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I was talking about Bush.

Bush wasn't from Connecticut. Trust me, we don't want him here. Well...maybe the idiots do.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Bush wasn't from Connecticut. Trust me, we don't want him here. Well...maybe the idiots do.

He was born in New Haven.

 Psienesis wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Bush wasn't from Connecticut. Trust me, we don't want him here. Well...maybe the idiots do.

He was born in New Haven.

Bush Sr. is Yankee blue blood.

Bush Jr. was raised in Texas. Note the accent and West Texas squint.
Bush Jr. The only President to ever tell an entire country to hold his beer and watch this...

@OP, I think a better question to ask would be if Cheney was a good President.

Anyways, the Bush administration gave us the most recent adventure in Iraq, and the world is a much less safe place because of it. On the administrations watch we had a deep, deep recession.
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On these two points alone, his administration is a failure.

And then there's Katrina...

 jasper76 wrote:
@OP, I think a better question to ask would be if Cheney was a good President.

A better question would be, was Dick Cheney really the Penguin?

 Frazzled wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
@OP, I think a better question to ask would be if Cheney was a good President.

A better question would be, was Dick Cheney really the Penguin?

With Rumsfeld as the Riddler, perhaps?

Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.

It was a rogue's gallery, for sure.

 gorgon wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
@OP, I think a better question to ask would be if Cheney was a good President.

A better question would be, was Dick Cheney really the Penguin?

With Rumsfeld as the Riddler, perhaps?

Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.

It was a rogue's gallery, for sure.

That quote actually makes a whole lot of sense from the perspective of intelligence gathering and analysis, but it sounds incredibly stupid as spoken in the English language.

 jasper76 wrote:

And then there's Katrina...

What about Katrina?

 gorgon wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
@OP, I think a better question to ask would be if Cheney was a good President.

A better question would be, was Dick Cheney really the Penguin?

With Rumsfeld as the Riddler, perhaps?

Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.

It was a rogue's gallery, for sure.

I'm not too versed in superhero talk, but Bush put the commissioner of an Arabian horse registry in charge of FEMA. Croniism defined.

 sebster wrote:
And as for calling it hyperbole, mistakes, or lies, what in the feth are you trying to do? Do I know you? Have we argued before and you're really bitter about it or something? Because you're dragging a lot of emotion in over a really trivial bit of pedantry, and there must be a reason for it.

He's had a few too many beers with Georgie.

 whembly wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:

And then there's Katrina...

What about Katrina?

I don't blame the Bush administration for the hurricane, only the national embarassment that followed. As I stated earlier, Bush put the commissioner of an Arabian Horse registry in charge of FEMA.

All fun and games, until the nation needs FEMA.

 jasper76 wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:

And then there's Katrina...

What about Katrina?

I don't blame the Bush administration for the hurricane, only the national embarassment that followed.

Its not the presidents job to run aid organizations or draw up a recovery plan. Thats entirely on the shoulders of the people who were running those organizations.

Who was in charge of FEMA dude? A Bush crony with zero emergency management experience.

What happened went far beyond just one guy at the top being incompetent. You can't just say it all went wrong because Bush picked one guy who had no experience. It was because of much larger problems with multiple organizations, not just FEMA.

 jasper76 wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:

And then there's Katrina...

What about Katrina?

I don't blame the Bush administration for the hurricane, only the national embarassment that followed.

The blame should've laid squarely on Governor Blanco and Mayor Nagin.

To be fair, no one did themselves any favor. It was a clusterfeth all over...

FEMA was the biggest problem.

But in any case, if it was a problem with multiple federal organizations, they all had one thing in common...they were run by the Bush administration.

 jasper76 wrote:
FEMA was the biggest problem.

But in any case, if it was a problem with multiple federal organizations, they all had one thing in common...they were run by the Bush administration.

Actually... Disaster plans and preparadness are the purviews of local/state governments.

So Bush is responsible for all the failures of the state organizations too?

If you're gonna use logic like that then Bush is responsible for the failures, and successes, of everyone in the Federal, State, and local Governments all the way down to your local DMV office's horrible wait lines between 2000 and 2008.

 whembly wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
FEMA was the biggest problem.

But in any case, if it was a problem with multiple federal organizations, they all had one thing in common...they were run by the Bush administration.

Actually... Disaster plans and preparadness are the purviews of local/state governments.

I agree that the affected state government were also to blame for the horrid response. I have heretofore only been talking about the horrid federal response, since we are talking about the Bush admin.

The FEMA response was horrible, and he, even if he did nothing directly, is the one ultimately responsible for the agencies under him. Just because it's not your "fault" doesn't mean it's not your responsibility. I don't blame him for what happend, the response or the hurricane (which, of course, was caused by The Gays ), but the responsibility rests at his cowboy boots.

I think FEMA's terrible response was partly because there was terrible communication with the state and local organizations, and the whole thing snowballed. On top of it being a pretty bad disaster relative to other similar events. I don't think even a good manager would have saved it.

I guess no one remembers "Youre doing a great job Brownie!"

Whats he supposed to do? Say "You did a terrible job, you're fired!" and cause even worse chaos?

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
The FEMA response was horrible, and he, even if he did nothing directly, is the one ultimately responsible for the agencies under him. Just because it's not your "fault" doesn't mean it's not your responsibility. I don't blame him for what happend, the response or the hurricane (which, of course, was caused by The Gays ), but the responsibility rests at his cowboy boots.

Okay... so you'll use that same logic for the failures in Libya and Benghazi on Obama and Clinton.

Right?

<whembly winks... waves... and RUNS!>

 Grey Templar wrote:
Whats he supposed to do? Say "You did a terrible job, you're fired!" and cause even worse chaos?

Yeah, I think when the newscasts are littered with images of people stranded on rooftops begging for help, it's not the time to be handing out public kudos.

But I won't argue this point further.

The legacy of Katrina is secondary to the legacy of the Iraq War.

Katrina issues almost entirely revolve around state/local government and the people that actually live in the affected areas.

One only needs to look at the difference between the aftermath of Ike and Katrina to see that.

 whembly wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:

And then there's Katrina...

What about Katrina?

Mmm I remember a Katrina.

 whembly wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
The FEMA response was horrible, and he, even if he did nothing directly, is the one ultimately responsible for the agencies under him. Just because it's not your "fault" doesn't mean it's not your responsibility. I don't blame him for what happend, the response or the hurricane (which, of course, was caused by The Gays ), but the responsibility rests at his cowboy boots.

Okay... so you'll use that same logic for the failures in Libya and Benghazi on Obama and Clinton.

Right?

<whembly winks... waves... and RUNS!>

Well, yes. It is there responsibility, but, again, not there fault. People seem to think that it's the same thing.

EDIT: Too personal