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http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Tau-KX139-Ta'unar-Supremacy-Armour

Here's the challenge, without using allies or going unbound, and given 900 points, what legal list can you come up with that can drop the big guy before being killed?

Imperial Knights

Turbolaser armed Thunderhawk packed with close combat terminators

A lot of multi meltas or lascannons. So 20-30 vendettas should do. 60 twin linked str9 shots. half get saved and 1/3 are saved by FnP

Herald of Nurgle
+ Grimoire
3x Nurglings
3x Nurglings

Greater Brass Scorpion

What is the Tau player bringing with that 900? He has 300 points to spare.

2x Centurions with Grav
3x Drop Pods
2x Scouts
2x ML2 Librarians

Or just bring 2x5 scouts, ML1 Librarian and a Warhound Scout Titan. Gotta fight cheese with cheese man

3 SM FA Drop pods

3 units of Grav cents.

two would be enough to kill it IF it really doesn't get FNP

(that needs to get clarified)

but i also expect some kind of interceptor shenanigans to be added by op

 CrownAxe wrote:
Imperial Knights

+1

A Warhound Titan gets four times the Str D shots per turn, so unless the KX-139 gets within melta range the good ol' 'Hound will probably win.

As a side-note, why would the KX-139 get FNP? It doesn't have it anywhere on its datasheet.

Tech Priest Dominus w/ Eradication Ray
4 Kat Destroyers
4 Kat Destroyers
3 Kat Destroyers
3 Kat Destroyers

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
A Warhound Titan gets four times the Str D shots per turn, so unless the KX-139 gets within melta range the good ol' 'Hound will probably win.

As a side-note, why would the KX-139 get FNP? It doesn't have it anywhere on its datasheet.

Its a GC (for some idiotic reason) so it gets it for free

A stompa and some luck.

 Gamgee wrote:
What is the Tau player bringing with that 900? He has 300 points to spare.

He should be paying 300 points more for the KX-139, kidding, sort of... but its a silly challenge to say 600 on 600, because that's not how battle's work. You can put more of your models on few of your opponents. The point of the thread is that there is so much wailing and gnashing of teeth on how OP the KX-139 is... yet I was pretty sure that there were could options to put 'er down... wanted to see what the various Dakkaites thought those options were.

 Grimmor wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
A Warhound Titan gets four times the Str D shots per turn, so unless the KX-139 gets within melta range the good ol' 'Hound will probably win.

As a side-note, why would the KX-139 get FNP? It doesn't have it anywhere on its datasheet.

Its a GC (for some idiotic reason) so it gets it for free

Oh, totally forgot that they get free FNP too.

50 Lasguns can kill it in 1 shooting turn with Prescience, FRF, Monster Hunter, and Rending (from Misfortune).

Yoyoyo wrote:
50 Lasguns can kill it in 1 shooting turn with Prescience, FRF, Monster Hunter, and Rending (from Misfortune).

Wow really?

Yoyoyo wrote:
50 Lasguns can kill it in 1 shooting turn with Prescience, FRF, Monster Hunter, and Rending (from Misfortune).

Thats a tough one to do considering you can't order the same squad twice

List 1: Battleforged Necron army


List 2: Unbound Adepta Sororitas army

The K'chn Sink has a 30% chance of downing 1 Avenger per turn if it focusses, or a 16% of downing 1 Avenger per turn if it splits its fire.
The Avengers will deal, on average, 1.6 wounds per turn. Doable.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
List 1: Battleforged Necron army

Spoiler:

2x Canoptek Harvest
- +2 Spyders
- +6 Scarab Bases

List 2: Unbound Adepta Sororitas army

Spoiler:

5 Ministorum Priests
5 Avenger Strike Fighters w/ Infra-red Targetting

The K'chn Sink has a 30% chance of downing 1 Avenger per turn if it focusses, or a 16% of downing 1 Avenger per turn if it splits its fire.
The Avengers will deal, on average, 1.6 wounds per turn. Doable.

