lesser soldiers, same as is often said for a Space Marine. But we are talking about a Space Marine veteran here, not a ordinary Space Marine.
If we are talkign about game mechanics then how many chump humans with auto guns does it take to take down a stern guard model?
It takes 18 Guardsmen at maximum range to kill a single Space Marine. 9 at rapidfire range.
CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
2015/08/28 22:28:06
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
chazz huggins wrote: I say that the Krogan is about equal to a space marine captain with a thunder hammer. I forget what gun this is in mass effect but it is essentially a bolter, so given that they are pretty much identical in these respects I say the Krogan beats the veteran thanks to Biotics and having a shield. The fight may be more even if the vet was in terminator armor and a storm shield.
Not sure if you've been reading so far...
2015/08/28 22:30:34
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
chazz huggins wrote: I say that the Krogan is about equal to a space marine captain with a thunder hammer. I forget what gun this is in mass effect but it is essentially a bolter, so given that they are pretty much identical in these respects I say the Krogan beats the veteran thanks to Biotics and having a shield. The fight may be more even if the vet was in terminator armor and a storm shield.
Striker assault Rifle is what you're thinking of. It's awesome for dealing with Husks.
To quote a fictional character... "Let's make this fun!"
Tactical_Spam wrote: There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
We must all join the Kroot-startes...
2015/08/29 01:50:04
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
chazz huggins wrote: I say that the Krogan is about equal to a space marine captain with a thunder hammer. I forget what gun this is in mass effect but it is essentially a bolter, so given that they are pretty much identical in these respects I say the Krogan beats the veteran thanks to Biotics and having a shield. The fight may be more even if the vet was in terminator armor and a storm shield.
I don't even....
2015/08/29 05:04:08
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
chazz huggins wrote: I say that the Krogan is about equal to a space marine captain with a thunder hammer. I forget what gun this is in mass effect but it is essentially a bolter, so given that they are pretty much identical in these respects I say the Krogan beats the veteran thanks to Biotics and having a shield. The fight may be more even if the vet was in terminator armor and a storm shield.
I don't even....
Sorry I just won't voice my opinion anymore
2015/08/29 07:23:28
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
chazz huggins wrote: I say that the Krogan is about equal to a space marine captain with a thunder hammer. I forget what gun this is in mass effect but it is essentially a bolter, so given that they are pretty much identical in these respects I say the Krogan beats the veteran thanks to Biotics and having a shield. The fight may be more even if the vet was in terminator armor and a storm shield.
I don't even....
Sorry I just won't voice my opinion anymore
Sorry, but you are really underselling marines and overestimating the krogan.
2015/08/29 17:37:18
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Meanwhile you're overselling the marine and underestimating the Krogan.
A big thing to realize in the ME universe is that technology grows quickly. Equipment from ME1 is horribly outdated by the time of ME3. The effectiveness of the equipment makes a huge difference which game you draw from. For example, shields in ME1 were pretty rare, but by the time of ME2, Shields were so common even thugs were using them; by the time of ME3, almost every major armor producer includes shield generators in their armor.
40k's tech is stagnant, but ME's is not. That's why I am using the third game as the real comparison here, as it's most technologically advanced canon technology.
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2015/08/29 18:41:00
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
The evolution of shield tech can be easily linked to the plot of mass effect as well, which is a nice touch.
"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad.
2015/08/29 18:57:40
Subject: Re:[Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
TLDR; AR rounds are just above modern NATO 7.62 (3.526165kJ), advantages include high ROF and ammo capacity. Of course this varies between weapons but PA will laugh these off, if he is even hit. The power of these rounds is consistent with the wounds in the games and novels, ie ME AR rounds aren't tearing limbs off like a lasgun, for example when Saren kills himself with his Spectre issue pistol, his head didn't explode. ME armour is probably in between flak and carapace, a bolter has a good chance to penetrate, though the sheer kinetic impacts will shatter the insides of person wearing, just like how an AK round might not pen modern body armour, it'll crack your ribs and incapacitate you.
Power armour can shrug off autocannon rounds and heavy bolters and takes a high velocity 120mm APHE round to penetrate though there examples of them surviving.
Spoiler:
“Nemiel watched the Astartes race up to the street corner and put their backs to a burnt-out storefront, their bolters held across their chests. One of the two warriors – Brother Cortus, Nemiel thought – slid to the end of the wall and peered around the corner.
