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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/18 23:32:45
Subject: Trying to get into Warhammer Fantasy
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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Hey guys,
After playing the pretty awesome Call of Warhammer mod for Medieval II Total War Kingdoms (and waiting for Warhammer Total War to release), I have to say as a long time 40k player WHFB is beginning to interest me.
WH40k offers a pretty decent introduction to the universe in the current BRB when you look at the fluff book called "Dark Millenium". Similarly, I am initially wanting to find a big, illustrated book that showcases the artwork and lore of The Old World - does a book like that exist? Would I find this in the main WHFB rulebook?
After that, I'm interested in starting an army - ideally I would like to buy an army book. But it seems with the whole End Times thing GW seems to have killed WHFB and started from scratch. It looks like you can still find most of the product line, except the army books?
Any info would be of help.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/19 00:12:13
Subject: Trying to get into Warhammer Fantasy
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Stalwart Space Marine
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My recommendation would be to play the new version of warhammer fantasy...Age of Sigmar. The rules for the army and the game are free and its a lot of fun. Although you'll find a lot of flak on the internet about AOS sucking thats mostly just removed by insaniak. Please see Dakka's rule #1.
I can recommend AOS with all honesty over warhammer fantasy because I played Warhammer Fantasy for years and after trying out AOS I've found that its better in a lot of aspects.
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-They shall be my finest Ultrasmurfs. Built and painted so that they may wreck the faces of those that oppose them!
-My young pupil... you seem to have this unholy addiction to Ultramarines. WE MUST TEST YOU FOR HERESY. -Inquisitor mean man
Ultramarine army- 10k
Imperial knights- 2
Vampire counts- 2k
Eternity King- 3k
Dark Eldar: Eternal Thorn 1300pts
And lots of other armies, I just cant fit them here
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/19 00:20:23
Subject: Trying to get into Warhammer Fantasy
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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But can you play as all the armies featured in WHFB with the new rules? Or is it just the golden space marines vs chaos guys?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/19 00:22:41
Subject: Trying to get into Warhammer Fantasy
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Stalwart Space Marine
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You can play all the armies. Chaos and Sigmarines were just to get the ball rolling for the new game. If you go to the GW site you can find the rules for each army.
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-They shall be my finest Ultrasmurfs. Built and painted so that they may wreck the faces of those that oppose them!
-My young pupil... you seem to have this unholy addiction to Ultramarines. WE MUST TEST YOU FOR HERESY. -Inquisitor mean man
Ultramarine army- 10k
Imperial knights- 2
Vampire counts- 2k
Eternity King- 3k
Dark Eldar: Eternal Thorn 1300pts
And lots of other armies, I just cant fit them here
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/19 00:24:20
Subject: Trying to get into Warhammer Fantasy
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Sir Arun wrote:But can you play as all the armies featured in WHFB with the new rules? Or is it just the golden space marines vs chaos guys?
You can read about how cool the Sigmarines and blood faction is while playing "those other guys (the main factions of warhammer fantasy)" with AOS.
If you want to play fantasy 8th then you are gonna have to find second hand rules.
I do warn you though, AOS is NOTHING like the mod you have been playing or the new Warhammer game that is coming. So really AOS is not what you are after at all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/19 02:24:48
Subject: Trying to get into Warhammer Fantasy
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Humming Great Unclean One of Nurgle
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Swastakowey wrote:I do warn you though, AOS is NOTHING like the mod you have been playing or the new Warhammer game that is coming.
While I do recommend giving Age of Sigmar a try (because the rules are free), I have to echo this sentiment.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/19 05:20:26
Subject: Trying to get into Warhammer Fantasy
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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It's really a shame that none of the army books or 8th edition rulebook is available from GW anymore.
I seriously wonder how GW's sales of all the other WHFB factions are currently doing atm.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/19 05:29:40
Subject: Trying to get into Warhammer Fantasy
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Hacking Proxy Mk.1
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I was told in my local GW store they could still sell 8th ed books, that they are out the back but no one has been told to send them back for recall.
Alternatively, if it really is something you're unable to legally buy then I don't think I am in the wrong to suggest finding it on the internet.
8th edition is so much better than AoS in my opinion especially because I love the big blocks of massed units that makes Total War what it is.
If you love total war for the blocks of spear walls, massed volleys of arrows and the devastating cavalry charges then AoS is not the game for you. Yes that stuff can still happen there but it is a skirmish game, each model moves individually and don't have a front/rear/flanks.
8th ed was about wheeling large blocks of infantry and cavalry trying to pin the enemy in place and charge them in the flank.
Alternatively, if you can't find 8th ed players I'd look at Kings of War over AoS, as it is even more like Total War with more of an emphasis on units and maneuvering blocks of soldiers to the point that individual models mean nothing, you are only controlling the 'unit' which does not take casualties to be removed but rather takes wounds before 'dying'.
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Fafnir wrote:Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/19 17:02:36
Subject: Trying to get into Warhammer Fantasy
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Sir Arun wrote:It's really a shame that none of the army books or 8th edition rulebook is available from GW anymore.
I seriously wonder how GW's sales of all the other WHFB factions are currently doing atm.
I am having trouble finding games of 8th, but you could try the 9th Age. Basically it is WFB continued by the fans written by the bigger tourney groups in Europe. Its completely free. It maintains the core of the game while also moving to update outdated books so it is fair for everyone. The rules and how they play is basically the same. The only thing that has changed is the names of the models for copyright reasons. A Deathseeker is a Dwarf Slayer etc.
