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alex0911 wrote:

Jaxler wrote:
Most of the arguments I see are either about tau being too noble bright, being animie inspired or about them being OP and annoying to play against. Most of which I feel aren't exactly grounded in realty or are based off older versions of the game or Tau lore. I'll admit I'm a little biased as a guy who plays tau and finds Japanese history interesting, but most of the stuff people complain about usually seems a little ignorant to me, especially when it's the same complaints I've seen be put out over and over without any facts or arguments to back it up. I also wish the people who complain about tau being "weebo trash" would realize that just because something takes inspiration from eastern culture doesn't mean it takes inspiration from eastern pop culture. Also, when people still call tau OP even after necrons space marines and eldar have gotten their new codexes It makes me roll my eyes a little. I really feel tau don't deserve the disproportionate amount of spite and loathing that they get.

Yeah you are right man, ignoring cover save isnt a big deal at all in warhammer 40k...

Tau using markerlights? How rude and OP of them!! I bet some Tau players even have the audacity to bring S5 infantry weapons with them too! Next you'll get Space Marines having a 3+ armour save!

 gmaleron wrote:
How people have issue killing T3 models with a 5+ save (4+ IF they get cover potentially) that cannot move since Marker Lights are a Heavy Weapon is beyond me. Newsflash, if you kill the Pathfinders your neuter their entire army especially one that is over reliant on them...hint...hint!

Except you dont, because most competent users of Tau armies bring 2 squads of Pathfinders or Tetras and barely make ample use of their Markerlights. Why bother when you can just IA your Riptides up and nuke down squads of Terminators? This is the entire problem as to why Triptide was abusive as feth. If you honestly think Markerlights being destroyed means a Tau line of Fire Warriors won't Overwatch the living crap out of anything charging them, you're delusional and simply trying to hard to Waifu Tau.

Insert AP5 into my comment and it stays the same. And 4+ cover is rather nice at stopping a unit from getting shot off the table.

His argument is that anything can kill 5+ armor so they aren't difficult to kill but my point was that nobody ever leaves them exposed in the open, they always have them in cover of some sort and usually in a Ruins.

Tau are too good already - they don't need buffs - they will get them - once tau has access to D the game is dead...DEAD.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Tau are too good already - they don't need buffs - they will get them - once tau has access to D the game is dead...DEAD.

going by the Eldar model we should be seeing rail guns being Strength D and the riptide will become a GC

Jaxler wrote:

But if you think I've some sort of unholy plan to ruin your fun whilst I twiddle my cliche Saturday cartoon villain mustache than you must be true right?

Hey, that's his personal experience. That trumps everything. All of my experiences, everything I thought I knew before...gone, just like that. Bob knew me better than I knew myself, and all he needed to know was my choice of 40k army.

When I look in the mirror now all I can see is the twisted face of a sadistic nerd with an agenda.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Tau are too good already - they don't need buffs - they will get them - once tau has access to D the game is dead...DEAD.

Where've you been? The game's already fething dead.

Is GW going to kill it again?

Except you dont, because most competent users of Tau armies bring 2 squads of Pathfinders or Tetras and barely make ample use of their Markerlights.

I like how in the same sentence they're both competent in their list building and incompetent in that they don't make ample use of what they brought.

Why bother when you can just IA your Riptides up and nuke down squads of Terminators?

Oh, boohoo, my unit that's designed to kill TEQs at range killed TEQs at range? I feel so bad for you. Terminators are bad to begin with, but ignoring that, the IA is perfectly fine as is. Everyone who thinks it's OP needs to either play more competitively, or respond to the meta better. Sorry, but the Riptide isn't even close to the top of the cheesy list anymore. Get out of 6th edition.

This is the entire problem as to why Triptide was abusive as feth. If you honestly think Markerlights being destroyed means a Tau line of Fire Warriors won't Overwatch the living crap out of anything charging them

Charging into 48 firewarriors and 20 pathfinders gets you hit by 28 S5 hits. That's 3 dead terminators. Seems like you're just using them wrong, all things considered.

you're delusional and simply trying to hard to Waifu Tau.

