Xenos races right NOW in 2015.

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**Otto Weston**

Furyou Miko wrote:
Wyzilla wrote:

Depends on the source, other numbers for the total of Imperial planets has gone into the billions. Although that's still incredibly tiny.

What source?

One million space marines, one planet per space marine, that's the traditional numeration for the Imperium.

Yeah 1 million planets but the population on average per planet is what is in dispute really.

ForgeWorlds have upwards of 20 billion
Hive Worlds have upwards of 200 billion
There are loads of agri and backwater worlds with about a billion each

Being conservative let's say on average, an Imperial Planet has 10 billion people, that would mean with the Imperium's 1 million worlds that the Population of Humanity is around 10 Quadrillion people.

**Aszubaruzah Surn**

Grimmor wrote:
dusara217 wrote:
Riiiight, because the bureaucracies of Earth are really stupid enough to believe that they could exterminate a technologically superior and numerically superior force with all the odds stacked against us.

I think you overestimate their intelligence good sir.

Earth's powerful countries don't start direct wars with their equals any more.

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Furyou Miko wrote:
Wyzilla wrote:

Depends on the source, other numbers for the total of Imperial planets has gone into the billions. Although that's still incredibly tiny.

What source?

One million space marines, one planet per space marine, that's the traditional numeration for the Imperium.

No, it's millions of worlds and less than one space marine per world.

**Furyou Miko**

Otto Weston wrote:
Yeah 1 million planets but the population on average per planet is what is in dispute really.

But we're not talking about the number of people, just the number of planets those people live on.

[quote=Aszubaruzah Surnal numeration for the Imperium.

**Flanker**

Aszubaruzah Surn wrote:
Grimmor wrote:
dusara217 wrote:
Riiiight, because the bureaucracies of Earth are really stupid enough to believe that they could exterminate a technologically superior and numerically superior force with all the odds stacked against us.

I think you overestimate their intelligence good sir.

Earth's powerful countries don't start direct wars with their equals any more.

Only in the last 70 years. Small gap in the big picture of things, and don't forget the Cold War, where the allies and soviets passively aggressively fought one another in proxy wars.

**Madoch1**

I think that we have already made contact. Were else would the orks have gotten their cockney accents?

**commander dante**

Forget the Xenos!
The real question is...
Who the Emperor is RIGHT NOW!
*X files music plays*

**the Signless**

commander dante wrote:
Forget the Xenos!
The real question is...
Who the Emperor is RIGHT NOW!
*X files music plays*

Cut to some convenience store where a giant man, glowing with blinding light, shoves groceries into a cheap plastic bag.

The Tyranids are not anywhere close to our galaxy. They were attracted by the astronomicon, which won't be fired up for another 28,000 years. Even then, it takes ~9000 years for the hive fleets to reach the galaxy.

**Psienesis**

commander dante wrote:
Forget the Xenos!
The real question is...
Who the Emperor is RIGHT NOW!
*X files music plays*

He's a dude working with computers in LA, sort of a white-hat/black-hat hacker. Japanese-American. Goes by the name Sean Carter.

**DOS**

Otto Weston wrote:
Furyou Miko wrote:
Wyzilla wrote:

Depends on the source, other numbers for the total of Imperial planets has gone into the billions. Although that's still incredibly tiny.

What source?

One million space marines, one planet per space marine, that's the traditional numeration for the Imperium.

Yeah 1 million planets but the population on average per planet is what is in dispute really.

ForgeWorlds have upwards of 20 billion
Hive Worlds have upwards of 200 billion
There are loads of agri and backwater worlds with about a billion each

Being conservative let's say on average, an Imperial Planet has 10 billion people, that would mean with the Imperium's 1 million worlds that the Population of Humanity is around 10 Quadrillion people.

You're forgetting all sorts of worlds with minuscule populations:
Mining worlds with conditions to harsh for large populations
Prison worlds with just a prison and little else
Feral worlds with just a few hundred thousand living like paleolithic people
Research worlds with just a research outpost
Forbidden worlds with just a security team

It is very difficult to get an accurate estimate of Imperial numbers.

**Psienesis**

The fact remains, the "canon" claim is one million worlds in the Imperium.

If you use the map posted a few times in this thread, you'll note that the yellow dot is the size of a sub-sector. Put a dozen of those together, you've got a sector. Put half a dozen of those together, you have a segmentum. There's, what, six Segmentums in the Imperium? That leaves a fethload of space that Mankind has never, ever visited.

**Filch**

I like the south park explanation better. They put all the alien races together on earth and watch us like an episode of the real world mtv reality TV show.

