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 Pacific wrote:
I do wonder if the boat has sailed though, and some time ago.

It sounds like this may be too late for you but how many potential customers have "been there, done that" when it comes to HH? Even those who have, through FW, will welcome the opportunity to affordably fill out their ranks. I don't think we can say the "boat has sailed" just because a (very) few intrepid modelers like yourself had the skill, time, interest, and financial wherewithal to custom build Pre-Heresy or Heresy-era armies out of 40k parts.

While do people still whine about GW's pricing?
This is by no means a new thing.
No one likes it, but its there.

So he's, in the world of GW £90 is an absolute steal.

If you rather pay FW prices then don't let me stop you, you are more than welcome to.
I would rather buy them at an insanely cheap price and GS salamanders details on them all.


Also, don't forget its rare we get a box which can be used for a single army, rather than 2.
So you can build 2 or have a single larger army as a start to 30k.
This again adds more value to it for me.

Technically, every starter box they've ever sold can now be used to make a "single" army with the stupid ally/detachment rules. Also, people still whine because it is no more pleasant to drop a hammer on your foot and break toes the 10th time around than it is on the first and it's still painful if you only break a single toe as well.

Just a reminder that we need to stay on-topic. This is not the place to have a discussion about GW's prices generally. We don't even know the cost of this product yet, much less whether it will spawn a line of Catphract unit boxes, etc. Going by the AoS starter, we might speculate that it will be "cheaper" to buy the contents in the starter than in separate unit boxes. Whether those prices are low enough is a subject for another thread, which someone can feel free to start in the General Discussion board. Thanks.


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 Jackal wrote:
Also, don't forget its rare we get a box which can be used for a single army, rather than 2.
So you can build 2 or have a single larger army as a start to 30k.
This again adds more value to it for me.

Me, too. At this point, I am looking at getting two boxes. I don't know if that means I'll do one legion or two. I have always had a hard time choosing a single legion -- I have a lot of love for III, XII, XIV, and XVI. I also like Thousand Sons a lot but I'd rather wait for FW for those guys.

 -DE- wrote:
Eisenkern Stormtroopers are stand-ins for imperial guardsmen, it's the Valkirs who are the space marine equivalents. And if you compare the prices, DFG models are only a tiny bit cheaper than GW. And only if you happen to live in the States, otherwise they're more expensive with less options and bits. Hardly a bargain.

i realized i had used the wrong box as a comparison as i was falling asleep...
that's what i get for posting at 4am, after a long night of painting...
at least i got to drift off dreaming about pre-ordering my box of plastic crack next week

Edit: sorry, Manchu...
we were posting at the same time...

looking at the sprues again, i am really excited...
there are a lot of great bits on there...

cheers
jah

I think I'll buy one. I sold my Space Marines off years ago, and as this would be the only set I own, it would be nostalgic.

I can't see it expanding significantly beyond the boxset though- Horus Heresy is too expensive to get into for what is essentially the same game that's been cleaned up (by removing all non-human forces). And if AOS is anything to go by, then the future releases are going to contrast this boxset by being water-spurting-level expensive.

I am officially hyped for this. I am debating between making them Luna Wolves from Istvaan III (it would give me a reason to get the Abaddon v. Loken models), or Thousand Sons. I am leaning towards the Luna Wolves.

 Ironwill13791 wrote:
I am officially hyped for this. I am debating between making them Luna Wolves from Istvaan III (it would give me a reason to get the Abaddon v. Loken models), or Thousand Sons. I am leaning towards the Luna Wolves.

Just a fluff nitpick, they were Sons of Horus at Istvaan III, not Luna Wolves.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Ironwill13791 wrote:
I am officially hyped for this. I am debating between making them Luna Wolves from Istvaan III (it would give me a reason to get the Abaddon v. Loken models), or Thousand Sons. I am leaning towards the Luna Wolves.

Just a fluff nitpick, they were Sons of Horus at Istvaan III, not Luna Wolves.

Yar. Sons of Horus was right around Davin, yes?

 warboss wrote:

 namiel wrote:

Sad Panda wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:
I wonder if this will lead into a 30k game that will use more of an AoS rule system?

There is no separate 30K wargame. There is no third GW main game.

I think people still underestimate how much GW is into AoS. AoS is going to be big - very big - for christmas. And early 2016. AoS is still the main show.

I think gw still underestimates how little a VAST majority of us care...

They won't have to estimate anything come February as they'll have the numbers by then and will have to post them for us soon after. I doubt they'll break up the sales between the various lines (they've never done that in the past) but it would be nice to see how AOS fares against the shrinking 40k fanbase.