Naw dude, I hate anime, I hate that people associate Tau with anime, I play them because I think close combat in futuristic combat is stupid, and because I like space communists. You're just bad at this game.

" the IA is perfectly fine as is"

It's still undercosted, especially being on an effectively immortal platform. Oh wait, Eldar can kill it. /snark

It's still cheese, just not king cheese.

 Sidstyler wrote:

Jaxler wrote:

But if you think I've some sort of unholy plan to ruin your fun whilst I twiddle my cliche Saturday cartoon villain mustache than you must be true right?

Hey, that's his personal experience. That trumps everything. All of my experiences, everything I thought I knew before...gone, just like that. Bob knew me better than I knew myself, and all he needed to know was my choice of 40k army.

When I look in the mirror now all I can see is the twisted face of a sadistic nerd with an agenda.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Tau are too good already - they don't need buffs - they will get them - once tau has access to D the game is dead...DEAD.

Where've you been? The game's already fething dead.

Is GW going to kill it again?

Yeah you are right but if we start seeing D weapons on riptides it's fethed again lol.

I think all right-thinking people on these forums are sick and tired of being told that ordinary, decent people are fed up on these forums with being sick and tired. I'm certainly not! And I'm sick and tired of being told that I am.

 Gamgee wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
They have nothing in common with Japan. At all. Imperial Japan has much more in common culturally with the Imperium of Man. I mean suicide attacks, worship of an Emperor, love of mecha, sisters of battle waifu crap.

The Tau have more in common with the Classical Greek Republic, Star Trek Federation, and Brave New World all shmushed together. Tau aren't even communist their utilitarians.

Visually they are Asian looking. That's about it.

Edit
Oh they've also been given a Japanese/Asian accent in the games as well.

....The Imperium is nothing like the Imperial Japanese Empire. It's literally the Holy Roman Empire in SPAAAACE.

Say what you will anime fan.

@Some othe rguy
Also to anyone who says Science Fiction is fantasy go to any school or literary course and say that. I fething dare you. Let's see how long you last.

There are types of science fiction that blend elements of fantasy into them and are called space operas or science fantasy. However there are hard science fiction which is based on speculative science of today. If you try and argue that even hard science fiction is "fantasy" because the events are fictional then every single book would be labeled fantasy since everything is made up except for history textbooks.

But I assume your not some sort of illiterate and can tell the difference between a genre classification and the real life definition of what a story is without getting the two confused. I hope. I've been wrong before though. Otherwise we would call any book a fantasy book with your logic. Because your confusing two different uses of the word fantasy.

How much do you even know about the HRE?


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 Tinkrr wrote:
The other thing I don't get, is why do people keep saying Japanese when Tau are a shooting army and the Chinese (who the designer said they were based on) were historically a much more advanced ranged army.

The Chinese were the ones to invent the first guns known as a "Hand Cannon" and were also the ones who had the Chu-ko-nu which was a repeating crossbow that could fire at a faster rate than any normal crossbow.

edit: On the Chu-ko-nu: "... in the hands of a trained soldier, could easily launch ten bolts in fifteen seconds.[1] In comparison, an arbalest could only deliver about two bolts a minute. "


Edit 2: I think I found our Tau:


(A soldier from the Qianlong era, by William Alexander, 1793.)

Repeating crossbows were a gag weapon and only useful due to Asian armies, especially the various Chinese kingdoms, making heavy use of lightning armored infantry. While an Arbalast was slower, it was ludicrously more powerful courtesy of it requiring a pulley system to even load the thing due to the high amounts of energy stored in the string. Those two bolts would also be casualty makers if they hit, whereas a repeating crossbow is far more likely to have its bolts glance on anything wearing half-decent armor due to less energy stored in the string.

A real shooty army of the time was the Japanese, not Chinese. The Chinese only qualified in terms of volume of fire, but it was ineffective and their firearms were a bit of a joke. Japanese firearms actually outpaced Medieval Europe until the Early Modern Era. Handgonnes such as those used by the Chinese and Europe were utterly pathetic, worthless weapons in term of actual enemy losses they might inflict. They were terror weapons- their projectiles were slow, had horrible range, terrible ballistics, and often would fail to penetrate armor.