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I know some people are 'totes hating' on the pony... but I really like the concept. If you read the description, it is an evil scary man-eating horse monster which uses its latent unicorn power to give victims a cute appearance to disarm them.

Sounds like a good dungeon monster to me. Get'em Nethercorn, Geeeeeeeeeeeeet'eeeeem!

I'll sell you mine so you can have two :-)

You know, Highlord... if it takes repeating something in rapid succession, i'm all for doing that with you.

I cannot undersell how much I would like this Legends release to offer a way to convert this system into the dream dungeon-crawl I have wanted for far too long.

Its criminal that so few games have even seriously attempted it between Warhammer Quest, and now.

Don't the D&D games do some of that? I see that their rooms are smaller & modular, right?

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Don't the D&D games do some of that? I see that their rooms are smaller & modular, right?

They do, but they are also incredibly shallow game systems. I've never played a game where I so quickly was able to "figure out" how the game works, and thus always know the optimal move. There is functionally zero room to play, with the correct action always being obvious.

That said, they're fun as little intro-to-dungeon-crawl board-games, but entirely without depth, or persistence (there are no campaign elements, just a chain of really bland quests from a small quest-book). Honestly, the quest-book in those games is my worry for the fate of SDE: Legends, as it sounds like they would rather throw walls of ready made adventures at us, then go the extra step of letting the game generate procedural ones.

Oh, got it. BTW, have you ever played Robinson Crusoe?

Nothing wrong with Adventure scenarios / campaigns. Although I don't think it'd be too difficult to create rules for the generator, once the pieces become clear.

Seems a waste to skip on it when the pieces are already there though.

I get they want to have cutesy adventures all planned out in advance, but sometimes I just want to set stuff up and knock them all back down without a whole lot of thought and story involved.

So I've never really looked too far into the SDE stuff but this looks kind of cute/entertaining at a glance.

Anyone care to give a n00b the rundown on what to expect from a sodapop campaign (on time, delayed, quality turns out as expected, rewards compared to buying it at discount retail down the road). I'd greatly appreciate it, haven't got a lot of time to dig for information right now.

I was considering picking up the current main game box to venture into painting these freaky big-eyed minis but it would seem that they've redone all those miniatures to what I can only assume is a greater level of quality? I also see that the true buy in is more along the lines of 150, or 200 if you want the extra goodies...

Anyway thought I could keep an eye on it by posting here, thanks for any information as well.

The original box is going to have to be built by you if you buy it GrimDork.

Forgotten King, the one that just got Kickstarted in the last year or so is all prebuilt and has the solo/coop rules with it.

The campaign was pretty well run, regular communication each week (even if there wasn't anything newsworthy to report), slight delays but they were very clear about it pretty early on. The value of the freebies was pretty decent, considering the extra warband they tossed in is at least 35 at retail, and the game itself seems to hover close to 70 dollars on average. We also got 4 extra heroes that are between 9-15 dollars depending on where you shop, as well as some super tiny 3d tokens that got tossed by the wayside.

Their Ninja All Stars is wrapping up and soon to be in backers' hands in the hopefully near future.

I'd say if you're interested, wait til Thanksgiving and see if Forgotten King ends up getting cleared out from the online shops at a cheaper price point. Miniature Market already had it as a deal of the day for 60, so I have a feeling we might see it pop up again at a similar price somewhere in the next few weeks.

Huh good to know. This all started when I randomly got the chibi addons in the pledge manager for bones 3. But I was vaguely curious about the game anyway.

 GrimDork wrote:
So I've never really looked too far into the SDE stuff but this looks kind of cute/entertaining at a glance.

Anyone care to give a n00b the rundown on what to expect from a sodapop campaign (on time, delayed, quality turns out as expected, rewards compared to buying it at discount retail down the road). I'd greatly appreciate it, haven't got a lot of time to dig for information right now.

I was considering picking up the current main game box to venture into painting these freaky big-eyed minis but it would seem that they've redone all those miniatures to what I can only assume is a greater level of quality? I also see that the true buy in is more along the lines of 150, or 200 if you want the extra goodies...

Anyway thought I could keep an eye on it by posting here, thanks for any information as well.

