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 Kilkrazy wrote:
Guys, would you all please stick to the topic or shall I lock it?

Bop it!

Requizen wrote:
Any 40k SM players, would this be a decent way to start an army? If, of course, one was not going Bikes, because that would be something completely different.

Would this be a decent start if I just wanted to start a Codex SM force? Or maybe a Dark Angels Greenwing?

It would be a great start. Not only is it a good deal, but it it would make your army look amazing and more unique.

frankr wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Any 40k SM players, would this be a decent way to start an army? If, of course, one was not going Bikes, because that would be something completely different.

Would this be a decent start if I just wanted to start a Codex SM force? Or maybe a Dark Angels Greenwing?

If I was just starting 40k or I was starting a new 40k army, I would get one. It is a very good value and you'll have the bodies to make just about any infantry you want.
You'll need to buy the vehicles you want, and may need to bitz order some things to fill out the individual squads.

-frank

I'd use it as a foundation for a new space marine army just on the basis that I really like MK IV armour. In terms of value though, the characters and dreadnought aren't going to be a ton of use for vanilla space marines, so you're really talking about £95 for three tactical boxes and a terminator box, which would normally be £103. I expect you could trade the contemptor away for something vanilla like a rhino.

Well you could still use the dread and the characters couldn't you? The characters could just be a captain/chapter master and you can run Contemptors in 40k still.

Or do you just mean gameplay wise they aren't very good?

 ImAGeek wrote:
Well you could still use the dread and the characters couldn't you? The characters could just be a captain/chapter master and you can run Contemptors in 40k still.

Or do you just mean gameplay wise they aren't very good?

Using forge world in vanilla is a bit dependent on your local meta or whatever, so it's not something I'd recommend without knowing more. And yeah, I don't think I'd run a captain with a chainfist and a storm bolter somehow, guess the chaplain would be OK. I'd try to trade the lot for some vanilla bling, but then there'll probably be a few of them floating around with people buying multiple boxes for the marines, so...

I will say, I think most people would let you run the Contemptor as a regular dread, at least in friendly games.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Guys, would you all please stick to the topic or shall I lock it?

In a way the OT chatter is at least proving that this new product is generating interest in GW/FW's HH game.

Is GW doing something right?

frankr wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Any 40k SM players, would this be a decent way to start an army? If, of course, one was not going Bikes, because that would be something completely different.

Would this be a decent start if I just wanted to start a Codex SM force? Or maybe a Dark Angels Greenwing?

If I was just starting 40k or I was starting a new 40k army, I would get one. It is a very good value and you'll have the bodies to make just about any infantry you want.
You'll need to buy the vehicles you want, and may need to bitz order some things to fill out the individual squads.

-frank

What about CSM? I have Typhus and Zombies, and turning these guys into Death Guard/Plague Marines and Termicide seems pretty good, maybe?

Older armour is fitting for Death Guard.

 Medium of Death wrote:

Is GW doing something right?

Absolutely. People have been asking for plastic HH stuff for years, and they're finally getting it. Even the dreadnought - while it's not perfect, it is a plastic Contemptor, and it's ultimately no worse detail-wise or pose-wise than the BfM Dreadnought was.

How right will ultimately depend on whether or not the game is actually good, or just pointless box filler...

 insaniak wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:

Is GW doing something right?

Absolutely. People have been asking for plastic HH stuff for years, and they're finally getting it. Even the dreadnought - while it's not perfect, it is a plastic Contemptor, and it's ultimately no worse detail-wise or pose-wise than the BfM Dreadnought was.

How right will ultimately depend on whether or not the game is actually good, or just pointless box filler...

The fact that GW is giving people a cheap(er) way to get into Horus Heresy means they are doing something right for many people. Hell, even people who aren't interested in 30K but like the older armour marks will like this.

 insaniak wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:

Is GW doing something right?

Absolutely. People have been asking for plastic HH stuff for years, and they're finally getting it. Even the dreadnought - while it's not perfect, it is a plastic Contemptor, and it's ultimately no worse detail-wise or pose-wise than the BfM Dreadnought was.

How right will ultimately depend on whether or not the game is actually good, or just pointless box filler...

True.

The game looks like it will be better than the Assassin's game at least although that's hardly saying much.

I'm hopefully that the detail on the sprues in a good sign that these won't be going away any time soon.

I'd have been more sceptical if they'd been more like the other box set plastics.

I would be interested in seeing Financial reports on GW before and after the HH box releases(give a few months)

 Paradigm wrote:


Personally, if I were using this as a basis for a full HH army, I'd do it roughly like this:

1 box of this set, built as:

2x10 Tacticals
2x5 Tactical Support (one with full specials, 1 with full heavies. You'll need to convert/trade/buy a couple of extra guns, though)

Termies as standard
Dread with weapons of choice

Then add, from FW:
Your Legion's special unit, as there's no point playing a HH army if you can't have the cool toys!
A couple of Rhinos (might be worth waiting to see if GW comes out with plastic ones, as they're a likely candidate for plastification, I'd think)
A Land Raider for the Termies or Special Unit (a standard GW one will do, as they were definitely around in 30k)
OR a Spartan if you're wanting something massive

And if you've got any budget left, a Primarch. With the 25% Lord of War limit, and most Primarchs being around 500-600 points I think, you basically want to build an army to 1500 before you add a Primarch.