@Sad Panda: I'm not sure what you mean above. Are you pointing out that thinking of HH/30k as a third keystone system to replace LOTR is incorrect? Or that the HH/30k game is just a one off board game like that assassin thing and not a new whole line of products?

Probably just what it says -- there will be no GW HH game sold in GW stores alongside 40K and AoS.

FW will continue doing its thing, and GW will produce this board game first, then later sell the sprues separately for interested 30K or 40K players. So this stuff may replace the Hobbit in terms of shelf space, but not in terms of being a new core game.

If that's accurate, it's pretty much the best outcome for my interests.


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 Accolade wrote:
I think I'll buy one. I sold my Space Marines off years ago, and as this would be the only set I own, it would be nostalgic.

I can't see it expanding significantly beyond the boxset though- Horus Heresy is too expensive to get into for what is essentially the same game that's been cleaned up (by removing all non-human forces). And if AOS is anything to go by, then the future releases are going to contrast this boxset by being water-spurting-level expensive.

Like I said, I'm hoping for a plastic Spartan.

To me, that doesn't seem like an outlandish possibility, given GW's love of bigger kits and the fact that both 30K and 40K players could use them in their armies.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Ironwill13791 wrote:
I am officially hyped for this. I am debating between making them Luna Wolves from Istvaan III (it would give me a reason to get the Abaddon v. Loken models), or Thousand Sons. I am leaning towards the Luna Wolves.

Just a fluff nitpick, they were Sons of Horus at Istvaan III, not Luna Wolves.

Didn't the loyalists of the Sons of Horus revert back to Luna Wolves once they were betrayed on Istvaan III (although they got wiped out pretty much per the plan of Horus)?

 Ironwill13791 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Ironwill13791 wrote:
I am officially hyped for this. I am debating between making them Luna Wolves from Istvaan III (it would give me a reason to get the Abaddon v. Loken models), or Thousand Sons. I am leaning towards the Luna Wolves.

Just a fluff nitpick, they were Sons of Horus at Istvaan III, not Luna Wolves.

Didn't the loyalists of the Sons of Horus revert back to Luna Wolves once they were betrayed on Istvaan III (although they got wiped out pretty much per the plan of Horus)?

They did, though only in name. I am certain they kept the green armour of the SOH.

Nocturnus wrote:

 Ironwill13791 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Ironwill13791 wrote:
I am officially hyped for this. I am debating between making them Luna Wolves from Istvaan III (it would give me a reason to get the Abaddon v. Loken models), or Thousand Sons. I am leaning towards the Luna Wolves.

Just a fluff nitpick, they were Sons of Horus at Istvaan III, not Luna Wolves.

Didn't the loyalists of the Sons of Horus revert back to Luna Wolves once they were betrayed on Istvaan III (although they got wiped out pretty much per the plan of Horus)?

They did, though only in name. I am certain they kept the green armour of the SOH.

Yah, I Imagen they didn't have the time or enough white paint laying around to fix that. XP What with all the virus bombing and fighting to survive going on.

Looks cool. May buy 2 and part one out to fund keeping one.

 gorgon wrote:


Probably just what it says -- there will be no GW HH game sold in GW stores alongside 40K and AoS.

FW will continue doing its thing, and GW will produce this board game first, then later sell the sprues separately for interested 30K or 40K players. So this stuff may replace the Hobbit in terms of shelf space, but not in terms of being a new core game.

If that's accurate, it's pretty much the best outcome for my interests.

Pretty much this.

It may well replace LotR in shelf space, from the perspective of a store manager. I wouldn't know.

Just don't expect a full-blown (or AoS-minimized) new set of wargaming rules.

They way they've been adding models to 40k and AoS, I imagine they'll remove Hobbit from the shelves to make room for those two.

Yeah - I thought we already 'knew' that?

Also, seemed to remember someone mentioning crossover kits - i.e. branded 40k but with 30k compatible logos?

Huh, the cover is somewhat reminicant of the old Epic Space Marine box cover.

I already have too many Space Marines, but yet this set intrigues me. Price will be the determining factor, and sadly that'll probably make this a 'nope'.

 gorgon wrote:


Like I said, I'm hoping for a plastic Spartan.

To me, that doesn't seem like an outlandish possibility, given GW's love of bigger kits and the fact that both 30K and 40K players could use them in their armies.

My pipe dreams for future releases are the Spartan, and the Storm Eagle. Or an SE/Fire Raptor combo kit.

Lot of other stuff I could add, but those are the big bits of wishful thinking for me.

shade1313 wrote:

 gorgon wrote:


Like I said, I'm hoping for a plastic Spartan.