All rules changes have been ones proposed by fans for years. The army books are going to be redo done by community. And they even have lists for models from other manufactures in case GW discontinues some. You could also grab some of the GW stuff on ebay for huge discounts. I just got around 500 bucks worth a models the other day for 100.
http://www.the-ninth-age.com/index.php?board-list/
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/19 17:22:42
Subject: Trying to get into Warhammer Fantasy
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
The Great State of New Jersey
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I cannot recommend 9th age. Players and TOs have no idea how to balance a game, and it is, IMO, just as broken as 7th/8th were, just in different ways.
Play kings of war with WHFB minis if you want old warhammer, Age of Sigmar if you want new warhammer.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/19 18:16:17
Subject: Trying to get into Warhammer Fantasy
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Fixture of Dakka
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Sir Arun wrote:It's really a shame that none of the army books or 8th edition rulebook is available from GW anymore.
I seriously wonder how GW's sales of all the other WHFB factions are currently doing atm.
You can get most of the books from a lot of GW stores, and many independents have 8E books heavily discounted. I got almost a whole set at 60% off just for kicks  And End Times stuff at 50% off. Can't argue with that.
chaos0xomega wrote:I cannot recommend 9th age. Players and TOs have no idea how to balance a game, and it is, IMO, just as broken as 7th/8th were, just in different ways.
Play kings of war with WHFB minis if you want old warhammer, Age of Sigmar if you want new warhammer.
The issue with this is that Sir Arun was looking for material similar to Dark Millenium, which is a fluff book. You can't get storyline and fluff for Warhammer Fantasy out of Kings of War (or Age of Sigmar)
Incidentally, if you like Dark Millenium, you may enjoy the new Age of Sigmar books. They have quite a bit of artwork/photo/fluff in addition to campaign content. History is presented in prose; the current storyline is presented from the perspective of battles and the campaign (which you can participate in). But the storyline really has nothing to do with the Old World, other than that pretty much all the factions survived and "good" factions are struggling against the forces of chaos, death, and destruction.
I think it's unfair to say that AoS is just all about Stormcast Eternals (and Chaos). Yeah, sure, they got all the new releases, but Sigmarites were the new faction, and Chaos was always one of the most popular. Wood Elves and got fluff and rules love, Skaven got a reboxing, and I'm sure, one by one, the factions will be reboot and get their time in the fluff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/19 18:38:37
Subject: Trying to get into Warhammer Fantasy
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Sir Arun wrote:Hey guys,
After playing the pretty awesome Call of Warhammer mod for Medieval II Total War Kingdoms (and waiting for Warhammer Total War to release), I have to say as a long time 40k player WHFB is beginning to interest me.
WH40k offers a pretty decent introduction to the universe in the current BRB when you look at the fluff book called "Dark Millenium". Similarly, I am initially wanting to find a big, illustrated book that showcases the artwork and lore of The Old World - does a book like that exist? Would I find this in the main WHFB rulebook?
After that, I'm interested in starting an army - ideally I would like to buy an army book. But it seems with the whole End Times thing GW seems to have killed WHFB and started from scratch. It looks like you can still find most of the product line, except the army books?
Any info would be of help.
I am also waiting for the new Warhammer game, hoping we see the best that both the old world setting and CA have to offer. Should be awesome!
There have been some dedicated fluff books in the past but there is nothing current quite like the Dark Millennium book you mentioned. Most of the background is found in the discontinued army books.
GW did indeed kill Warhammer Fantasy Battles and the old books and most likely some of the old models are going away at some point. There is enough of a second hand market though that you can probably find what you need, assuming you have people to play against. Which brings me to my primary feedback to you:
Play whatever your friends and club members are playing as long as you like the game. Even if you decide to buy old army books and miniatures you may find there is hardly anyone to play WFB with in a few months! Just check to make sure you know you can get games before spending a bunch of money. My area has transitioned to Kings of War instead of continuing to play WFB so I went along with it. I'm glad I did it's a great game, but if everyone was still playing 8th I would be happily playing that too. A large community of players helps a ton if you're a pick up game player like myself.
My personal recommendation if you want the mass battles is Kings of War, for many reasons. You can use GW miniatures but it's a much easier game to get into than WFB is/was.
I can't personally recommend the new Age of Sigmar game to you based on either its merits as a game or the fact that you are attracted to the Old World which is very different from the new game. If you want a skirmish game though I don't know of any except for Mordheim that really jive with having a large GW fantasy collection. That being said, house rules are very common with AoS so check to see how it's being played in your area. You may find you actually like the game and rules only to find it's played very differently from the RAW or vice versa.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/19 18:45:08
Subject: Trying to get into Warhammer Fantasy
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
The Great State of New Jersey
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well, if Arun is interested in whfb fluff, I have the entire end times hardcover set which im looking to sell
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/19 20:11:56
Subject: Trying to get into Warhammer Fantasy
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Making Stuff
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jonolikespie wrote:Alternatively, if it really is something you're unable to legally buy then I don't think I am in the wrong to suggest finding it on the internet.
If you're suggesting he look for second-hand books online, then yes, that's perfectly ok.
If your'e suggesting he look for scans or the like, then it's worth pointing out that 'out of print' does not mean 'out of copyright'. Illegal copies don't suddenly become acceptable just because the book is no longer sold.
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