**Harriticus**

Wyzilla wrote:
Furyou Miko wrote:
kveldulf wrote:
Eldar are probably the dominant race at this time. Necrons are sleeping. I imagine the orks are marooned on some VAT tube world the old ones made. The other various races are fairly immature or introverted when it comes to galactic presence.

On the side, I do laugh a little - that the masses insist on the fiction that the galaxy is full of habitable worlds. I'm all for the idea of a frontier, and exploration but it is silly when looking at just the improbability of those variables required to sustain life.
Of course 'terra forming' is the band aid, but that's sort of marginalizing the big big variables to alter especially since many seem to be without sustained artificial augmentation to the atmosphere. /shrug

Something you need to realise about 40k: The "galaxy-spanning Imperium of Man" contains roughly one million worlds.

Compared to the number of worlds in the milky way? That's practically nothing at all. That's a statistical blip. Less than one percent of one percent of the planets in the 40k galaxy are inhabited.

Not to mention taking into account the number of those planets that aren't human-habitable but are home to non-humans. Necrons primarily inhabit dead or at the very least inhospitable worlds. Eldar don't live on planets at all*. Orks, who claim the most planets, can survive on worlds whose gravity or atmosphere make them uninhabitable to humans - heck, an Ork population could act as terraformers since they breed their own ecosystem - one that is not reliant on piddling things like a high-oxygen atmosphere or an existing biosphere.

All that taken into account, the Eldar are not the 'dominant race in the galaxy'. The Eldar Empire is the size of the Eye of Terror, with a few outlying colonies that form what are now called Exodite Worlds.

The dominant race in the galaxy is, as it has been since the end of the War in Heaven, the Orks. Of all the races in the galaxy, they are the most adaptable to hostile environments, the most expansionist, and the fastest-breeding.

Edit: * OK, Exodites, but you get the point.

Depends on the source, other numbers for the total of Imperial planets has gone into the billions. Although that's still incredibly tiny.

I've never seen it said the Imperium has billions of worlds. It's always "a million". IIRC in some of the HH books they said 2 million, implying that due to the Heresy and 10,000 years of war 50% of Imperial worlds have been destroyed.

**KharnsRightHand**

commander dante wrote:
Forget the Xenos!
The real question is...
Who the Emperor is RIGHT NOW!
*X files music plays*

Donald Trump, naturally. Just look at all that xenophobia.

**Co'tor Shas**

Isn't that 1million number based on fancy wording, not actual "there are 1 million planets in the imperium"? I don't think it was ever meant as a way to say how many planets they control, more to say that SMs are very rare.

**Furyou Miko**

Co'tor Shas wrote:
Isn't that 1million number based on fancy wording, not actual "there are 1 million planets in the imperium"? I don't think it was ever meant as a way to say how many planets they control, more to say that SMs are very rare.

In the absence of other information, we can only take the numbers we have been given, be they facetious, hyperbolic or otherwise, and run with them.

**emptyhat**

Skinnereal wrote:

If Orks are fungoid-based (fluff dependant), they could easily convert the atmosphere, but very gradually. Not sure why that would happen though.

Wait, wait. So Orks might be responsible for there being a larger number of habitable worlds out there for mankind to attempt to claim. Interesting idea.

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Co'tor Shas wrote:
Isn't that 1million number based on fancy wording, not actual "there are 1 million planets in the imperium"? I don't think it was ever meant as a way to say how many planets they control, more to say that SMs are very rare.

Looking at the 3rd Edition rulebook fluff section on page 113 The Dominion of Man "The human galaxy is a complex society of countless billions of people and more than a million worlds... Despite the development of warp travel many worlds lie years or decades from their neighbours."

Inside front cover of the 6th Edition Rulebook "For more than a hundred centuries the Emperor has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Earth. He is the Master of Mankind by the will of the gods and the master of a million worlds by the might of his inexhaustible armies."

**Warboss Gorhack**

Maps of the galaxy aside, if the Eldar really existed their Farseers would probably know of our existence, location and our role in the Eldar future. If they considered us a threat they would have exterminated us. If they considered us useful they would probably have visited us in an effort to shape our development to their liking.

With the Eldar at the height of their Empire in 2015 they might well consider us not worth worrying about. At this point, as I recall, they're more involved with their inward-looking culture and increasing decadence.

Orks would attack if they jumped into our system, but with the Eldar at the peak of power the pointy-ears would slap down any sizable Greenskin Waaagh as soon as they detected it. Preferably before it got close to Eldar space. If the Orks did come to call in decent numbers Earth would be done, of course.

