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It will most likely be Preheresy/heresy Ultramarines & Word Bearers miniatures (with cultists & psykers). Since it is Calth.

shade1313 wrote:

PalmerC wrote:
Thats a fair point although I have seen many posts that stated Heresy has no Xenos in various places over the last six months.

They can state that, but saying something doesn't make it so, at least not if you view the Horus Heresy as both the BL books and the FW game and minis.

Has Forgeworld produced a single xenos miniature for the Horus Heresy? Have they written rules for a single xenos unit for the Horus Heresy? If not, the statement that this is a no Xenos allowed product line is effectively true, even if they get the occasional footnote in the novels.

You cannot prove that GW/FW will never release X simply because they have not released X to date.

 AlexHolker wrote:

shade1313 wrote:

PalmerC wrote:
Thats a fair point although I have seen many posts that stated Heresy has no Xenos in various places over the last six months.

They can state that, but saying something doesn't make it so, at least not if you view the Horus Heresy as both the BL books and the FW game and minis.

Has Forgeworld produced a single xenos miniature for the Horus Heresy? Have they written rules for a single xenos unit for the Horus Heresy? If not, the statement that this is a no Xenos allowed product line is effectively true, even if they get the occasional footnote in the novels.

Way to ignore half of what I said. You go on with your bad self, though.

They could make xenos, eventually, but this is horus heresy not "crusades."

Has Forgeworld produced a single xenos miniature for the Horus Heresy? Have they written rules for a single xenos unit for the Horus Heresy? If not, the statement that this is a no Xenos allowed product line is effectively true, even if they get the occasional footnote in the novels.

Technically yes they produced a Davinite Serpent lodge priest as an event exclusive.

I really, really hope they sell the Tac boxes separate. I'd buy 4 then.

I am reservedly excited because it all depends on the price point on if i go "Yeeaah" or "WTF!".

Yeah... could be nice.
Could be just any other GW release

My initial enthusiasm has been reduced as I still think this will, for me, fall into the 40K trap of "the fiction is more interesting than the game".

The Heresy's key moments are either gigantic battles you'd need tens of thousands of pounds to recreate and that are typically one sided, or plots and intrigue you cannot recreate on the tabletop.

Nemesis (black library novel) has a key moment that you cannot recreate on the tabletop, in a way it's a turning point for the story at that stage.

If you replay Battle for the Abyss then basically the loyalists die. 5 word bearers versus 2 wounded loyaists Word /bearer win.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:


The Heresy's key moments are either gigantic battles you'd need tens of thousands of pounds to recreate
.

Or not..

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/667767.page

What is it with dozens of people feeling the need to comment how they are not going to buy this?

Does this happen in threads about non-GW releases too?

Because commenting a new product is ALWAYS positive, right?

If coke releases a new coke made out of turds.. would you only expect positive replies?

well, i'll be buying it...
plastic mkiv, Praetors, Contemptor, and Cataphracti...
what's not to like

the basic plastic Marines will give me enough minis to paint one of each legion...
i've always thought that a Space Wolves Cataphracti squad would be fun to convert, after drooling over the Visions of Heresy books...
two characters and a Contemptor nice additions to my collection...

less than two weeks to go!!!
i hope we get some awesome leaks next week...

cheers
jah

RoninXiC wrote:
Because commenting a new product is ALWAYS positive, right?

If coke releases a new coke made out of turds.. would you only expect positive replies?

A) We haven't actually seen the product yet.

B) I don't have a problem with negative comments,

C) I am simply intriqued that "I won't buy comments" (without being actually based on the product, see A.), seem more prevalent here than ... say ... the thread about the latest Warmachine release.

It's puzzlement about distribution of no-buy-claims, not about negativity or criticism.

Wonderwolf wrote:
What is it with dozens of people feeling the need to comment how they are not going to buy this?

Does this happen in threads about non-GW releases too?

And yes, go view any other thread. There's quite a mix of opinions, positive and negative. It's almost like this was is discussion board that encourages debating opinions and releases, speculating on what's happening, etc. If you prefer the "Everything's fine, nothing's wrong" line, you can always start a blog and restrict comments.

I'm not a fan of the constant negativity against GW, but I have no problem at all with people saying they aren't buying this... Seems to me they're just sharing their initial impression and gut reaction, not trying to be downers for no reason. Both negative and positive opinions should be welcome as long as they don't devolve into trolling.

You have to admit it's odd for people to shun a product we know nothing about beyond the theme. And comparing Horus Heresy to poop is especially egregious.

Wonderwolf wrote:
What is it with dozens of people feeling the need to comment how they are not going to buy this?

