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That was a good message from George Takei.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
That was a good message from George Takei.

He's got a lot of work to do after calling Clarence Thomas a 'clown in black face.' Lost a lot of respect for him after that.

It's a good statement nonetheless.

Hopefully this kid actually turns into a decent engineer after all this hubbub.

I dropped in to say that a similar situation had happened to a close friend of mine in freshmen year. Our school has various academies, him being part of the IT academy. He was really techy and knew his way with machines and the like. One day apparently the police had come into one of his classrooms and just took him away, supposedly he had like some sort of metal rod or something in his bag. I think he was suspended for like 10 days........
As an aside, due to a comment about race earlier, He is half Korean half Chinese.
In regards to this Ahmed guy I am torn, but the situation was handled terribly no doubt about that

 Dudecrap wrote:
I dropped in to say that a similar situation had happened to a close friend of mine in freshmen year. Our school has various academies, him being part of the IT academy. He was really techy and knew his way with machines and the like. One day apparently the police had come into one of his classrooms and just took him away, supposedly he had like some sort of metal rod or something in his bag. I think he was suspended for like 10 days........
As an aside, due to a comment about race earlier, He is half Korean half Chinese.
In regards to this Ahmed guy I am torn, but the situation was handled terribly no doubt about that

The race thing is pretty iffy, since white kids have had similar experiences in having schools call police on them for equally stupid stuff, such as the story of the 8th grader got busted at school for wearing an NRA shirt.

Relapse wrote:

 Dudecrap wrote:
I dropped in to say that a similar situation had happened to a close friend of mine in freshmen year. Our school has various academies, him being part of the IT academy. He was really techy and knew his way with machines and the like. One day apparently the police had come into one of his classrooms and just took him away, supposedly he had like some sort of metal rod or something in his bag. I think he was suspended for like 10 days........
As an aside, due to a comment about race earlier, He is half Korean half Chinese.
In regards to this Ahmed guy I am torn, but the situation was handled terribly no doubt about that

The race thing is pretty iffy, since white kids have had similar experiences in having schools call police on them for equally stupid stuff, such as the story of the 8th grader got busted at school for wearing an NRA shirt.

If we make NRA shirts illegal then only criminals will have NRA shirts!

Relapse wrote:

Crimson Heretic wrote:
This just shows that america profiles..its a cycle, the irish, the indians, the african americans and so fourth...now we stink eye people of muslim lifestyle, hopefully next it will be people that shop at wal mart. its sad, that kid will be tarnished for life for trying to be creative and learn.

It was a stupid thing on the part of the school and police, but it's not racial profiling when you see this stupidity cuts across races. A 7 year old white kid got suspended for eating his pop tart into what his teacher thought was a gun shape, for instance. There have been other instances where zero tolerance has caused ridiculous actions on parts of schools, regardless of the student's race.

The questioning and the treatment? yeah that was dumb. the acting on suspicion of it being a bomb... that was not dumb. this thing look much more dangerous than a poptart gun and poptart gun kid got suspended.

What is 100% racist is the reaction from the prez. Why does this kid who made something looking like a Hollywood bomb get a trip to the white house while poptart gun kid does not?

And if you don't believe it looks like a bomb, Replicate the thing and try to get threw airport security. good luck.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Ah so that explains why there were reports of saying that the police said that it looked like a "movie bomb"

It kinda does look like the little black case those convoluted movie devices are inside of.

He probably should have used something a little less conspicuous, like an old pressure cooker, maybe?

 keltikhoa wrote:

Relapse wrote:

Crimson Heretic wrote:
This just shows that america profiles..its a cycle, the irish, the indians, the african americans and so fourth...now we stink eye people of muslim lifestyle, hopefully next it will be people that shop at wal mart. its sad, that kid will be tarnished for life for trying to be creative and learn.

It was a stupid thing on the part of the school and police, but it's not racial profiling when you see this stupidity cuts across races. A 7 year old white kid got suspended for eating his pop tart into what his teacher thought was a gun shape, for instance. There have been other instances where zero tolerance has caused ridiculous actions on parts of schools, regardless of the student's race.

The questioning and the treatment? yeah that was dumb. the acting on suspicion of it being a bomb... that was not dumb. this thing look much more dangerous than a poptart gun and poptart gun kid got suspended.