SDE is very cute, and the original game was surprisingly tight.

Sure! SPM has been involved in 4 KS campaigns to date:

1. Relic Knights via CMoN - this ran about a year late; I suspect the delay can is partly SPM and mostly CMoN, given that CMoN tried to feth SPM during the Wave 2 fulfillment and then took the concept for the game in-house for WoK.

2. Robotech Tactics via Palladium Books - this also ran about a year late, but it appears that this is mostly Palladium, who haven't done gak on Wave 2 without SPM / ND.

3. SDE : Forgotten King - as their first self-run KS this ran a little late, due to reasons, but at least SPM was on the ball with keeping backers in the loop via consistent weekly updates.

4. Ninja All Stars - their second self-run KS looks like they are doing OK against the "Dec 2015" target date, and they are on the ball with consistent weekly updates.

In general, SPM has good quality product and they do deliver. The SDE : FK product met expectations, aside from the Deeproot Wolf rider. The NAS stuff looks like it'll be good as well. SPM offers a fair discount in their KS, and the KS bundles are OK. The current main box is Forgotten King and it's a very nice set; SDE 2.0 will complement it nicely. The 2.0 models will break the CMoN link and be more consistent with FK and other new product in scale and style.

The $150 bundle with SDE 2.0 is where I would start as a new player. The Warbands aren't critical, nor the extra Bosses - you can get them later. Besides, you will have plenty of stuff from Midnight Tower for variety. If you pledge, I'd recommend you look for Forgotten King on Black Friday, to play a bit before you stuff arrives a year later (Dec. 2016).

What was the issue with the Deeproot Wolf rider? That was one of the few extra heroes I didn't get, and was hoping to nab at retail.

For whatever reason, SPM didn't include the bedroll that sits behind the rider, so there is a noticable missing spot in the saddle and rear of the model:


You'll want to break out the green stuff for that.

Ahh thanks John, good information I was figuring it was pledge $150 or bust, which is a bit higher of a buy in than I prefer (though not necessarily higher than I expect) but it gives me something to think about. Now to do that thinking..

 GrimDork wrote:
I was considering picking up the current main game box to venture into painting these freaky big-eyed minis but it would seem that they've redone all those miniatures to what I can only assume is a greater level of quality? I also see that the true buy in is more along the lines of 150, or 200 if you want the extra goodies...

Well, the post I read said the new sculpts were made because they're easier to manufacture. I prefer the SDE 1.0 base game because the miniatures (base game only) are un-assembled so are easier to paint, and the game's heavily discounted. I also haven't read any serious criticisms of the SDE 1.0 game system or rules.

If you want all the chibis and the rules, SDE 2.x is still gonna cost you. I don't have time to play SDE, so just the base game and an expansion should be fine with me. Bought it last year and finally removed the shrinkwrap from the boards last month.

So.. is SDE a good and easy to learn game for kids? Or what about Arcadia Quest? Always looking for stuff to play with my nephews, they're age 6, 9 and 14

IMO, SDE is fine for kids; however, if you want to play with kids, be prepared to do a bunch of the Game Mastering to set up the game and to manage the flow as the Consul to manage the monsters in "Classic" mode. You may look at streamlining the game a la "Retro" house rules to prevent things from bogging down.

 Necros wrote:
So.. is SDE a good and easy to learn game for kids? Or what about Arcadia Quest? Always looking for stuff to play with my nephews, they're age 6, 9 and 14

Arcadia Quest is very much PvP, it's a very fun game, but if they'd end up always picking on the littlest one or getting upset when their brother did them over it may not suit

ah.. I don't think Arcadia Quest would work then, mostly looking for a co op kinda game where they could each pick 1 hero and play. I don't mind being the GM, in fact it would probably be better that way to keep it moving since they have video game attention spans

I tried Decent and invested in a few of the expansions but there were a lot of rules and all those different cards and stuff. I want something that's simple (or can be simplified) fast and fun

I want to pledge this but I have to say it feels like this KS has an identity crisis.

It seems initially like it's very focused on SDE Legends - the RPG But then you look at the pledge levels and strangely enough, the one thing you can't buy separately is SDE Legends...