Does this happen in threads about non-GW releases too?

Yes.

By the way, since you seem interested on the issue, I won't be buying this. Perhaps if the traitors models catch my eye, I'll try to get them from eBay after a while.

 -DE- wrote:
You have to admit it's odd for people to shun a product we know nothing about beyond the theme. And comparing Horus Heresy to poop is especially egregious.

Well we have seen the sprue for the marines, we most probably know the approximate box contents, we know it's a new game, we know the setting and the armies involved... that's quite a lot of information I'd say! What we don't know is if it's a one-off board game or the start of a new range.

Do we know if it's going to be a limited starter set or a collection of boxes that will go on sale X months in the future?

Nothing much has been said, but lots of assumptions are making me worried I'll miss out on a pre-order of the whole shebang.

 Mymearan wrote:

 -DE- wrote:
You have to admit it's odd for people to shun a product we know nothing about beyond the theme. And comparing Horus Heresy to poop is especially egregious.

Well we have seen the sprue for the marines, we most probably know the approximate box contents, we know it's a new game, we know the setting and the armies involved... that's quite a lot of information I'd say!

We don't *know*, it is *speculated*. A big difference. Those sprues might not even be from this particular box set, their exact number and combination is unknown, we don't know if it's a standalone game or a 40K variant, and the UM/WB matchup might simply boil down to official paintjobs, with no iconography on models, and be thus irrelevant.

Most of all, we don't know the price tag, which will be a deal clincher or breaker for many, myself included.

 -DE- wrote:


We don't *know*, it is *speculated*. A big difference. Those sprues might not even be from this particular box set, their exact number and combination is unknown, we don't know if it's a standalone game or a 40K variant, and the UM/WB matchup might simply boil down to official paintjobs, with no iconography on models, and be thus irrelevant.

Most of all, we don't know the price tag, which will be a deal clincher or breaker for many, myself included.

Indeed, and in the absence of fact, who doesn't enjoy indulging in a bit of gossip and speculation!

 AlexHolker wrote:

shade1313 wrote:

PalmerC wrote:
Thats a fair point although I have seen many posts that stated Heresy has no Xenos in various places over the last six months.

They can state that, but saying something doesn't make it so, at least not if you view the Horus Heresy as both the BL books and the FW game and minis.

Has Forgeworld produced a single xenos miniature for the Horus Heresy? Have they written rules for a single xenos unit for the Horus Heresy? If not, the statement that this is a no Xenos allowed product line is effectively true, even if they get the occasional footnote in the novels.

yes, the two ruin storm deamon princes, its a xenos army (deamons are xenos technically), other than that, nope.

Demons aren't xenos, they're demons! Otherwise Ordo Malleus and Ordo Xenos would be the same.

heres the funny thing, my local FLGS owner posted up the trailer for us and basically said "heres the new trailer, but you guys have been talking about this release for the last year, so yeah... at least you now have a date"

We are going to be running demo games and are making an instvaan table for the release day, we, with the owner, are going to be pushing this as the replacement game to AOS as fantasy is dead in our area due to AOS, so even IF its a stand alone (its not), it will allow access to HH for newcomers to play and enter the Heresy

 Mymearan wrote:
Demons aren't xenos, they're demons! Otherwise Ordo Malleus and Ordo Xenos would be the same.

Well, technically daemons in 40k are basically alien creatures that live in the Warp. Sort of, at the same time not. But I can imagine this being debatable.

 Formosa wrote:
heres the funny thing, my local FLGS owner posted up the trailer for us and basically said "heres the new trailer, but you guys have been talking about this release for the last year, so yeah... at least you now have a date"

We are going to be running demo games and are making an instvaan table for the release day, we, with the owner, are going to be pushing this as the replacement game to AOS as fantasy is dead in our area due to AOS, so even IF its a stand alone (its not), it will allow access to HH for newcomers to play and enter the Heresy

Oh, that's cool! Hope you lot have fun!

 zedmeister wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:
What is it with dozens of people feeling the need to comment how they are not going to buy this?

Does this happen in threads about non-GW releases too?

And yes, go view any other thread. There's quite a mix of opinions, positive and negative. It's almost like this was is discussion board that encourages debating opinions and releases, speculating on what's happening, etc. If you prefer the "Everything's fine, nothing's wrong" line, you can always start a blog and restrict comments.

I believe he already tried that and gave up on it for some unknown reason.

But yes, this is a discussion forum, and as long as the comments both 'for' and 'against' stay within the rules of the site, everything's OK.

And if for some reason anyone thinks one isn't - report it using the Mod Alert button.

Thanks!

Any delicious piccies yet? (apart from the sprues we saw months ago)