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The old thread kept getting misunderstood, here is the new backstory
Shadow's Hunters
Chapter Name: Shadow's Hunters!
Status: Labeled Heretics by some, though still technically loyal
Color Scheme: Black, Orange Shoulder Pads, Orange Details
Icon: Black or White Falcon
Battle Cry: For the Greater Good!
Founding:22
Primarch: Corax
Genetic Mutations:low psychic abilities
Home World: T'gris
Fortress Monastery: Destroyed
Active Marines: 847
Recruitment: Mostly from Gue'vesa, also others.
Chapter Master: Ra'van Al'la
Title of Chapter Master: Shas'o
Sworn Enemies: Black Legion,
Rival Chapters: Iron Hands,
Chapter Relics: Corax's Final Gift: A vial of uncorrupted Primachs Geneseed.
Perception of Humanity: Regards the Imperium as misguided. Believes that all humans serve a part in the workings of the Imperium and that all (except those tainted by chaos) should be forgiven and given second, third etc chances.Aims to convert as many humans as possible to the Greater Good!
HISTORY:
Shadow's Hunters (as in: the hunter's of shadow) are a Space Marine chapter created during the 22 found to help enforce the Blockade of the Eye of Terror.
They came into conflict with the Iron Hands after the Exterminatus was declared on a battalion of Imperial Guard, just to keep the position of a Demi Company of Iron Hands secure. The argument escalated until Gethur Soulfist, Captain of the 3rd company of Shadows Hunters, attacked, and killed, an Iron Hands battle brother. The Shadows Hunters then fled, leaving the Eye of Terror and embarking on a Crusade across the Galaxy to redeem themselves in the Eyes of the Emperor.
The Shadows Hunters fleet was then caught in a warp storm, disappearing for ten years, only to reappear in Tau Space, almost on the other side of the Galaxy. The fleet crashed on the Dwarf Planet T'gris V, where the Shadows Hunters built there Fortress Monastery, unbeknownst to the that there in tire Chapters fate would soon change.
It was many years later, that the planet came under attack by the Last Sons of Tagrion, a warband of Chaos Space Marines. The inscription on the Rock of Tolan tells of the battle that ensured. Thousand and thousands of Chaos Cultists, marines, Summoned Daemons , and unholy machines ran rampant across the sands of T'gris. When all seemed lost, salvation
came from the sky.
Tau.
While I don't really like your fluff (I hate fan-fic in general, and this is very fan-ficcy...), I don't see why Tau Marines are off limits.
If Space Marines can turn renegade and become loyal to Chaos, or become pirates and reaiders, then I don't see why they couldn't join the Tau instead.
Again, I don't like your backstory at all, but if I was to make a change, I would alter the founding chapter to the Salamanders. They're known as the most compassionate legion, and the one that most closely believes in a greater good concept of all the marines. It's more believable than the Raven Guard.
I don't see what's so fan-fic about this, tbh. The Chapter isn't described as the best of the best, they don't have a Draigo-level commander and they don't pack more hardware and relics than the Blood Angels.
Even having a vial of uncorrupted geneseed from the Primarch is possible though very unlikely - Corax was allowed to retreive a sample from the Emperor's laboratory in an effort to correct some flaw in the geneseed of his Legion. But that sample was supposedly daemon-tainted before he used it.
Spetulhu wrote: I don't see what's so fan-fic about this, tbh. The Chapter isn't described as the best of the best, they don't have a Draigo-level commander and they don't pack more hardware and relics than the Blood Angels.
Even having a vial of uncorrupted geneseed from the Primarch is possible though very unlikely - Corax was allowed to retreive a sample from the Emperor's laboratory in an effort to correct some flaw in the geneseed of his Legion. But that sample was supposedly daemon-tainted before he used it.
It isn't as mary-sue as it originally was, but it still reads like an amateur composition.
You did a great job with how they went renegade, but something to remember is that Chaos hasn't even enountered the Tau yet, so it's doubtful that the two would enounter eachother in the Taus' corner of space. Of course now, you could write a short-story featuring the interactions between the Space Marine-Tau interactions, how the Tau reacted to literal reality-bending monstrosities, and how the Tau reacted to the Astartes' explanations of the Tau. That would be a very interesting read.