So ok - that's ok I have a shelf full of RPGs and no time to play them all so in fact I just want to buy SDE version 2.0 and avoid the RPG. So I can for $60 but I don't get any of the sweet gender-swapped heroes? Ok... so the only way to get them is jump up almost an extra $100 and get saddled with the RPG I don't want? And the other Pledge level is two sweet warband boxes for SDE but they drop the SDE v2.0 box and bundle in the RPG again?

Seems totally bizarre!

Where's the SDE v2 + expansion + extras for $120 or $150? Wouldn't that make more sense? And if they wanted to push the RPG - why is there no RPG-only pledge (except for the digital only)?

Like - I ain't even mad here.... I'm really digging my Forgotten King box and wanted to get in on this but I'm literally too confused to pledge.

Cryptek of Awesome wrote:

Where's the SDE v2 + expansion + extras for $120 or $150? Wouldn't that make more sense? And if they wanted to push the RPG - why is there no RPG-only pledge (except for the digital only)?

It is at retail in 2017...

Basically you want deeper discount and more models without paying for the full price paid add-ons which cover the costs of all the stretches. They did forced bundling to cover costs.

Big box or wait for retail. The KS is for legends so all the pledges have it.

Nobody mentioned the new hero as the latest stretch goal, did they?



Considering we haven't seen the final add on yet, and the rate things are moving, plus not even getting to the 48 hour mark, there's no worries we'll see this lunar knight.

That will be the third extra hero figure added in, but if you include all the mini- bosses and NPC sculpts, you're looking at around 10 new figures to count as heroes, not even counting the alternate sculpts from the base game.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a 4th hero show up before this is all done.

nkelsch wrote:


Basically you want deeper discount and more models without paying for the full price paid add-ons which cover the costs of all the stretches. They did forced bundling to cover costs.

Big box or wait for retail. The KS is for legends so all the pledges have it.

That's what is confusing me though - the only thing you CAN'T buy separately in physical form is Legends...I can buy SDE 2.0 for $60 but I can't buy legends (if I wanted it) by itself.

I understand that bundle=discount, it's just surprising that, like, if SDE2.0 is $60, SDE + Legends + 1 expansion + freebies is $150, Legends +2 expansions + freebies is $150.
So you're naturally looking for that SDE+2 expansions+freebies for $150/$160 bundle.

I think SPM knows nobody is buying Legends as a standalone yet - it's not even Beta ready. That's why they're bundling it.

Legends is a hard sell. I mean, on the very front of the KS page they admit they can't even tease rules/concepts, because they don't even fully know what it is.

If Legends was the only part of this KS it would be laughed off immediately. It was very smart to just make it a corner of a far broader KS package.

Which isn't to say it might not be awesome, just that it could never carry a KS at this stage.

I think Legends is at the concept stage, but I don't think it's gotten Alpha rules. It'll be months before Legends reaches Beta playtesting, and is likely the sticky wicket that is pushing the overall delivery to December 2016...

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I think SPM knows nobody is buying Legends as a standalone yet - it's not even Beta ready. That's why they're bundling it.

Ahhh ok that explains it. Thanks.

Cryptek of Awesome wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I think SPM knows nobody is buying Legends as a standalone yet - it's not even Beta ready. That's why they're bundling it.

Ahhh ok that explains it. Thanks.

Agree... I guarantee if they had a 2.0+tower+warbands+stretches for 150$ they would see an overwhelming amount of people choosing that which would defeat the purpose of funding creation of legends. Hence the forced bundling to force revenue to exist for development of legends.

Of course if legends is a huge turd, then SPM will lose all future support for non-mini based campaigns as they will have shown themselves not able to create rules. It all depends if NAS is good and if legends works as intended otherwise there will be 3 KS with unsatisfactory rules back to back.

Hell yes. If I could swap Legends for the Bosses, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

As we saw with the TFK and NAS rules, SPM isn't necessarily spot on with their rules writing and testing. Taking known quality minis over variable quality rules is not a hard choice.

If I can ask, what was wrong with the TFK rules? I read them before backing, and they look fine to me, if not great. A little unwieldy/wordy, sure, but not inherently bad in any way.