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I played a few games vs the ravenwing of my friend and this was a joke..... Shooting attacks are a waste, except if you have ignore cover, which isnt that commun because he has a 2+ jink save that he can re-roll... Flamers are great but since they are mostly F6 ap4, it means that he can easily use his 3+ save... The whole army has T5, twin-linked plasma canon or grav guns.... The worst part is the fact that he moves 12'' which make it so hard to charge him if he plays well. Plus, if he charge you he gets hammer of wrath and with the banner he can unlock himself without any risks of failing...

So far he is 10-0 and he played vs 4 differents armies... I know, Tau are the solution but he hasn't fight them yet... Chaos space marines also have some flamers that would give him some troubles....

To be honest, i just hate playing vs that army... Even more then necrons or eldars because i can at least shoot at them and do some casualities, which is impossible vs the ravenwing...

Am i the only one who thinks that is broken???

If they're jinking they're snap firing so do very little damage shooting wise

 CrownAxe wrote:
If they're jinking they're snap firing so do very little damage shooting wise

Who cares as long as they jink, you cant kill them and they kill you slowly. Plus they get to charge you everytime ( hammer of wrath, +1 attack, ... ) and then unlock itself without any troubles...

What are you playing?

 Eldarain wrote:
What are you playing?

I played GK and AD MEC with kastelan and destroyers, which usually do really great but shooting doesnt matter and slow units means good game haha

Well then you need to find the problems with your army, i won't say L2P because ravenwing is clearly incredibly strong but if you have NO units at all in your army that can catch a fast unit then it is clearly a list problem

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GAdvance wrote:
Well then you need to find the problems with your army, i won't say L2P because ravenwing is clearly incredibly strong but if you have NO units at all in your army that can catch a fast unit then it is clearly a list problem

Well im not stupid, i know i could fit some units that could do a bit better but the results always remain the same, plus you dont make a list purely to counter some1, that isnt friendly at all my friend. Moreover, if you play at tournements and you go ahead with a list made for ravenwing and you don't face one, what is gonna happen? You will get reck...

Simple solution, dont focus on killing him, focus on Objective taking. Ad Mech as serious staying power and can be extremely hard to move if they dont want to.

Slightly more complicated answer, get some Kastellan Robots swap out their fists for the Phosphor Blasters and use their Incendine Combustors, preferably after he has already Jinked from something else, then pummel him. Now he has a 3+ re rollable Jink (still not great, but better) then focus fire that unit. The best tactic i can think of against an army this maneuverable is to stick together and focus fire units down. Thankfully you can have a ton of Grav Weapons so you can scare him.

Heavy incinerator on a nemesis dreadknight or two? He won't want to charge that, and it can catch them, especially in conjunction with other units. Teleporter would help you place that template right where you need it too.

Disclaimer : i am not a GK player. I really dont know what i'm talking about except that ive played them twice.

Ravenwing are a very nasty deathstar with their 2+ re-rollable jink. Try to focus on moving around the edges of the board to avoid charges. Also, the source of the 2+ jink is an AV10 hevicle with 3 HP. Use psychic powers or any other source of ingores cover to take it and them the rest of the deathstar down.

While the dark shroud is alive you can have all of the flamer templates you like, we'll charge anyway and you don't get overwatch.

Crazy Jay wrote:
While the dark shroud is alive you can have all of the flamer templates you like, we'll charge anyway and you don't get overwatch.

The Flamers are largely to take away your Jink.

Can we get an Ignores Cover Ordinance Weapon?

You mean GW made a really popular army even more overpowered? As they say on Canada's east coast "g'wayyy!" :-) :-) ;-)

Play CSM and spam Heldrakes. S6 AP3 flamers will wound bikers on a 3 and ignore that pesky jink save and go right through the armor too.

On a side note, as a Dark Angels player, I should definitely get more Ravenwing if they are really as scary as this thread makes them out to be!

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Play CSM and spam Heldrakes. S6 AP3 flamers will wound bikers on a 3 and ignore that pesky jink save and go right through the armor too.

On a side note, as a Dark Angels player, I should definitely get more Ravenwing if they are really as scary as this thread makes them out to be!

Seriously. Coming off 6th DA codex I'm really happy were getting our moment in the sun. Also, sorry OP, but Eldar are much more difficult than Ravenwing, with Str D Flamers and the Wraithknights.

i am happy that ravenwing are good to be honest the dark angels have NEVER had a good book up till this point, since 2nd edition our army has at best been middle of the road at times and dreadful to poor every other moment. this would be the equivalent to orks getting a highly competitive book right about now its been a long time coming and you should be happy its here. there was a time where it was downright unheard of; if you had told someone that one day the dark angels were going to be monsters they would have laughed you out of the room

anyway the ravenwings biggest issue is a sustained fight, they cant stand to sit there and have a game drag out, slow him down and wether the storm as much as possibly and he is cooked like bacon.

alex0911 wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
What are you playing?