Honestly, the only real issue that I can see with this story is that's under-developed; it needs maybe another one or two paragraphs, maybe something about how the Astartes found the Tau treatment of "lesser" members of society to be far more preferable than the standard Imperial approach. Just needs to be fleshed out, really.
To quote a fictional character... "Let's make this fun!"
Tactical_Spam wrote: There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
Im thinking of Having them want to revert to the old days of the Imperium, where mankind was open to change, before the heresy. And I don't mean just KILL DEM HERETIKZZZZ!!!! There are others holding us back (I'm looking at you, Adeprus Ministorium). Maybe it IS time for a new emperor.
Power armour requires advanced parts, very high quality stuff, nothing some mere tau engineer could make instantly. Need forgeworld.
Bolters, bolt rounds, ships, all need to be built and maintained.
As it stands there heretics for the even talking with Tau yet alone allied.
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
It is likely that the Earth Caste would, eventually, be able to reverse-engineer damaged suits of Power Armor in order to fashion new parts to repair the still-existing suits or to fabricate new suits. Same with bolters and bolt-guns and the rest of the standard SM kit, they're not *that* advanced, really.
What is less-likely is the Tau being able to figure out Astartes physiology and biology in time to recreate the drugs all Astartes need to keep their additional organs and biological systems from getting out of whack and mutating to a point where it either kills or seriously messes-up the Astartes himself. Even with an Apothecary present, the resources to make those drugs might not be.
It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised.
How did the Tau get there in time? They travel in psuedo-realspace that still takes months/years.
Space Marines who toss aside their loyalty so fast pretty much are pretty much Chaotic at that point, too wishy-washy.
How did Chaos not notice the Tau?
"Exterminatus was declared on a battalion of Imperial Guard, just to keep the position of a Demi Company of Iron Hands secure."
This line makes no sense how does it work?
Your line about perception of humanity also makes no sense. You already described how the Imperium works, everyone has a spot in machine, you can feth up, but when you do expect there to be repentance.
Just cut to the chase and say the Tau put mind-control units on their heads like they did to the Vespid and call it a day.
The Inquisition would have terminated this Chapter upon it's Tau alliegiance. Also, you dont explain how the Tau help at all and the unlikely circumstances in which the Tau would EVER help the Imperium.
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EmberlordofFire8 wrote: Im thinking of Having them want to revert to the old days of the Imperium, where mankind was open to change, before the heresy. And I don't mean just KILL DEM HERETIKZZZZ!!!! There are others holding us back (I'm looking at you, Adeprus Ministorium). Maybe it IS time for a new emperor.
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jhe90 wrote: How does it maintain its weapons and armour?
Power armour requires advanced parts, very high quality stuff, nothing some mere tau engineer could make instantly. Need forgeworld.
Bolters, bolt rounds, ships, all need to be built and maintained.
As it stands there heretics for the even talking with Tau yet alone allied.
Power Armour is built by Tech-Marines as often as not, so, logically, the Chapter could produce parts via Tech-Marines. Also, the Chapter is self-sufficient, it makes its own Bolts (well, most of them do, anyways). Ships would be able to maintained by the Serfs and Tech-Marines of the Chapter, like every other Chapter ever. Should a ship be destroyed, it could be replaced by a Tau ship.
Also, if this were to happen, the Marines would supply the Tau with FTL Drives that are actually competent, not to mention Navigators. This would cause Tau expansion to explode.
To quote a fictional character... "Let's make this fun!"
Tactical_Spam wrote: There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
jhe90 wrote: How does it maintain its weapons and armour?
Power armour requires advanced parts, very high quality stuff, nothing some mere tau engineer could make instantly. Need forgeworld.
Bolters, bolt rounds, ships, all need to be built and maintained.
As it stands there heretics for the even talking with Tau yet alone allied.
Power Armour is built by Tech-Marines as often as not, so, logically, the Chapter could produce parts via Tech-Marines. Also, the Chapter is self-sufficient, it makes its own Bolts (well, most of them do, anyways). Ships would be able to maintained by the Serfs and Tech-Marines of the Chapter, like every other Chapter ever. Should a ship be destroyed, it could be replaced by a Tau ship.