Super handy, thank you! So, as I'm going Night Lords (thanks to Kabuki's recent special offer), I presumably want a Terror Squad or two? I am pretty sure I can arrange a Land Raider...

 conker249 wrote:
I would be interested in seeing Financial reports on GW before and after the HH box releases(give a few months)

If what I heard about the number produced they should make 2.7 million USD net if they sell out.

 Zuul wrote:

 conker249 wrote:
I would be interested in seeing Financial reports on GW before and after the HH box releases(give a few months)

If what I heard about the number produced they should make 2.7 million USD if they sell out.

Net or Gross?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Zuul wrote:

 conker249 wrote:
I would be interested in seeing Financial reports on GW before and after the HH box releases(give a few months)

If what I heard about the number produced they should make 2.7 million USD if they sell out.

Net or Gross?

Net.

Well, I reckon I'll grab a box and combine it with my gakload of Mantic Zombies for some Death Guard action in 2-page 40k.

I know they should have Mk.III armor, but the price is right here...

This is what Dreadnoughts should always have looked like, if you grew up with the Space Marine/Epic system!

The more I look at the PA dudes, the worse they look though. The skinny pad rims and funky arm dimensions don't look great. Hmmm. Butt moving towards fence... indecision!

 JohnnyHell wrote:
This is what Dreadnoughts should always have looked like, if you grew up with the Space Marine/Epic system!

If you grew up with 2nd ed. 40k, THIS is what they look like:



*shudder*

 Zuul wrote:

 conker249 wrote:
I would be interested in seeing Financial reports on GW before and after the HH box releases(give a few months)

If what I heard about the number produced they should make 2.7 million USD net if they sell out.

That would be 18,000 boxes at $150?

I think it would be more boxes than that.

Edit -- oh wait, net... I'm not sure what that means. Net profit? At what price? They make a different amount of profit depending on what area of the world, whether it's through a GW store, online, or through an independent, an so on. And then we don't know what the cost of manufacture is.

 Alex C wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
This is what Dreadnoughts should always have looked like, if you grew up with the Space Marine/Epic system!

If you grew up with 2nd ed. 40k, THIS is what they look like:



*shudder*

That was Rogue Trader. 2nd ed introduced the washing machine pattern.

 insaniak wrote:

 Alex C wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
This is what Dreadnoughts should always have looked like, if you grew up with the Space Marine/Epic system!

If you grew up with 2nd ed. 40k, THIS is what they look like:



*shudder*

That was Rogue Trader. 2nd ed introduced the washing machine pattern.

actually, you both are right^^

that cute guy was introduced in rogue trader, but was still used in early second edition days - the 2nd edition BRB has him in it

The Contemptor was the prominent Dreadnought design in early 2nd edition of Epic because he was available in plastic since about 1991. There were also 6mm metal ones before it which were scaled down models of the Rogue Trader Dreadnoughts like the Deredo and also metal Contemptors. The FW Contemptor design is identical to the plastic Epic one



That sprue also contained the Chaos Androids and Chaos Dreadnoughts from Space Crusade. Chaos robots and machines were built and maintained by Chaos Squats. Quite a while ago...

The 2nd ed 40k Dreadnoughts which had been updated by Jes were transfered to Epic in 3rd Edition in 1997.

In 2010 photos on the GW blog showing the GW Design Studio rooms there was a 3up of the old plastic Epic Contemptor sitting on a shelf/top of a drawer. It's a classic design, older than the Jes Goodwin Dreadnoughts of current 40k.

I will use mine as a Venerable Dreadnought in 40k. So much better than the actual kit which I think is quite boring.

 Atia wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Alex C wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
This is what Dreadnoughts should always have looked like, if you grew up with the Space Marine/Epic system!

If you grew up with 2nd ed. 40k, THIS is what they look like:



*shudder*

That was Rogue Trader. 2nd ed introduced the washing machine pattern.

actually, you both are right^^

that cute guy was introduced in rogue trader, but was still used in early second edition days - the 2nd edition BRB has him in it

Not quite.... That round base didn't show up until much later!

All my RT-era Dreads were on 40mm square bases.

Valete,

JohnS

Yes, I remember seeing it in the rulebook and not wanting to buy it.

And this is coming from a child who was squeeing over the original Tyranid Warriors...

2nd ed. had bigger-than-infantry models on 40mm square bases too.

That model is one of the Rogue Trader Dreadnoughts

http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2024smdreadnoughts-00.htm

Atia is correct, it was available during 2nd Edition of 40k. Thats just someone putting it on a round 40mm.

Also the new Dreadnoughts in 2nd Ed even came without bases and some people like GW put it on custom square bases. See the old Bjorn model released in 1994

Warhams-77 wrote:
That model is one of the Rogue Trader Dreadnoughts

http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2024smdreadnoughts-00.htm

It was also the only one around when 2nd ed. launched, so it's both.

Correct

 Zuul wrote:
So, I just heard from a redshirt that GW has produced 18,000 boxes for the cath rollout. Hopefully everyone who wants one can get one.

Wave 2 (of the Calth boxes) is Jan 11...
(un-named source)

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