Nemiel heard the battle cannon fire and watched the corner of the building Coitus was standing at disintegrate in the space of a single heartbeat. The two Astartes disappeared in a blizzard of pulverised stone and fragments of structural steel. A billowing cloud of dust and smoke enveloped the intersection and rolled down the street towards the rest of the squad.
The squad took cover on reflex, crouching behind rubble piles or pressing close to a building wall. Nemiel checked his helmet display and saw the status icon for Brother Cortus flash from green to amber. He was wounded, perhaps seriously, but still functional. The walls of the building must have shielded the Astartes from the worst of the blast.
Less than a minute later Brother Yung emerged from the smoke cloud, his black armour caked with brown dust. He was half-carrying, half-dragging Brother Cortus. Nemiel rose from cover and jogged forward as Yung set the wounded warrior down next to the shattered stoop of a hab unit. Cortus reached up and fumbled with his helmet. One side of the ceramite helm had been partially crushed, shattering the right ocular and splitting it from crown to nape. Yung lent a hand and helped the wounded Astartes pull the helmet free.
‘Status?’ Nemiel asked.
Brother Cortus sent the smashed helmet bouncing across the street. The skin on the right side of his face had been deeply scored by the impact, peeling away the flesh down to the bone in some places. His right eye was a bloody ruin, but the wound was clotting quickly thanks to Cortus’s enhanced healing ability.
‘One battle tank and four APCs, three hundred metres south,’ he said, his voice rough with pain. ‘Approximately a platoon of infantry in hasty defensive positions, maybe more.’
‘I was talking about your head, brother.’
Cortus glanced dazedly at the Redemptor, blinking his one good eye. ‘Oh, that,’ he said dismissively. ‘It’s nothing. Did anyone see what happened to my bolter?’”
Pg.188 FA
“but stopped as weapons fire erupted from within. A noise like the birth of thunder filled the corridor as a heavy weapon roared. The sergeant jerked backwards as high-calibre rounds slammed into his armour, pitting the ceramite. His own shot went wide as a round clipped his gauntlet, the plasma blast scorching the ceiling. Barbelo dropped his chin and raised his shoulder as another torrent of rounds hammered him. Even as his pauldron cracked, the icon of the Chapter blasted from his shoulder in a shower of splintered ceramite, the sergeant took a step forward. Maion recognised the harsh bark of an autocannon as the traitors poured fire onto Barbelo – the sergeant’s armour would not hold. Maion lunged forward, tossed a frag grenade into the room, grabbed Barbelo’s gorget, and pulled him back into the corridor. ‘You dare!’ The sergeant snarled at Maion, back-fisting him across the helm. Maion staggered cursing. With disciplined restraint he quashed the rage boiling up inside him. ‘Calm yourself brother. To proceed would have been folly.’”
Pg.12 H&B 15 – Beneath the Flesh
113-283 kJs per round using modern explosives. 40k ones are likely far more powerful. Bolters will have no problem putting down a Krogan in armour. eg Wrex's death in ME3 by a standard Carnifex pistol; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvi_0Nuhm4c
He didn't have kinetic barriers but it wouldn't make much of a difference to a bolter.
Capability of bolter;
Spoiler:
“‘Form a firing line!’ he ordered.
The closest of the corpses was only five metres away. As the eight remaining Astartes rushed forward to stand shoulder-to-shoulder beside Zahariel and Astelan, the Librarian called out. ‘Change magazines!’
As one, nine pairs of hands went to work, releasing nearly-empty clips from their bolt pistols and slapping fresh ones home. Charging handles racked home with a well-oiled clatter.
The shambling mob was two metres away, almost close enough to touch. ‘Squad!’ Zahariel yelled. ‘One step back! Five rounds rapid. Fire!’
In lockstep, ten pairs of boots crashed upon the permacrete. Bolt pistols barked in a rolling volley. Green clad bodies jerked and blew apart in the storm of mass-reactive rounds. The first rank of corpses disintegrated under the fusillade.
‘One step back. Five rounds rapid. Fire!’
The bolt pistols thundered again. Each round found its mark, and fifty more bodies were reduced to bloody fragments. The rest of the mob staggered on, their outstretched hands little more than a metre away.