Also, if this were to happen, the Marines would supply the Tau with FTL Drives that are actually competent, not to mention Navigators. This would cause Tau expansion to explode.
A Navigator given to the Tau is a Navigator not aboard an Astartes vessel. These people are specifically created and bred, not built.
Main point being, you cannot "train" someone to be a Navigator. They're a specific breed of Human Mutant that possesses a third eye in their forehead that allows them to perceive the Warp (and thus the Astronomican). The Navis Nobilitae Houses are older than the Imperium itself, stretching back to the Dark Age of Technology.
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It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised.
"The cresent shaped ships drop upon the battlefield, weapons firing repeatedly. The heretics, surprised by this new shift in their sure victory, where slow to reconise the new threat, and many where cut down by blasts from the ships, or else quickly dispatched by our brothers. Those who survived the first onslaught stood in shock as all they had accomplished in the name of their dark gods crumbled. The battle was over within minutes."
Captain Devan, 6th Company.
"As the last cultist lay dying, the ships descended. The smallest [actually an Orca dropship] landed just meters from our Chapter Master. The bay dors opend, and from its hold came Xenos. The foremost, obviously the leader, halted, and without signal, the rest formed colums behind him. He spoke, surprisingly, in near perfect Low Gothic. 'I am Por'ui T'ren Resh'ur, envoy from the venerable Shas'el Kel'shan An'ir, Veteran of the 1 sphere expansion and She Who Walks Alone."
At this our [Chapter] Master replied: "We are Shadow's Hunter, descendants of Corvus Corax, and Space Marines of our noble Father, the God Emperor of Mankind. And thus, in the course of a fortnight, an alliance was forge that would change the course of our history."
Sergeant Toren , later Tau'ren.
Now some answers to questions
How did the Tau get there in time
The dwarf planet T'gris is near the Western Veil Nebula, in Tau Space. The battle lasted for over a month before the Tau arrived.
How do we maintain ourselves?
Tigris receives most of its recources from allied Earth Caste, train by our Techmarines to produce Space Marine weapons, and by our apothecarys to produce drugs.
Its ok to give things another try, but IMHO you try too hard to stuff Space Marines into a xeno empire .
EmberlordofFire8 wrote: The old thread kept getting misunderstood, here is the new backstory
Status: Labeled Heretics by some, though still technically loyal
They wouldn't be labeled Heretics, they would be traitoris extremis and hunted down by fellow Space marines and the =I= alike.
Battle Cry: For the Greater Good!
Not For the Emperor ? Extra Heretical , I say
Recruitment: Mostly from Gue'vesa, also others.
Others? Gue - what?
Title of Chapter Master: Shas'o
Wouldn't a Chapter Master keep his title, like any other not-a-Tau would keep his native title ?
Chapter Relics: Corax's Final Gift: A vial of uncorrupted Primachs Geneseed.
Corax lost what he got from the Emperor ( until the story progresses and the RG retireves the stuff from the AL ). Uncorrupted Geneseed isn't handeds out like candy. If there is some.
Perception of Humanity: Regards the Imperium as misguided. Believes that all humans serve a part in the workings of the Imperium and that all (except those tainted by chaos) should be forgiven and given second, third etc chances.Aims to convert as many humans as possible to the Greater Good!
The greater good is not a second or third chance, its a trap! Corax sons would try to take tyrants down ( bad news for the etherals ) and aim for survival of mankind ( so bad news for xenos who attack them ). The removal of a greater evil, called Tau Empire, is surely on the Map of the successors of the Raven Guard Space Marines Legion.
Shadow's Hunters (as in: the hunter's of shadow) are a Space Marine chapter created during the 22 found to help enforce the Blockade of the Eye of Terror. They came into conflict with the Iron Hands after the Exterminatus was declared on a battalion of Imperial Guard, just to keep the position of a Demi Company of Iron Hands secure. The argument escalated until Gethur Soulfist, Captain of the 3rd company of Shadows Hunters, attacked, and killed, an Iron Hands battle brother. The Shadows Hunters then fled, leaving the Eye of Terror and embarking on a Crusade across the Galaxy to redeem themselves in the Eyes of the Emperor.