To me, that doesn't seem like an outlandish possibility, given GW's love of bigger kits and the fact that both 30K and 40K players could use them in their armies.

My pipe dreams for future releases are the Spartan, and the Storm Eagle. Or an SE/Fire Raptor combo kit.

Lot of other stuff I could add, but those are the big bits of wishful thinking for me.

don't expect a plastic Spartan that soon - they recently made the sides new (with tracks on it) and we should get a command Spartan from FW too^^

 Accolade wrote:
I think I'll buy one. I sold my Space Marines off years ago, and as this would be the only set I own, it would be nostalgic.

No man.. don't!!!!!!!!!!

You are free, and untainted by GW.. do not go gently back like a sheep that sees finer grass o'er there..

It would be interesting if a Horus Heresy game with it's own set of rules became their third game in place of LoTR/Hobbit. Right now it basically seems like their third game is selling minis for Kings of War.

 Atia wrote:

shade1313 wrote:

 gorgon wrote:


Like I said, I'm hoping for a plastic Spartan.

To me, that doesn't seem like an outlandish possibility, given GW's love of bigger kits and the fact that both 30K and 40K players could use them in their armies.

My pipe dreams for future releases are the Spartan, and the Storm Eagle. Or an SE/Fire Raptor combo kit.

Lot of other stuff I could add, but those are the big bits of wishful thinking for me.

don't expect a plastic Spartan that soon - they recently made the sides new (with tracks on it) and we should get a command Spartan from FW too^^

I don't. I expect a LOT of things, if anything further at all, before the stuff I really want like flyers and Spartans.

Manchu wrote:

 Motograter wrote:
Its just very dull

I think there are three issues at play: First, a plastic HH release is an event of near-mythical for a lot of us; we have to understand that whatever GW does is not going to measure up to so many years of dreaming. Second, no matter how you look at it, this is a SM release and that ground is well-trodden to say the least. Third, all we have right now is a lame teaser and some incredibly bad photos. Once we have actual professional photos of this stuff, including 360 degree spin photos, I think it will be a lot more exciting!

Possibly yes. Though nothing will change how awful the contemptor looks.

I and many others have been waiting years for plastic heresy stuff. I think its safe to say its just very hmmm. Maybe with FW doing the heresy for a few years now its just diluted it all and its just not as exciting as it used to be

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

 Jackal wrote:
I don't get the price issues.
£90 is a steal for it.

Just the TAC marines alone would run you £144 plus weapons.

Ah yes... the fallacy that what we're currently paying for GW figure boxes (such as terminators etc) is normal price, so these starter sets must be a bargain. Same with the AoS box set.

:-(

Fallacy? Nah.

If you want decent heresy marines, you'd need to go to FW. These GW Heresy minis, although most likely inferior to FW, still save you money in that aspect. GW hobbies are expensive. Nobody twists your arm to buy &/or play. So, I was about to place an order with FW recently for the same minis that GW is about to release. FW = $496.20 usd. GW = $150 USD (majority guess). So that is a deal! However, what people pay for GW minis on a normal purchase is outrageous. It is the hobby we chose though. I find alternate ways to buy GW product and save 20-40% typically.


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I only wish GW released the 30k minis by themselves. No need for a board, cards, etc... I will use the minis with the FW 30k books....

Did you hear the whistling noise as the point he was making went sailing over your head?

I may just try to sell my 8000 points of Imperial Fists to get this and start 30k. Very exciting and a nice way to start into 30k

shade1313 wrote:

 gorgon wrote:


Like I said, I'm hoping for a plastic Spartan.

To me, that doesn't seem like an outlandish possibility, given GW's love of bigger kits and the fact that both 30K and 40K players could use them in their armies.

My pipe dreams for future releases are the Spartan, and the Storm Eagle. Or an SE/Fire Raptor combo kit.

Lot of other stuff I could add, but those are the big bits of wishful thinking for me.

I wouldn't hold your breath, especially for a plastic Spartan. As was mentioned, FW just redid the track sections.

Nocturnus wrote:

shade1313 wrote:

 gorgon wrote:


Like I said, I'm hoping for a plastic Spartan.

To me, that doesn't seem like an outlandish possibility, given GW's love of bigger kits and the fact that both 30K and 40K players could use them in their armies.

My pipe dreams for future releases are the Spartan, and the Storm Eagle. Or an SE/Fire Raptor combo kit.

Lot of other stuff I could add, but those are the big bits of wishful thinking for me.

I wouldn't hold your breath, especially for a plastic Spartan. As was mentioned, FW just redid the track sections.

Yes, thank you, I know. Part of why I said "pipe dreams".