At Zahariel’s command, the squad took one last step back and fired five more rounds into the press. Firing bolts locked back on empty magazines as fifty more bodies erupted into gory mist. The mob had been cut in half in the span of twenty seconds, but the remainder pressed their advance.”
Pg.320 FA
Though it's not like the krogan will get a chance to react before he is killed by the marine pumps him full of rounds, considering their agility;
Spoiler:
“‘Sire, I believe we should save them for–’ The human said nothing more. The front of his face came free with a sickly crack, the flesh and jagged bone crunching in the Night Lord’s fist. Talos ignored the body as it toppled, spilling the insides of its halved skull onto the decking. No one had even seen him move, such was the prophet’s speed, clearing ten metres and vaulting a console table in the time it took a human heart to beat once.”
Pg.93 VS
“‘Control your emotions, and move aside,’ Argel Tal growled, ‘or I will kill you.’
‘You cannot mean that, lord!’
Faster than human eyes could follow, the swords of red iron came free in hissing rasps. The tips of both blades rested against the fat priest’s three chins before he’d even had time to blink. Apparently, the lord did mean it.
‘Yes,’ the deacon stammered. ‘Yes, I…’
‘Just move,’ Argel Tal suggested. ”
Pg.264 TFH
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Melissia relies entirely on game mechanics to make her points, which unfortunately holds little water - this is the background forum after all, and if we are going to use game mechanics, I can assure you that Space Marines pull off far more insane feats in their games than Krogan do (and another game mechanic argument, if you indeed want to use those, is that when you use your weapons against people not wearing armour - such as the mad colonists in ME1 - they can actually take a fair few hits before going down).
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Space Marines rarely survive going toe to toe with Trygons, which is the closest equivalent to Grunt taking on the Thresher Maw.
"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad.
2015/08/29 19:11:33
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Ashiraya wrote: Melissia relies entirely on game mechanics to make her points, which unfortunately holds little water - this is the background forum after all, and if we are going to use game mechanics, I can assure you that Space Marines pull off far more insane feats in their games than Krogan do.
Space Marine in-game mechanics. Dem executions tho.
Spoiler:
2015/08/29 19:14:17
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Ashiraya wrote: Melissia relies entirely on game mechanics to make her points, which unfortunately holds little water - this is the background forum after all, and if we are going to use game mechanics, I can assure you that Space Marines pull off far more insane feats in their games than Krogan do.
Space Marine in-game mechanics. Dem executions tho.
Spoiler:
I have solokilled 1,000 Orks in Exterminatus (so playing as a standard Assault Marine, which I might add is not even something particularly difficult to do).
Let's see you solokill 1,000 Krogan with your Battlemaster in one map.
I did not record that session, but I did record another that should tell you enough about how you don't mess with Astartes in their games.
Spoiler:
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The problem being with such comparisons is that it could be said that the Astartes or the Krogan who carves through waves upon waves of foes in a single battle alone is a particularly-exceptional example of the type, not a baseline.
The player who carves through 1000 Orks on a map is playing an exceptional Astartes. The player who carves through 1000 Geth Primes, or 1000 other Krogan Battlemasters, as a Krogan Battlemaster on a single map is, likewise, playing an exceptional Krogan Battlemaster.
Given the comparisons provided by the ME Wikia, I'm inclined to think that it's a coin-toss, dependent more on specific battle-field events and dumb luck than any inherent superiority of one over the other.
EDIT#2: Though, I should note, given the parameters listed in the poll, the Krogan Battlemaster is fighting naked with 3 weapons while the Astartes is in Power Armor with 2 weapons. Given that? The Astartes wins just about every time. Naked Krogan are tough, but not dodge-and-soak-bolters tough.
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It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised.
2015/08/29 23:25:54
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Melissia wrote: Meanwhile you're overselling the marine and underestimating the Krogan.
A big thing to realize in the ME universe is that technology grows quickly. Equipment from ME1 is horribly outdated by the time of ME3. The effectiveness of the equipment makes a huge difference which game you draw from. For example, shields in ME1 were pretty rare, but by the time of ME2, Shields were so common even thugs were using them; by the time of ME3, almost every major armor producer includes shield generators in their armor.
40k's tech is stagnant, but ME's is not. That's why I am using the third game as the real comparison here, as it's most technologically advanced canon technology.