I agree with your assumptions about Tau and Necrons. Tyranids are probably on the way, what with their slower-than-Imperial interstellar travel and the huge distance between galaxies, but you're right, we've for about 30+ millennia before their vanguard arrives.

My two cents.

**emptyhat**

Warboss Gorhack wrote:
Maps of the galaxy aside, if the Eldar really existed their Farseers would probably know of our existence, location and our role in the Eldar future. If they considered us a threat they would have exterminated us. If they considered us useful they would probably have visited us in an effort to shape our development to their liking.

With the Eldar at the height of their Empire in 2015 they might well consider us not worth worrying about. At this point, as I recall, they're more involved with their inward-looking culture and increasing decadence.

Don't the Eldar Farseers develop among the Craftworld Eldar later on when the Eldar Empire is doomed and they've left it to try and break from the path of decadence? I thought that was part of why the Craftworld Eldar had all the psychic powers and the Dark Eldar did not.

**Furyou Miko**

No, the Dark Eldar sealed away their psionics in a deliberate act to try and 'hide' from Slaanesh.

**asorel**

Sturmtruppen wrote:My theory is that any alien races that have managed to collectively work in harmony to produce the technology to travel to Earth are probably watching us and thinking "What the feth are they doing?" The reason aliens aren't likely to make their presence known to us is because they know that if we're willing to murder thousands upon millions of each other over the tiniest differences, we'd likely genocide a race that was technologically superior to us - or as we humans would say, "a threat".

You're making the rather callous assumption that advanced alien races are inherently peaceful.

**CaptainStabby**

Furyou Miko wrote:
Wyzilla wrote:

Depends on the source, other numbers for the total of Imperial planets has gone into the billions. Although that's still incredibly tiny.

What source?

One million space marines, one planet per space marine, that's the traditional numeration for the Imperium.

7E rulebook. There is no number.

"The exact number of planets inhabited by the Imperium is not precisely known as, given
the immense distances, communication issues and the volatile nature of the galaxy, even
if a thorough census could be completed, it would be obsolete soon after it had begun"

**Flinty**

The exact number is not known but the other fluff quoted above puts it at about 1 million.

**dusara217**

asorel wrote:
Sturmtruppen wrote:My theory is that any alien races that have managed to collectively work in harmony to produce the technology to travel to Earth are probably watching us and thinking "What the feth are they doing?" The reason aliens aren't likely to make their presence known to us is because they know that if we're willing to murder thousands upon millions of each other over the tiniest differences, we'd likely genocide a race that was technologically superior to us - or as we humans would say, "a threat".

You're making the rather callous assumption that advanced alien races are inherently peaceful.

Also, there are a ton of good people out there. For every genocidal bastard, there's the Churchill to counter him. For every Persia, there is an Athenian League; for every King George the coalition of merchants/Founding Fathers. Very rarely does a Josef Stalin occur without somebody there to stop him.

**taurising**

Ummmmm I think we found an Ork "Rok"

Or maybe an Eldar Craft World

I'll cite my sources
http://www.iflscience.com/have-we-really-discovered-huge-alien-megastructure-around-star

Thats science FACT!!!! Aliens, cant be anything else!!!! proly Orks!!!!! Cause the Eldar are good hiders.

The end is neigh freinds, prepare thy selves!!!
*I need a sarcasum font*

**Furyou Miko**

... I think you mean 'nigh', honey.

**taurising**

Furyou Miko wrote:
... I think you mean 'nigh', honey.

If you know what I meant then it is spelled correctly......lol

**asorel**

taurising wrote:
Furyou Miko wrote:
... I think you mean 'nigh', honey.

If you know what I meant then it is spelled correctly......lol

But there must still exist a standard that informs us of what is correct and incorrect, or else the meaning can become diluted entirely. We know what you mean even if you're wrong, but only because we know that you are wrong.

**chromedog**

taurising wrote:
Furyou Miko wrote:
... I think you mean 'nigh', honey.

If you know what I meant then it is spelled correctly......lol

Um, no. The human brain is capable of recognising words from context, even if it is misspelled. The first, and last letters have to be there, and the rest of them in some order (and it works on any language using roman alphabet). At least you didn't call the game "rouge trader".

Neigh is the noise horses make.
Nigh is an old word meaning "is near."

**Skinnereal**

chromedog wrote:
Neigh is the noise horses make.
Nigh is an old word meaning "is near."

When the Four Horsemen ride, it could be either:
The end of the world is neigh!

**Nurgle**

dusara217 wrote:
Riiiight, because the bureaucracies of Earth are really stupid enough to believe that they could exterminate a technologically superior and numerically superior force with all the odds stacked against us.

North Korea

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