What is 100% racist is the reaction from the prez. Why does this kid who made something looking like a Hollywood bomb get a trip to the white house while poptart gun kid does not?

And if you don't believe it looks like a bomb, Replicate the thing and try to get threw airport security. good luck.

That was the same question I brought up. Why wasn't the shirt kid invited to the White House, also. He was arrested for equally stupid reasons.

Relapse wrote:

 keltikhoa wrote:

Relapse wrote:

Crimson Heretic wrote:
This just shows that america profiles..its a cycle, the irish, the indians, the african americans and so fourth...now we stink eye people of muslim lifestyle, hopefully next it will be people that shop at wal mart. its sad, that kid will be tarnished for life for trying to be creative and learn.

It was a stupid thing on the part of the school and police, but it's not racial profiling when you see this stupidity cuts across races. A 7 year old white kid got suspended for eating his pop tart into what his teacher thought was a gun shape, for instance. There have been other instances where zero tolerance has caused ridiculous actions on parts of schools, regardless of the student's race.

The questioning and the treatment? yeah that was dumb. the acting on suspicion of it being a bomb... that was not dumb. this thing look much more dangerous than a poptart gun and poptart gun kid got suspended.

What is 100% racist is the reaction from the prez. Why does this kid who made something looking like a Hollywood bomb get a trip to the white house while poptart gun kid does not?

And if you don't believe it looks like a bomb, Replicate the thing and try to get threw airport security. good luck.

That was the same question I brought up. Why wasn't the shirt kid invited to the White House, also. He was arrested for equally stupid reasons.

Isn't it obvious? it looks politically good for the bams

 Frazzled wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 Dudecrap wrote:
I dropped in to say that a similar situation had happened to a close friend of mine in freshmen year. Our school has various academies, him being part of the IT academy. He was really techy and knew his way with machines and the like. One day apparently the police had come into one of his classrooms and just took him away, supposedly he had like some sort of metal rod or something in his bag. I think he was suspended for like 10 days........
As an aside, due to a comment about race earlier, He is half Korean half Chinese.
In regards to this Ahmed guy I am torn, but the situation was handled terribly no doubt about that

The race thing is pretty iffy, since white kids have had similar experiences in having schools call police on them for equally stupid stuff, such as the story of the 8th grader got busted at school for wearing an NRA shirt.

If we make NRA shirts illegal then only criminals will have NRA shirts!

Lets just thank our lucky stars it wasnt pizza or a pop tart in the shape of a gun.

Relapse wrote:


That was the same question I brought up. Why wasn't the shirt kid invited to the White House, also. He was arrested for equally stupid reasons.

Because rewarding a kid for taking an interest in their education, especially in the sciences, is better than rewarding a kid for wearing a t-shirt.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

Relapse wrote:


That was the same question I brought up. Why wasn't the shirt kid invited to the White House, also. He was arrested for equally stupid reasons.

Because rewarding a kid for taking an interest in their education, especially in the sciences, is better than rewarding a kid for wearing a t-shirt.

The kid was standing on a free speech issue when they started pressing him on it, since his shirt violated no school policies. Shouldn't getting arrested for standing on knowledge of rights be up there with taking an interest in education?

 keltikhoa wrote:

Relapse wrote:

Crimson Heretic wrote:
This just shows that america profiles..its a cycle, the irish, the indians, the african americans and so fourth...now we stink eye people of muslim lifestyle, hopefully next it will be people that shop at wal mart. its sad, that kid will be tarnished for life for trying to be creative and learn.

It was a stupid thing on the part of the school and police, but it's not racial profiling when you see this stupidity cuts across races. A 7 year old white kid got suspended for eating his pop tart into what his teacher thought was a gun shape, for instance. There have been other instances where zero tolerance has caused ridiculous actions on parts of schools, regardless of the student's race.

The questioning and the treatment? yeah that was dumb. the acting on suspicion of it being a bomb... that was not dumb. this thing look much more dangerous than a poptart gun and poptart gun kid got suspended.

What is 100% racist is the reaction from the prez. Why does this kid who made something looking like a Hollywood bomb get a trip to the white house while poptart gun kid does not?

And if you don't believe it looks like a bomb, Replicate the thing and try to get threw airport security. good luck.