This. Also, plasma is plasma, regardless of what universe it's in. If a Krogan can shrug off a plasma bolt, and Space Marines can't, then that means that the Krogan is utilizing the superior armor. Mass Effect technology (which is shared between species in much the same way as technology is shared between nation-states today) is superior to 40k Imperial technology in virtually every way. You don't have to worry about your plasma weapon overheating and murdering you. Magnetic Accelerator Weapons (aka Guass weapons) are as common as lasguns. Genetic engineering is significantly more common, and far better understood than what is used by the Impeirum. The Imperial Navy is significantly more powerful than even the combined might of every navy in the Mass Effect universe, but that's due more to the size of the ships and the amount of ships than the technology involved in their operation (an Imperial Cruiser is larger than any ME ship, except for, perhaps, a Dreadnought). Of course, I'm comparing the technology that the the Imperium can actually build and maintain, but it also happens to have the occasional relic from the DAoT to feth everything that moves.
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Psienesis wrote: EDIT#2: Though, I should note, given the parameters listed in the poll, the Krogan Battlemaster is fighting naked with 3 weapons while the Astartes is in Power Armor with 2 weapons. Given that? The Astartes wins just about every time. Naked Krogan are tough, but not dodge-and-soak-bolters tough.
Naked? What?
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To quote a fictional character... "Let's make this fun!"
Tactical_Spam wrote: There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
We must all join the Kroot-startes...
2015/08/29 23:39:57
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Ashiraya wrote: Plasma is NOT plasma. The material heated and the degree it is heated to means it has wildly varying effects.
As I have stated previously, plasma, when created by a readily-available, such as Hydrogen, is, at minimum, 100k degrees Kelvin. That is more than 30x the melting point of Tungsten (metal with the highest melting, that we know of).
To quote a fictional character... "Let's make this fun!"
Tactical_Spam wrote: There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
We must all join the Kroot-startes...
2015/08/30 00:05:27
Subject: Re:[Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Hoyt wrote: I have been "overselling" the marine using actual evidence and calcs meanwhile you have not.
If you're not going to even read my posts, then put me on your ignore list. I don't care what some random person thinks about my posts when they didn't even bother to read them.
Ashiraya wrote: Plasma is NOT plasma. The material heated and the degree it is heated to means it has wildly varying effects.
As I have stated previously, plasma, when created by a readily-available, such as Hydrogen, is, at minimum, 100k degrees Kelvin. That is more than 30x the melting point of Tungsten (metal with the highest melting, that we know of).
Correct.
And I should note, plasma does NOT get through the shields any better than bullets do in Mass Effect, while it DOES get through astartes armor.
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Ashiraya wrote: Melissia relies entirely on game mechanics to make her points, which unfortunately holds little water - this is the background forum after all
We're comparing a fething video game series to a written lore based series. Can you seriously not comprehend why I'm using the video game itself in order to talk about the video game?
Are you REALLY that dense? Of COURSE we talk about the video game when we talk about the video game.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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2015/08/30 00:12:41
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Psienesis wrote: EDIT#2: Though, I should note, given the parameters listed in the poll, the Krogan Battlemaster is fighting naked with 3 weapons while the Astartes is in Power Armor with 2 weapons. Given that? The Astartes wins just about every time. Naked Krogan are tough, but not dodge-and-soak-bolters tough.
Naked? What?
Who would be the victor?
Space Marine Veteran (power armor, bolt gun, chainsword) Krogan Battlemaster (biotic hammer, heavy shotgun, heavy pistol)
Note that the Astartes has a set of armor listed in his outload while the Krogan does not. Krogan has 3 weapons listed (hammer, shotgun, pistol) while Astartes has two (boltgun and chainsword). It's just an amusing observation.
It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised.
2015/08/30 14:02:47
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
This. Also, plasma is plasma, regardless of what universe it's in.
Within 40K there are different types of plasma. The pulse rifles of the Tau, for instance, utilise plasma but are far less powerful than the hand held plasma weaponry of the Imperium. While plasma guns can penetrate power armour with ease the same can not be said for pulse guns.
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2015/08/30 23:35:14
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
This. Also, plasma is plasma, regardless of what universe it's in.
Within 40K there are different types of plasma. The pulse rifles of the Tau, for instance, utilise plasma but are far less powerful than the hand held plasma weaponry of the Imperium. While plasma guns can penetrate power armour with ease the same can not be said for pulse guns.
You're comparing a thimble's worth of plasma and a bucket's worth of plasma, and expecting them to do the same amount of damage?