Ride of the Valkyries is required here.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
As a side-note, why would the KX-139 get FNP? It doesn't have it anywhere on its datasheet.

Because it's listed as a Gargantuan creature, and Gargantuans creatures get FNP (and Stomp) as per the Rule Book.

small rule book, Pg 71 wrote:
Stomp
Gargantuan Creatures and Gliding Flying Gargantuan Creatures may make stomp attacks in the same manner as Super-heavy Walkers (Pg 96).

Special Rules
Gargantuan Creatures and Flying Gargantuan Creatures have the following special rules;

Fear, Fearless, Feel No Pain, Hammer of Wrath, Move Through Cover, Relentless, Smash, Strikedown, Vector Strike (Flying Gargantuan Creatures only).

Since it is listed as a Gargantuan Creature, it immediately gets those benefits, then it gets them again because either;

a) FW knows that the rules for GC's are going to change in 8th and wanted to ensure this thing had those certain special rules

or

b) FW are a bunch of muppets who don't know how to write a ruleset or assign balanced points costs (or they do and just choose not to).

Wraithguard with Wraithcannons. Roll a bunch of sixes and the thing is toast.

 Frozocrone wrote:
2x Centurions with Grav
3x Drop Pods
2x Scouts
2x ML2 Librarians

Or just bring 2x5 scouts, ML1 Librarian and a Warhound Scout Titan. Gotta fight cheese with cheese man

\\

Exactly the list I was going to put

 CrownAxe wrote:
Thats a tough one to do considering you can't order the same squad twice

Adding an IC to your squad to confer it would work. You still put out 7.5W without FRF.

Unless you're going for style points, you can probably finish it off with another unit.

The point is that Rending + Rerolls are probably your best shooting option outside of D-weapons or Grav.

Yoyoyo wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:
Thats a tough one to do considering you can't order the same squad twice

Adding an IC to your squad to confer it would work.

You still put out 7.5W without FRF though. The point is that Rending + Rerolls are probably your best shooting option outside of D-weapons or Grav.

lasgun being 24", do you really think in any deployment that all or most of them will be in range? The tau titan most likely deploy towards the back.

Hah! That's not a strategy.

Trying to shoot a KX to death is the least efficient way to deal with it.

Aversion (a 1WC power that forces snapshots) is by far the most cost-effective and simple counter.

Guard should probably just tarpit it with a 4++ blob that rerolls saves.

Grimmor wrote:

Flight of the Valkyries is required here.

Nah, Valks don't have the firepower.

(p.s., the song is 'ride of the valkyrie')

20 seekers of slaanesh, heartseeker

Herald of slaanesh, steed, beguilement locus, witstealer sword(or etherblade, particularly if you get touch of uncreation), psyker lvl2, greater reward(or 2x lessers fishing for cleaving strike, touch of uncreation is better though)

Be'lakor

Herald of tzeentch on disk lvl3 with grimoire

Unbound. But who gives a feth. If an opponent brought that and said you got 900 points, sucka! Do it! I'm not gonna care about the FOC.

Also i did no mathhammer on this. Maybe its not very good. I just see the rending and rerolls as my best chance along with invisibility and other spells.

One could also:
Be'lakor

Bloodthirster of insensate rage, 2x Greaters

13 horrors

13 horrors

 Furyou Miko wrote:

Grimmor wrote:

Flight of the Valkyries is required here.

Nah, Valks don't have the firepower.

(p.s., the song is 'ride of the valkyrie')

Whoops, thats embarrassing

Easy

1 KX-139 kitted out to 900 points

I'm rather bad at using high-priority target units so it'll probably die from my incompetence by turn 3 or 4



Better yet Orikanstar w/SwordnBoard Lychguard and attach whatever else to make it a Decurion

The one unit I know that can, and will, erase a whole shooting phase from the KX-139

In a real game DraigoStar will blaze it down in one turn.