A Captain, unable to solve an argument without violence isn't worth his title. One dead marine wouldn't make a whole chapter flee.
It was many years later, that the planet came under attack by the Last Sons of Tagrion, a warband of Chaos Space Marines. The inscription on the Rock of Tolan tells of the battle that ensured. Thousand and thousands of Chaos Cultists, marines, Summoned Daemons , and unholy machines ran rampant across the sands of T'gris
. Traitor vs Loyalists is common. But maybe you need a U-Turn? a 180° move? CSM building an outpost close to Tau and staying there is more likely than Loyalists hiding somewhere.
Tau use a very flawed friend/foe recognition system. Colorful elves and spiky elves are the same right? So lets have a cultural exchange... CSM fleeing and building an outpost, far away from the Imperials, makes more sense. They offer to raid the Imperials and the etherals deem it a good deal to save Tau lives. The ruling caste of the Tau likes to use others as "tools". Look no further than Tau... Sure the planet is of restricted access to Tau then. CSM are identified as threat, by Humans. Can you imagine the shock and horror if some of the Humans who got " to join" the Tau Empire realize who those Space marines are? And all these Tau don't mind? because the Etherals said its all good.... You could even justify Tau vs Tau battles, Farsight vs Empire+CSM for example, because chaos is bad? Chaos cares less sabout the source of new recruts too and uses what it got.
Before any "Tau kool aid user" jumps in frothing , let me assure you if CSM got a powerful dex ( like 3rd ed ) and could support a super CC list + super shooty list combo made of chaos and Tau, people would go far to justify it, no matter if the fluff is butchered beyond recognition.
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As other have said previously I don't really like how you're trying to justify your heretical goal but after all, 40k is a fiction and nobody would stop you from doing what you want. However, I will give my opinion On this.
Space marines can fall to Chaos because its energy are so powerful it can corrupt even the mind of super indoctrinated soldiers like Space Marines. I see zero reason why SM would join such a second rank race like Tau. They have nothing to offer that can actually appeal to any decently constituted SM. Imperial forces have already fought side by side with Tau because there was no other choice (Tyrannic Wars) but none have sided with the greater good because they suddenly saw how awesome it actually was. And if IG regiments are unsensible to Tau doctrine in this particular context, I know SM won't either.
In your story, I doubt Tau would help space marines given the fact they know them since the Damocles Crusade and its aftermath (when Tau supreme commander was pratically killed by White Scars) and thus hate them. Secondly normal Space Marines would certainly thank their savior with much ressentment (no decent SM like to have his life saved by a xenos), some chapters would salute Tau's honourable ways, and then leave forever. But join them... Meh.
Regarding their "consideration" of the Imperium, well, as others said, only a handful of chapters have something near to compassion for regular humans. Keep in mind that SM are genetically engineered to fight and their minds have nothing in common with our. Their life is the Imperium and their most revered example is the Emperor. Only Chaos can change that because of its sheer power. And if a SM must sacrifice a billion of human life to get the overall military situation of the Imperium better, they will do it it, perhaps with guilty conscience but they will do it. They are programmated for that.
Well feth me sideways, your taking some liberties there son.
It wasn't misunderstood, It was just stupid is as stupid does.
If they brain wash them to resist khaos, you can sure as gak bet that the hey were all friends line isnt going to work.
Are you still trying to give your Tau some CC/meat shield ability?
I'd say whoever was their parent chapter would hunt them down, and slaughter them to a man.... but there are cases like the knights of blood
OP, just an idea to help you get into the midset of what you're insinuating: (I've got no idea of your upbringing, so please don't take whatever I say as offensive in the slightest! )
So, imagine your education. Everyday, you are drilled from your earliest days "God is good, Satan is the worst thing ever. Trust in God and he will deliver you and good things will happen." That's pretty much the upbringing in many Christian schools, but feel free to insert anything you want to replace the word Satan. You are raised from the earliest thoughts in your head to believe this, to see this as a truth, like you may see ISIS, or terrorists, or North Korea, or sandwiches, or tomatoes as evil. They just are. Then, one of these things (perhaps a giant talking tomato) come up to you and asks you to join it and fight for it. The very thing you have been drilled into your entire life, the thing that you see in horror movies and the worst thing in existence has asked you to help it. What is your response? Hint: it's most likely going to be KILL IT WITH FIRE.