To quote a fictional character... "Let's make this fun!"
Tactical_Spam wrote: There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
We must all join the Kroot-startes...
2015/08/31 02:58:14
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
This. Also, plasma is plasma, regardless of what universe it's in.
Within 40K there are different types of plasma. The pulse rifles of the Tau, for instance, utilise plasma but are far less powerful than the hand held plasma weaponry of the Imperium. While plasma guns can penetrate power armour with ease the same can not be said for pulse guns.
You're comparing a thimble's worth of plasma and a bucket's worth of plasma, and expecting them to do the same amount of damage?
If plasma is plasma it shouldn't matter, right?
My plasma TV isn't the temperature of a star, though, as it so happens, so it would seem that all plasma is not created equally.
It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised.
2015/08/31 03:11:41
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
This. Also, plasma is plasma, regardless of what universe it's in.
Within 40K there are different types of plasma. The pulse rifles of the Tau, for instance, utilise plasma but are far less powerful than the hand held plasma weaponry of the Imperium. While plasma guns can penetrate power armour with ease the same can not be said for pulse guns.
You're comparing a thimble's worth of plasma and a bucket's worth of plasma, and expecting them to do the same amount of damage?
If plasma is plasma it shouldn't matter, right?
My plasma TV isn't the temperature of a star, though, as it so happens, so it would seem that all plasma is not created equally.
Plasma can be defined as the substance in which blood cells (white and red) are suspended in the blood stream.
Plasma can also be defined as electrically-charged ionized gases. This kind of plasma is used in plasma televisions.
Plasma can also be defined as the fourth state of matter; hotter than gas. This is the kind of plasma that is referred to when talking about plasma weaponry, and is theorized to be found in stars. For a sufficiently volatile and common substance (such as Hydrogen), the Plasma would be a minimum of 10 E 8 degrees Kelvin (100,000,000 degrees K). My initial 100k degrees was off, I mis-translated the 10 E 8.
To quote a fictional character... "Let's make this fun!"
Tactical_Spam wrote: There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
We must all join the Kroot-startes...
2015/08/31 04:11:54
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
Geth plasma weapons and Imperial Plasma Guns are two entirely different weapons. They may operate along vaguely similar principles (The said can be said about Flintlock pistols and the M16) but Imperial Plasma guns are depicted as lobbing large blobs of hot energy that melts things to slag. Geth plasma weapons fire projectiles that aren't terribly different than other ME weapons. Imperial Plasma Guns have been consistently depicted as being incredibly volatile and destructive weapons. If you shoot a human with the Geth plasma weapon he just falls over dead. With a Plasma Gun you'll erase 80% of his body from existence.
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2015/08/31 21:16:36
Subject: [Poll] Who would win? Space marine vet or Krogan Battlemaster?
TheCustomLime wrote: Geth plasma weapons and Imperial Plasma Guns are two entirely different weapons. They may operate along vaguely similar principles (The said can be said about Flintlock pistols and the M16) but Imperial Plasma guns are depicted as lobbing large blobs of hot energy that melts things to slag. Geth plasma weapons fire projectiles that aren't terribly different than other ME weapons. Imperial Plasma Guns have been consistently depicted as being incredibly volatile and destructive weapons. If you shoot a human with the Geth plasma weapon he just falls over dead. With a Plasma Gun you'll erase 80% of his body from existence.
Its probably along the lines of a Tau pulse weapon then.
That's because ME3 armor and shields are better than you give them credit for. Geth plasma weapons are described in-lore as creating clouds of plasma on their target, not merely being bullets.
From the SMG:
This geth weapon works on the same principles as the Spitfire: it shoots superconducting toroids that break apart on impact, retaining an electrical charge that flash-converts the shrapnel into plasma.
From the Shotgun:
The resulting impact, heat, and electrical charge overloads shields and barriers and causes massive trauma to unarmored targets.
From the Spitfire:
These donut-shaped projectiles are designed to shatter upon impact, arcing electricity between the fragments and flash-converting them to plasma. The gun's punishing, automatic blasts impact with the heat of a cutting torch.
Keep in mind, there's an analgous weapon to a cutting torch in Burnaboyz' melee attacks (at least in older editions), which can count as power weapons.
Geth plasma weapons would get through Power Armor quickly... but not necessarily get through ME3 armor, which has superior materials and design.
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