But that works on the assumption that the pop-tart gun suspension should have had a leg to stand on. It's not justification for the next stupid act of 'justice' to come through the pipeline. So the clock looked like a snuke. Okay, investigate it and see that its really just a clock and not a bomb. Situation over. I'd say the president's response was political, i think racist though requires a fair bit more to make a case for.

Relapse wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

Relapse wrote:


That was the same question I brought up. Why wasn't the shirt kid invited to the White House, also. He was arrested for equally stupid reasons.

Because rewarding a kid for taking an interest in their education, especially in the sciences, is better than rewarding a kid for wearing a t-shirt.

The kid was standing on a free speech issue when they started pressing him on it, since his shirt violated no school policies. Shouldn't getting arrested for standing on knowledge of rights be up there with taking an interest in education?

Except free speech can be curtailed while on the grounds of a school.

You understand that, right? Your purpose at a school is to learn, not to make a Constitutional Rights issue out of you not getting to wear your flippin' NRA t-shirt.

 Frazzled wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 Dudecrap wrote:
I dropped in to say that a similar situation had happened to a close friend of mine in freshmen year. Our school has various academies, him being part of the IT academy. He was really techy and knew his way with machines and the like. One day apparently the police had come into one of his classrooms and just took him away, supposedly he had like some sort of metal rod or something in his bag. I think he was suspended for like 10 days........
As an aside, due to a comment about race earlier, He is half Korean half Chinese.
In regards to this Ahmed guy I am torn, but the situation was handled terribly no doubt about that

The race thing is pretty iffy, since white kids have had similar experiences in having schools call police on them for equally stupid stuff, such as the story of the 8th grader got busted at school for wearing an NRA shirt.

If we make NRA shirts illegal then only criminals will have NRA shirts!

Correct me if im wrong, but dont a few gun owners actually hate the NRA cause they are doing more to hurt gun rights?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 Dudecrap wrote:
I dropped in to say that a similar situation had happened to a close friend of mine in freshmen year. Our school has various academies, him being part of the IT academy. He was really techy and knew his way with machines and the like. One day apparently the police had come into one of his classrooms and just took him away, supposedly he had like some sort of metal rod or something in his bag. I think he was suspended for like 10 days........
As an aside, due to a comment about race earlier, He is half Korean half Chinese.
In regards to this Ahmed guy I am torn, but the situation was handled terribly no doubt about that

The race thing is pretty iffy, since white kids have had similar experiences in having schools call police on them for equally stupid stuff, such as the story of the 8th grader got busted at school for wearing an NRA shirt.

If we make NRA shirts illegal then only criminals will have NRA shirts!

Correct me if im wrong, but dont a few gun owners actually hate the NRA cause they are doing more to hurt gun rights?

Please, for the love of all that is holy, don't turn this into another gun thread!


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 Kanluwen wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

Relapse wrote:


That was the same question I brought up. Why wasn't the shirt kid invited to the White House, also. He was arrested for equally stupid reasons.

Because rewarding a kid for taking an interest in their education, especially in the sciences, is better than rewarding a kid for wearing a t-shirt.

The kid was standing on a free speech issue when they started pressing him on it, since his shirt violated no school policies. Shouldn't getting arrested for standing on knowledge of rights be up there with taking an interest in education?

Except free speech can be curtailed while on the grounds of a school.

You understand that, right? Your purpose at a school is to learn, not to make a Constitutional Rights issue out of you not getting to wear your flippin' NRA t-shirt.

Tactfully put, as always and your opinion would even be correct if you ignore the Supreme Court ruling in the Tinker case:

http://www.firstamendmentschools.org/freedoms/faq.aspx?id=12991

Even so, his shirt broke no rules. It was some teacher that got uptight, escalated a non issue, called the cops, and the kid was arrested.

Didn't it have a picture of a gun on it? That does break rules in some places. Not saying that they should be the rules, though.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Didn't it have a picture of a gun on it? That does break rules in some places. Not saying that they should be the rules, though.

They gave a breakdown of what wasn't allowed on a shirt, and guns were not part of it.

Huh, they weren't allowed at my school.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Huh, they weren't allowed at my school.

An interesting side note is that when he went back to school, he wore his shirt, and other teenagers throughout the county wore NRA shirts to school in solidarity with him.