That is what it's like for your Space Marines. The thing they have been raised and created to destroy is asking them to join forces permanently, with no hope of return. I really doubt that any true Space Marine would submit to the Tau THAT easily. Because like that, it really does look like a badly written, Mary-Sue fanfiction.
I hope that didn't come across as offensive or too harsh, but that's pretty much it.
Spoiler:
And yes, I really do hate tomatoes with a passion.
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"The cresent shaped ships drop upon the battlefield, weapons firing repeatedly. The heretics, surprised by this new shift in their sure victory, where slow to reconise the new threat, and many where cut down by blasts from the ships, or else quickly dispatched by our brothers. Those who survived the first onslaught stood in shock as all they had accomplished in the name of their dark gods crumbled. The battle was over within minutes."
Captain Devan, 6th Company.
"As the last cultist lay dying, the ships descended. The smallest [actually an Orca dropship] landed just meters from our Chapter Master. The bay dors opend, and from its hold came Xenos. The foremost, obviously the leader, halted, and without signal, the rest formed colums behind him. He spoke, surprisingly, in near perfect Low Gothic. 'I am Por'ui T'ren Resh'ur, envoy from the venerable Shas'el Kel'shan An'ir, Veteran of the 1 sphere expansion and She Who Walks Alone." At this our [Chapter] Master replied: "We are Shadow's Hunter, descendants of Corvus Corax, and Space Marines of our noble Father, the God Emperor of Mankind. And thus, in the course of a fortnight, an alliance was forge that would change the course of our history." Sergeant Toren , later Tau'ren.
Now some answers to questions
How did the Tau get there in time
The dwarf planet T'gris is near the Western Veil Nebula, in Tau Space. The battle lasted for over a month before the Tau arrived.
How do we maintain ourselves? Tigris receives most of its recources from allied Earth Caste, train by our Techmarines to produce Space Marine weapons, and by our apothecarys to produce drugs.
Anything left out?
Ember
How did the Tau see the difference between loyalist and traitor? The Tau aren't very knowledgeable about the Imperium or the rest of the universe, they have little to no knowledge of Chaos. All they would see is two groups of gue'la fighting each other. Why would they aid one of those groups instead of letting them destroy each other before moving in to mop up the remnants and take the planet for themselves? And why of the two groups would they aid the Space Marines? The Tau have faced the Space Marines before and know that they are the ruthlessly loyal elite soldiers of the Imperium, and fierce enemies of the Tau. Why wouldn't they choose to aid their enemy's enemy instead?
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Iron_Captain wrote: How did the Tau see the difference between loyalist and traitor? And why wouldn't they choose to aid their enemy's enemy instead?
Good questions, granted. The Tau have fought marines before and know they are ruthless - but they also know they have some sense of honor. Maybe the Chaos forces are doing something the Tau would see as dishonorable or senseless, like poisoning water sources or executing captives?
Iron_Captain wrote: How did the Tau see the difference between loyalist and traitor? And why wouldn't they choose to aid their enemy's enemy instead?
Good questions, granted. The Tau have fought marines before and know they are ruthless - but they also know they have some sense of honor. Maybe the Chaos forces are doing something the Tau would see as dishonorable or senseless, like poisoning water sources or executing captives?
Honour yes but can be merciless in combat, will utteryl destroy there enemies and absolutely so not surrender.
They also as far as I recall changes the tau target priority to make them near the top of the list to kill, they learned very quick how dangerous they could be in battle.
There first meeting of the Impirium true firepower and strength as a huge suprise, the myths and propogandsa was to a degree true. Titans and the legendary space marines.
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
RazgrizOne wrote: Imperial forces have already fought side by side with Tau because there was no other choice (Tyrannic Wars) but none have sided with the greater good because they suddenly saw how awesome it actually was. And if IG regiments are unsensible to Tau doctrine in this particular context, I know SM won't either.
