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You think we'll see more Veermyn, or they'll just have more of the DZ stuff on offer?

I wouldn't mind an extra shredder or two...

Looking at the Warpath army lists, here is a list of 10 units we are likely to see in HIPS:

Enforcers

- Interceptor. Everything else is already done.

Forgefathers

- Brokkrs.
- Hammerfist Drop Squad.
- Tank/ APC.
- Half-track.

Veer-myn

- Creepers
- Tunneler

Plague

- 3rd Gens
- Murderbirds
- Vehicles of some sort, possibly looted Corp vehicles?

Then beyond that, Asterian droids and tank seem like an obvious choice, as does Corporation Infantry and Tanks/APCs.

I think we'll see more vehicles, at least.

Murderbirds?

That's not really what they're called, is it?

'Murderbirds' seems to be a working title.

 Alpharius wrote:
Murderbirds?

That's not really what they're called, is it?

Yep but there is no entry for them just a place holder so the name could be subject to change

Forgefathers

- Brokkrs.
- Hammerfist Drop Squad.
- Tank/ APC.
- Half-track.

Valkyrs are in need of some more models/variation as well. If I had to choose I'd take HIPS Valkyrs over Brokkrs and just take the restic Brokkrs in repacked in proper sized teams (but I hope for HIPS Brokkrs as well). I wonder if the Drop Squad will be totally new or just a Drop pack set for the Steel Warriors in metal/resin.

Damn, I was really hoping for an expansion of their corporation line. I loved those models, especially the Rangers.

I hope the Drop Squad are in similar armor to the Orbital Drop hero, Bjorn Starnafall.

I like his armor, and wouldn't mind a squad of similar guys, especially if they have some weapon options among them.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I hope the Drop Squad are in similar armor to the Orbital Drop hero, Bjorn Starnafall.

I like his armor, and wouldn't mind a squad of similar guys, especially if they have some weapon options among them.

There isn't an agree button big enough

Also I think Brokkrs will stay in restic, I'd say they're meant to be used only in low volume compared to everything in the Steel Warrior multikit. Valkyrs might go hard plastic though.

And Enforcers, possibly this 'Ajax' Siege Walker in hard plastic as well. To me if it were just a regular strider with different weapon arms it would share a unit listing like all the Iron Ancestors do, I reckon it's a similar but otherwise distinct vehicle, with its own kit coming.

I'd be all about new hard plastic plague stuff. I like the restic stuff I have enough to occasionally add to my finished pile, plastic stuff would be great.

Hard plastic Brokkrs? I'll have 800, please.

Is it bad that I want that Ajax to be even larger? Like Mars Attacks Stompy Martian robot size? I'd be alright with that.

A giant enforcer face robot that size would definitely play up to that whole psychologically imposing vibe they're supposed to have going on.

Mantic has shown that they aren't adverse to making kits that large either.

I think I'd rather have something more Strider sized, but with a more humanoid appearance. Basically, an Enforcer TAG.

Blog mentions looking into a 6x4 mat,that has my interest! A Mantic styled big mat is just what I need, decent, not amazing, but cheap.

Wonder what the cutoff for funding will be between moar better stuffs for existing armies and starting new lines for plauge, elfs etc. A lot of what they need is already done, just a few units and some face vehicles.

I'd like more 40k analogues for Enforcers, as I'll be using spess mahrines.

I believe they're supposed to be sticking hard to those first four armies right? The ones with the plastic models now, and not going for crazy stuff like Zzor or anything. A quick, tight campaign like KoW2 it was said in the news and rumors thread. So stuff for the armies in the beta rules I guess.

6x4 mat might be cool. Since I've bought a house and the mountain of debt that brings tends to keep you in one place.. I'm leaning more towards a perma-board but... I dunno... if they make the mat sexy yet affordable enough, I wouldn't mind one either.

I think the Marauders are being "twilight kinned". A complete rethink on what they are, background and range. Don't hold me to that though.

Seems a bit odd if they plan to keep them as is in Deadzone (& Dreadball?),

unless they just plan to move them more to the Deadzone look?

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Seems a bit odd if they plan to keep them as is in Deadzone (& Dreadball?),

unless they just plan to move them more to the Deadzone look?

I really hope they go for the DZ look.....

