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I think some are finding they make the game take longer to play than 1.0

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
If I can ask, what was wrong with the TFK rules?

A little unwieldy/wordy, sure, but not inherently bad in any way.

The TFK Classic rules lacks the tension of 1.0's Original rules. Basically, the TFK rules tacked a lot of stuff onto the Original rules, like generic actions, Explore, Princess Coins, Keys, etc. and that slows the game down. Players are encouraged to farm, and there aren't the same mechanisms to push the game forward. Also, the pace and balance is very different, because the game quickly shifts to 1 Hero vs 1 Boss + 4 skulls. If you're used to the Original, it's "off" and it can be very slow, which is where the game just takes longer than before.

So no, it's not inherently bad, unless you have an expectation that the game is lean and mean and finishes within 2 hours.

I wonder if those Legends rulebooks are going to be similar in size to D&D rulebooks or more toward the Super Dungeon Explore sizes.

Bunches of new stuff teased today:

- unlocked!






Plus stretch goals to $1M...

I like the designs... The orc is ace and I am looking forward to boss pack part deux. I do think we have reached pet overload.

Waiting until X-mas for the wife and I to begin playing, but am I right in thinking there are now an insane amount of boss options? Wouldn't most players prefer interesting/unique heroes instead of several more boxes worth of bosses?

Or is it something that has been needed for Consul players in Classic mode?

Generally the call has been for more Bosses/monsters rather than characters

people quickly end up with favourites or just parties that synergise well together and the rest never see much play

More Dungeon Bosses (and Pets) are the correct call. If you look at the current mix of ALL the types of things that have been released, there are huge numbers of Heroes, a moderate number of mini-Bosses & spawn point types, but a paucity of Dungeon Bosses:
- Starfire (OOP)
- King Starfire (OOP)
- Von Drak
- Roxor
- the Forgotten King
- Goro
+ Beatrix
That's it, just 5 Dungeon Bosses you can buy right now.

With Legends, we add:
- the Midnight Queen
- 6 other Bosses
and return Starfire back into production, for a dozen different Dungeon Bosses to battle against.

In the grand context of things, adding more Bosses was the correct thing to do.

Same thing with going from a grand total of 6 Pets (from TFK) to 18 Pets - now there's some variety to them.
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Forgot Beatrix. Oops.

Don't forget Beatrix from the Dungeon Boss list

One of sculptors posted some of his work in comments earlier

I wonder why SPM is so cagey about revealing the other Bosses. That's kinda nuts.

I assumed they were waiting for the 48 hour mark.

Or to actually hit the 900k mark, which is weird, as knowing what's waiting would probably speed that up.

I'm sure we'll see soon enough.

I like the fact that we'll more than likely get extra tiles now with the Tower set. That's a pretty sweet deal we get the total that high.

Waiting for the 48 hour mark but they've jumped the gun by 57 minutes!

I dig the Surtur/Hephaestus fire giant. To bad he didn't come with the Frost Giant as a set.

This is clearly better than the first one, though it's not obvious what the Forge Gnomes look like.

I really love the owlbears

Yowlbear mama makes me think of Kromac from Hordes.

Maybe it's all the skulls and junk dangling off her.

Curious what those Forge Gnomes will look like as well.

 Maniac_nmt wrote:
I dig the Surtur/Hephaestus fire giant. To bad he didn't come with the Frost Giant as a set.

Well... for a $100 they do come as a set! Haha! Hah!

Like the first boss pack more but Mother Noctua and her yowlings are definitely something I'm getting. So it looks like I'm in for both add-ons.

Thanks to Boss-Pack #2 it looks like I will have the chibi-Skarbrand I never asked for. :-p

I'm having a real hard time resisting the $200 pledge. I don't really need SDE 2.0, but those new sculpts are really nice.

I'm still not sure how I'm going to store all this stuff. Has anyone found a decent way to store all their SDE sets? Most figure cases aren't really sized for chibi figures, and some of the bosses/mini-bosses are relatively large and oddly shaped (Looking at you, Glimmerwing).

Mine fill three (going to be 5) shelves of my display case.

 Rainyday wrote:
I'm still not sure how I'm going to store all this stuff. Has anyone found a decent way to store all their SDE sets? Most figure cases aren't really sized for chibi figures, and some of the bosses/mini-bosses are relatively large and oddly shaped (Looking at you, Glimmerwing).

http://www.rpg.net/reviews/archive/16/16405.phtml

Wow, they broke $1M today, on track for $1.15M. That's better than I had expected.

Whats the point of the completionist pledge? its just the cost of everything added up?

Yup. It's adding both $50 boss packs to the $200 pledg level.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Whats the point of the completionist pledge? its just the cost of everything added up?

I think it also gives them interesting data...

49 - 45$ Pixelated
89 - 60$ New Player
403 - 150$ Explorer
1134 - 150$ Dark Consul
2629 - 200$ Legendary
489 - 300$ Completionist

That gives 488 people who haven't picked a reward, so I can assume they are at 1$

Let's remove the 1$, the two cheaper pledges and the completionist from the total to show pledges which have been captured and represented by the pledge as those people are unlikley to ADD ON to the reward.

That leaves 4166 people pledging a total of 890,768$. Which is an average of 213$ per person.

The total generated from the digital only or the base game is only about 7500$.

We are about 1000 less backers than TFK (but I am sure that might go up)

Interesting to see the "Big Box" and "upsold forced add-ons" model employed to what I would call success. Allowing people to pick and choose what they want ala carte does nothing but increase logistics and probably hurt sales as people who pledge 150 or 200 who may not want one of the bundled items would drop pledges, and the low number of people backing the lower pledges make me skeptical that the ala carte would have drawn more backers to cover those costs.

I think as we get closer to those final hours, the pledge total (and backer total) are going to keep going up.

Considering the tile caps out at 1075k, and it's currently sitting at 1046k, I think it's safe to say we should see a new batch of goals before the day is through.

Have Sodapop given any hints as to what waits for us at the tail end?

I keep wondering if we'll see some dedicated Dragonpeak creep minis, or possibly a new boss (albeit not a big huge one, but hey, you never know).

The Fire Flowers are the creeps for Dragonback peaks they are tokens in the 2.0 box Deke said they don't plan to do them as miniatures in the KS but will later on.

Owlbearmoose? Well that's awesome.

Moonspire guardian is pretty snazzy.

 DaveC wrote:
The Fire Flowers are the creeps for Dragonback peaks they are tokens in the 2.0 box Deke said they don't plan to do them as miniatures in the KS but will later on.

Quite frankly, this was a really bad decision. The entire point of SDE 2.0 as a KS is to make SDE 2.0 "complete", for both new and returning backers. The idea that they couldn't sculpt a simple 2-part mono-pose model to be produced en masse 6x for each backer is kinda ludicrous. Especially as they're already producing 12 Creeps per backer.