The Tau codex begs to differ.
In your story, I doubt Tau would help space marines given the fact they know them since the Damocles Crusade and its aftermath (when Tau supreme commander was pratically killed by White Scars) and thus hate them. Secondly normal Space Marines would certainly thank their savior with much ressentment (no decent SM like to have his life saved by a xenos), some chapters would salute Tau's honourable ways, and then leave forever. But join them... Meh.
The Soul Drinkers spring to mind, here; loyal to the Emperor, but not to the Imperium. If the Tau promised to restore the Emperor's vision of an unassailable, enlightened Imperium full of learning and reason, after saving the SM's lives, no less, I can think of a few Chapters who would turn. The Water Caste are renowned for their capability to turn even the most adamant to the Greater Good, theire voices supposedly are as smooth as water, and have a persuasive quality to them that even a Rogue Trader would be jealous of.
Regarding their "consideration" of the Imperium, well, as others said, only a handful of chapters have something near to compassion for regular humans. Keep in mind that SM are genetically engineered to fight and their minds have nothing in common with our.
Space Marines' minds are human, just as ours are. They could be comparable to a Spartan Hoplite, in terms of how they think, their fanatical loyalty, absolute discipline, etc. Their minds may be slightly alien due to endless indoctrination and powerful brainwashing, but they are still human. Of course, most Astartes are massive hate-monsters with only the capacity for killing, training to kill, learning how to deal death, and scheming about dealing death, but still.
Their life is the Imperium and their most revered example is the Emperor. Only Chaos can change that because of its sheer power. And if a SM must sacrifice a billion of human life to get the overall military situation of the Imperium better, they will do it it, perhaps with guilty conscience but they will do it. They are programmated for that.
Non-Chaos Renegade Marines don't exist, right? We certainly have no examples of those at all. Certainly not the Flame Falcons, Soul Drinkers, Graven Specres, or Venom Thorns, definitely not. Nope, never happens.
"The cresent shaped ships drop upon the battlefield, weapons firing repeatedly. The heretics, surprised by this new shift in their sure victory, where slow to reconise the new threat, and many where cut down by blasts from the ships, or else quickly dispatched by our brothers. Those who survived the first onslaught stood in shock as all they had accomplished in the name of their dark gods crumbled. The battle was over within minutes."
Captain Devan, 6th Company.
"As the last cultist lay dying, the ships descended. The smallest [actually an Orca dropship] landed just meters from our Chapter Master. The bay dors opend, and from its hold came Xenos. The foremost, obviously the leader, halted, and without signal, the rest formed colums behind him. He spoke, surprisingly, in near perfect Low Gothic. 'I am Por'ui T'ren Resh'ur, envoy from the venerable Shas'el Kel'shan An'ir, Veteran of the 1 sphere expansion and She Who Walks Alone."
At this our [Chapter] Master replied: "We are Shadow's Hunter, descendants of Corvus Corax, and Space Marines of our noble Father, the God Emperor of Mankind. And thus, in the course of a fortnight, an alliance was forge that would change the course of our history."
Sergeant Toren , later Tau'ren.
Now some answers to questions
How did the Tau get there in time
The dwarf planet T'gris is near the Western Veil Nebula, in Tau Space. The battle lasted for over a month before the Tau arrived.
How do we maintain ourselves?
Tigris receives most of its recources from allied Earth Caste, train by our Techmarines to produce Space Marine weapons, and by our apothecarys to produce drugs.
Anything left out?
Ember
How did the Tau see the difference between loyalist and traitor? The Tau aren't very knowledgeable about the Imperium or the rest of the universe, they have little to no knowledge of Chaos. All they would see is two groups of gue'la fighting each other. Why would they aid one of those groups instead of letting them destroy each other before moving in to mop up the remnants and take the planet for themselves? And why of the two groups would they aid the Space Marines? The Tau have faced the Space Marines before and know that they are the ruthlessly loyal elite soldiers of the Imperium, and fierce enemies of the Tau. Why wouldn't they choose to aid their enemy's enemy instead?