That's a very, very side note, since he isn't the subject of this thread. Sure, make the comment in comparison that "well he also got suspended", people will disagree as to it's relevance and that's fine too. But let's not go down the rabbit hole of either other case more than superficially, else we'll end up in a gun thread and locked.

 motyak wrote:
That's a very, very side note, since he isn't the subject of this thread. Sure, make the comment in comparison that "well he also got suspended", people will disagree as to it's relevance and that's fine too. But let's not go down the rabbit hole of either other case more than superficially, else we'll end up in a gun thread and locked.

Very true.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Huh, they weren't allowed at my school.

Well then that MUST be the case at all schools.

The social media mob has to support you for you to be acknowledged by the POTUS, it seems.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Huh, they weren't allowed at my school.

Well then that MUST be the case at all schools.

No need to be rude, I was simply basing it on my experience. As all people do. It's just always seemed to me to be one of those thing you aren't allowed to display in middle/high school, like drugs, curses, ect.

I like this thread more when it wasn't about guns.

 daedalus wrote:
I like this thread more when it wasn't about guns.

Well, let's get back to that then.

That teacher is most certainly required to raise the alarm if there seems to be a dangerous object at school. We might think she was stupid but better safe than sorry when it concerns stuff you really have no experience with. I'm just a lowly security guard myself, walking around in facilites filled with machines worth hundreds of thousands or even millions of euros - if there's something suspicious I'm not making a judgement about a machine I'm not trained to operate, I call for help. Doubly so if there's any chance people could be in danger. So teacher did right, IMO.

And I can't fault the police for turning up - a teacher thought there could be a bomb and called them so it's their job to turn up. Imagine the stink if they'd just said "it's a kid, what would he know about bombs" and hung up.

The way the situation was handled wasn't exactly smooth though. The principal bringing in some waiver that a minor probably can't even legally sign? While the police are questioning their suspect without access to counsel or his parents? On the plus side the cops didn't go Jack Bauer on their suspect...

Spetulhu wrote:
That teacher is most certainly required to raise the alarm if there seems to be a dangerous object at school. We might think she was stupid but better safe than sorry when it concerns stuff you really have no experience with. I'm just a lowly security guard myself, walking around in facilites filled with machines worth hundreds of thousands or even millions of euros - if there's something suspicious I'm not making a judgement about a machine I'm not trained to operate, I call for help. Doubly so if there's any chance people could be in danger. So teacher did right, IMO..

Sure, but that's pretty much where it stopped being done right. If they were presuming, in good faith, that it was a bomb - why didn't they evacuate the school? Why didn't they call a bomb squad? Why did they just put him in an office with it? Once the cops arrived, why did they transport this possible bomb in the car with him and them?

The problem with "an abundance of caution" defense is when you use it as a rationale for being an donkey-cave, without actually doing any of the cautious things.

 Ouze wrote:

Spetulhu wrote:
That teacher is most certainly required to raise the alarm if there seems to be a dangerous object at school. We might think she was stupid but better safe than sorry when it concerns stuff you really have no experience with. I'm just a lowly security guard myself, walking around in facilites filled with machines worth hundreds of thousands or even millions of euros - if there's something suspicious I'm not making a judgement about a machine I'm not trained to operate, I call for help. Doubly so if there's any chance people could be in danger. So teacher did right, IMO..

Sure, but that's pretty much where it stopped being done right. If they were presuming, in good faith, that it was a bomb - why didn't they evacuate the school? Why didn't they call a bomb squad? Why did they just put him in an office with it? Once the cops arrived, why did they transport this possible bomb in the car with him and them?

The problem with "an abundance of caution" defense is when you use it as a rationale for being an donkey-cave, without actually doing any of the cautious things.

Agreed. If the english teacher and principal thought this was a real threat, this would have been handled differently. And the delay in contacting the parents is... suspect.

Did we ever hear anything from the technology teacher?

The kid was arrested for creating a hoax bomb. That there explains why the school wasn't evacuated, bomb squad wasn't brought in, etc. They knew it wasn't a threat, but thought it was a prank, so the kid was treated like someone who created a hoax bomb or called in a bomb threat.

A hoax bomb that he didn't claim was a bomb...making that a pretty poorly orchestrated hoax.

Kid: "Hey here is my clock, it's a really cool clock isn't it? Can I get extra marks?"

Teacher: "My god it's a bomb!!"

Principal/Cops: "You're in trouble now"

Kid: "Damn, they saw right through my elaborate hoax."