Old marauders (save the warboss/chief/leader) can fade into oblivion IMO, but I do like the look of the deadzone ones for the most part.

May as well go with a 3rd try at future space ork design, the DZ ones did'nt exactly set the world on fire. There's no getting away from goofy with orcs. Either embrace it like GW, or make them srryss bzznss....where they still look goofy. Like monkeys in business suits.

The orcs from dungeon saga look pretty good, espically the goblins. It wouldn't take much to armour them up in old corporate gear like in deadzone, just make them more serious mercs rather than comedy goons. I'd definitely bring in the hobgoblins from dz as well as demo specialists/engineers.

Theres still alot of potential out there for serious brutal scifi orcs without having to resort comedy.

What's going on is, I think, that Mantic knows full well that they can't continue to market fantasy orcs with rayguns added to the sprue; but they're also not too keen on investing in replacement plastic kits when there are more popular races still to do.

Am I really the "only" one who likes the idea of hubs/fireteams/ squads inside units?

It makes things easier I think.

 Alpharius wrote:
Murderbirds?

That's not really what they're called, is it?

I think that GW has tainted murdered the term 'Murder-Anything' forever. (Murderfang is murdering the Murderbirds with his murderclawss while in the depths of his murderlust....)

I know folks that sold off their Space Wolves after the latest codex came out....

The Auld Grump


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RoninXiC wrote:
Am I really the "only" one who likes the idea of hubs/fireteams/ squads inside units?

It makes things easier I think.

Yes, yes you are.

(My group is pretty united in loathing the mechanic. With myself being the most vocal in that regard. Grr... snarl, gnash, foam. Dang, now I've entered murderlust....)

The Auld Grump

I would love some LotR style Orcs in space. The problem is, Mantic keeps going that direction but the proportions give them tiny hands and feet and they give them idiotic tech that should be in 40k. So.. maybe the underlying theme changes for them but they are missing the point of the design phase..yet again.

I was supposed to have hit quote at some point but this was re:Mantic not getting the Marauders right.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
What's going on is, I think, that Mantic knows full well that they can't continue to market fantasy orcs with rayguns added to the sprue; but they're also not too keen on investing in replacement plastic kits when there are more popular races still to do.

I would state that as "the potential for sales in fantasy orcs with rayguns is much lower" since the Orks exist and have for 30-ish years. Models for that faction can be had from the secondary market for probably very cheap, and that makes them a less attractive option for Mantic to invest in "proper kits" for as a result.

In a Fantasy setting, greenskins are almost like the M4 Sherman is in the WW2 market; yeah there's tons of options already on the market but you need to have one for your range to tick the box because they're nearly-expected in that setting. In sci-fi they're not as ubiquitous, and their omission as a "core" race for plastic isn't going to sink a range.

Looking at it another way, if I make a space-greenskin product it will have to compete with the visually similar space-greenskins available from numerous manufacturers. Yes, the market for buyers is bigger, but so is the competition and the secondary market. Even if the product is well-done it may not be able to compete, and sometimes Mantic struggles with "well-done" making the prospects even bleaker. If I instead make space-fishpeople, the market may be smaller because it's a new concept, but if done well it can explode into an immensely profitable line (see also: Tau...which I actually wasn't thinking of when I first wrote this, I was thinking of the Naiads from KoW). No other manufacturer exists, and thus no secondary market exists. There's a similar risk that I might fumble the execution, but there's a much bigger upside if I do things right. Big home runs then make filling in those more marginal sales niches in the range a bit more viable.

It's a gamble, but I think there is at least some business logic behind that choice.

I really like the DZ Orks, so I hope they stick with that aesthetic when they do the rethink, and the DB Orks already match them.

Does Mantic still use that hybrid stuff 'restic'? I've never bothered with the Warpath figures before because of it but I'm considering backing this kickstarter.

Slipstream wrote:
Does Mantic still use that hybrid stuff 'restic'? I've never bothered with the Warpath figures before because of it but I'm considering backing this kickstarter.

They've moved a lot of their products over to regular styrene (HiPS or whatever the kids these days are calling it). They still do metals too I believe but Restic is not out of the picture completely.

Thanks for the reply! I've never been a fan of superglue on semi plastic figures.