Well, it could be that the Chaos fleet tried to murder the Tau fleet, and then the Marines were in a desperate situation. It would probably be something like an Ethereal going"lightbulb! If we destroy the Chaos fleet, who happens to be attacking us, and then destroy its ground forces, we might be able to take this planet! Oh, look, it's Space Marines, and they're trying to communicate. Quick, send some heavily-guarded Water Caste ambassadors down, they might be vulnerable to suggestion!
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To quote a fictional character... "Let's make this fun!"
Tactical_Spam wrote: There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
Tau would never promise to restore initial IMperial truth doctrine not only because they don't know nothing about imperial history bit also because the vision of the Emprah was an enlightened and scentist Mankind... utterly xenophobic and dedicated to the destruction of others races perceveid as threats or rivals.
Regarding SM minds, I guess it depends on who write the fluff but still, I'd rather refuse the idea of Sm turning to such a small xenos power. Just like you recognize SM can be fanatics, I recognize some of them can be reasonable. But siding with an imperialist power aiming to absorb Mankind or destroy it, there is a huuuuuuge gap.
RazgrizOne wrote: Tau would never promise to restore initial IMperial truth doctrine not only because they don't know nothing about imperial history bit also because the vision of the Emprah was an enlightened and scentist Mankind... utterly xenophobic and dedicated to the destruction of others races perceveid as threats or rivals.
Well, of course they wouldn't pretend to restore initial Imperial Truth, they would pretend that they found some Imperial records from an ancient GC-era Imperial Cruiser, which indicated that the Xenocidal tendencies were introduced by the Ecclesiarchy, not the Emperor. They then promise to restore the Emperor's original vision of an enlightened human species without superstition or enslavement.
Regarding SM minds, I guess it depends on who write the fluff but still, I'd rather refuse the idea of Sm turning to such a small xenos power. Just like you recognize SM can be fanatics, I recognize some of them can be reasonable. But siding with an imperialist power aiming to absorb Mankind or destroy it, there is a huuuuuuge gap.
The Tau have already absorbed large populations of humans, and, according to Lexicanum, Wiki, and 1D4Chan, the Tau are significantly more likely to annex and forcefully absorb a species than to exterminate it. AFAIK, the only species that the Tau have written off as lost causes are 'Nids and Orkz. If the Tau really wanted to convince the Marines that what they were doing would be more beneficial for humanity than what the Imperium was doing, they would just have to introduce the Marines to Gue'Vesa, and/or show them human vassal-states the Tau control.
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Tactical_Spam wrote: There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
They're like that because 40k Imperium =/= 30k Imperium. Mankind went downhill quicker than a lubricated Land Speeder after Siege of Terra, with the Lubricant being the misinterpreted COHDECKS ASTAHTEEZ.
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They're like that because 40k Imperium =/= 30k Imperium. Mankind went downhill quicker than a lubricated Land Speeder after Siege of Terra, with the Lubricant being the misinterpreted COHDECKS ASTAHTEEZ.
Actually, there was a period of about 4-5k years, after the Scouring, which was a veritable golden age for the Imperium.
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Tactical_Spam wrote: There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
Nothing is impossible in 40k and that is what makes this universe so awesome. But there are minimal rules one should follow in order to stay credible and I feel this fanfic torn aprat every single thing constituting the very base of the universe. Every single part of this is jistified by "yes but my chapter is the exception to the rule"; this is not that problematic when this trick is used once or twice but here...
And just, I reckon Tau can convince human populations to join them but everybody in here knows that their utlimate goal is to replace mankind as the first galactic power. Marines knows that and as ultimate defenders of Humanity, they have very tiny chances to betray their race, their country, just to join peeople who disguise their imperialist views under an orwellian philosophy. Regular humans can be disappointed by the rule of the Administratum but Marines don't really care of social systems and imperial way of governance. They are here to fight
fight.
I know non chaotic Sm do exist but they never side with aggressive xenos powers, they are said to be traitors because of a misunderstandings, administrative rivalries and feudal prerogatives. They can have a different view of the future of Mankind, freed from the Imperium, but do you honestly think SM could think at a moment it would be better to replace the High Lords by xenos rulers? That is an utter nonsense IMHO.
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