I played GK and AD MEC with kastelan and destroyers, which usually do really great but shooting doesnt matter and slow units means good game haha

2x ML3 librarians should get you cleansing flame at least once. 2d6 heavy bolter shots ignoring cover isn't terrible at all. Purifiers come with Cleansing IIRC too, so while they're not a standard choice (unless you've got allied pods), they should do fine in a rhino.

IIRC, GK can roll div as well, so get cracking on rolling perfect timing and then putting your libby in with your grav kataphrons for filthy, filthy rape of those dirty DAngles.

 CrownAxe wrote:
If they're jinking they're snap firing so do very little damage shooting wise

The formations makes them count as having jinked for the first turn and allows them to fire full BS for that turn aswell

What armies do you play OP?

die toten hosen wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:
If they're jinking they're snap firing so do very little damage shooting wise

The formations makes them count as having jinked for the first turn and allows them to fire full BS for that turn aswell

Only if they move Flat Out or Turboboost in round 1 / 2 if they arrive then. So one round no shooting at all.

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GAdvance wrote:
Well then you need to find the problems with your army, i won't say L2P because ravenwing is clearly incredibly strong but if you have NO units at all in your army that can catch a fast unit then it is clearly a list problem

Well im not stupid, i know i could fit some units that could do a bit better but the results always remain the same, plus you dont make a list purely to counter some1, that isnt friendly at all my friend. Moreover, if you play at tournements and you go ahead with a list made for ravenwing and you don't face one, what is gonna happen? You will get reck...

Frankly 2+ rerollable saves aren't friendly either. Tailor your list, when he says he had no chance he will know how it feels.

2+ re rollables have no place in the game and this is coming from a new Dark Angels player (friend gave me a LOT of bikes and termies).

A few groups of Kastellans plonked behind an aegis will give him a headache. Skitarri in a drop pod with an omnispex and arc rifles/plasma calivers to take out the darkshroud will seriously hamper his game plan. Hell, ally an inquisitor psyker level 2, roll on divination, hope for perfect timing and attach him to a unit of grav destroyers.

Marine Bikes (and bikes in general) are fairly hard to deal with currently. They have a lot of basic buff rules coupled with their speed and relative toughness.

If youre playing him regularly try tailoring a list with what you have or simply ask him to pick a few more varied units rather than 30+ bike spam.

Sir, I do believe you need the Sicaran battletank in your life. Oh, and IA13.

Trying to imagine how you get that save. Jink + skilled rider + darkshroud + what for rerolls???

If that's the case you can focus fire down the darkshroud and whatever is giving them reroll on saves (don't know what it is) and then they just become bikers.

Ravenwing Special Rule lets them re-roll jink.

How should my Dark Eldar handle them? We don't have much ignore cover at all and none of our combat units are powerful enough to deal with the Bikers due to T5 and our S 3 and their hit'n'run.

The only thing that really jumps out at me is the Medusae, with their S 4 Ap 3 flamers, but they'd only get a single turn after they Webway portal in before they get mobbed.

Anything you can suggest apart from Eldar allies?

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
How should my Dark Eldar handle them? We don't have much ignore cover at all and none of our combat units are powerful enough to deal with the Bikers due to T5 and our S 3 and their hit'n'run.

The only thing that really jumps out at me is the Medusae, with their S 4 Ap 3 flamers, but they'd only get a single turn after they Webway portal in before they get mobbed.

Anything you can suggest apart from Eldar allies?

Isn't the jink reroll on turn 1 only? Is that right?

DE are designed as a deep striking army. Just don't deploy much on turn 1.

No a turn one Jink re-roll still allows them to fire at full BS.

If it's turn 1 only, simply ignore the bikes turn 1 and focus your fire on everything else. I took out a darkshroud and 2 landspeeders with a mob of 30 or Boyz and shootas. He decided not to jink because "ork shooting" and I got a little lucky and glanced the lot to death with 60 shots.

OP, since you're playing Grey Knights, what about the Land Raider Redeemer?
Two Flamestorm Cannons seem like the perfect weapon to take down Marine Bikes (including Ravenwing) and they're immune to Plasma due to AV14 all around.
That said, they're expensive and would be very much still vulnerable to Grav Guns.