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 Mort wrote:
I snagged one of the Tyrant pledges... but I am wondering if I shouldn't just switch to two TW pledges instead.

Sure, it's an extra $45, but that gets me extra dice, extra counters, and an extra set of books to loan out or sell. Or am I missing something?

Also an extra vehicle!

It's definitely worth another $45 if you want/need extras of those things, and Mantic said extra dice and counters would be a likely needed thing if you plan on using a lot of command/suppression.

I switched out from Tyrant to Total Warfare.

I just couldn't get Tyrant to meet my needs, particularly since I only want a single vehicle of each type. I could get five vehicle battlegroups and have three of each, of course, but that would leave me with 10 vehicles I'd never use instead of the hard plastic troopers etc I actually want. Or leave the vehicles off and buy them singly, which leaves me with having to choose trooper battlegroups I don't need (have all the Veer-myn I need coming, all the FF I need, all the Asterian PVC troops). It also leaves me with having to add $30 vehicles onto an expensive base pledge of $425. If I'm spending $425 on a pledge and I can't work it to get the troops I want and one of each vehicle without spending more money, it isn't a deal for me.

Basically, I'm too well stocked from previous campaigns, and my needs are too modest for large vehicle battalions. So no Ultimate Tyrant for me this time around.

If the GCPS battlegroup looks good, then I'm sticking with Total Warfare. TW's a good value, and it's flexible enough for my needs, so I'm hoping the GCPS battlegroup will justify keeping it. If it's chock full of stuff I don't need, maybe I'll go back to a la carte.

I may not be representative of the average Warpath backer, but it's clear from the KS comments that there are a number of people in my position. I hope once the final vehicle is unlocked that they'll finally consider doing some sort of bundle deal on getting one of all six. (or five?) That would definitely get me to put more money on the table. At the moment I'm only planning to get three: one FF tank, one tunneler, and one of the dropships. (If they do a GCPS one, I'm hoping it's better than the Enforcer version. But Seamgate aside, I'm not leaving this KS campaign without some sort of dropship, dammit!)

TW is a good place to be. UT is great for some people too.

I'm set in at TW+shipping and unless I go *nuts* for the GCPS I will probably be staying close. Adding on stuff like you suggested. Maybe even a vehicle battlegroup (if I was gonna add two, it would be better to bump up to TWx2).

I feel like I'm closer to Vermonter but that's really only true for my Enforcers. My FF do have enough Infantry (probably?) but they could use a tad more and the only heavy weaponry I have is the mining laser thing from the faction starter, so I can definitely afford to go in on a BG and a tank group if I can scratch up that kinda cash. The basic 2 player set has me doing math though because with the added stuff it feels like it might be sitting at a sweet spot for what I am looking for.
I kinda wish that half the Enforcers in that starter set were the shotgun guys though.

Just noticed the plague hounds are in the plague BG.. that's bad news for DZ.. hate those things.. Are they part of the new 3rd gen sprue or did Mantic forget to add them to the contents for the BG?

With the Asterians, can the Kalyshi be built as either bows or fighting staff thingies? ..cause.. yeah, I don't like the bows.
The poses on the infantry seem to be loosened up a bit too, they looked really rigid in those first images.

On the Tunneler.. those new upgrades seem to be in the place that I thought the crew were supposed to disembark from. Does that mean it changes the tunneler into a weapon platform only with that option? I could see the gun being on a rail in the center as well and sliding back after firing so the rats in the sides can pile out but either way makes sense to me.

The 5 heavy weapons Enforcers image shows 4 missile launchers and something else.. anyone know what that is? Is it just a regular gun kinda like a Space Marine Dev Squad isn't all just heavies?






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 GrimDork wrote:
TW is a good place to be. UT is great for some people too.

I'm set in at TW+shipping and unless I go *nuts* for the GCPS I will probably be staying close. Adding on stuff like you suggested. Maybe even a vehicle battlegroup (if I was gonna add two, it would be better to bump up to TWx2).

Any word on what the shipping will be like for the options you've chosen? Another reason I'm hesitant to go big on this is I don't want to get hit with a $50 shipping bill. I have had more than a few "good deals" through KS turned around during PM shipping passes. HINT shipping was brutal.

I share your concerns about shipping. Maybe it's just because this kickstarter has so much old material in it, but I really don't get the impression that we're getting more stuff to compensate for paying shipping. That's one of my problems with vehicles at $30, because it seems likely you'll be able to pick them up discounted retail for just a little above that.

I'm far from boycotting, because I think even with shipping 20 for $20 deals are going to be hard to beat, and since the pledges have bulk discounts built in, I'm hoping those will be a good deal, too.

But here's the problem. On the one hand, they really do have to release a shipping estimate for Ultimate Tyrant before the campaign closes. If they don't, people will worry about it and some will drop their pledges. On the other hand, if they do put out the price and it turns out to be a very fair but expensive actual cost, you'll see some people reevaluating their UT pledges and dropping out. The higher the shipping charge, the more this will happen.

I'm not concerned for myself, as I'm pretty firmly decided on going Total Warfare, and I don't anticipate being put off by whatever the charge is on that. That's a particularly handy deal for me, as I'm not really interested in paying for the rulebooks, and the discount is so good that you effectively get those for free and you're still saving with the battlegroups (as long as you need them. Believe it or not, the ones I need are Enforcers and Plague, the two most people have way too much of.)

One thing that made Deadzone Infestation's Lockdown such a good deal was that they also locked down the shipping price, making sure that it wouldn't exceed what they charged for the standard "sweet spot" pledge below it. That removed my last reservation. If I were them, I'd consider doing the same with Ultimate Tyrant. This KS depends on those high-level pledges. You don't want to give people any reason to drop them on the final day.

Some hints of bigger things to come to get the pledge total rolling again, as it has stalled a bit the past two days:

"@ Mantic: In an ideal world we'd do hard plastic all the time, but we can't, so we do have to mix up the goals a bit. It'd make for a really dull end if we did all our tooling in the middle and end on the Ajax for example. We just have to careful to not over-stretch overselves, it's a marathon after all, not a sprint

However, that doesn't mean we can't kick off the week without some excitement, right? > "

Is it just the Asterian robots that are going to be plastic or the cyphers as well?

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Is it just the Asterian robots that are going to be plastic or the cyphers as well?

Just the new infantry.

So, I broke down, and made the ultimate "split the baby" decision: I backed this for $1, and I'm going to see how the pledge manager looks in a few months.

I'm happy to get digital only rules if it comes to that, but I'm looking forward to the Corporation Rangers, if they are even close to the artwork.

Here's hoping today's update is something substantive. Thus far, from a biased Deadzone player's point of view, the Deadzone Infestation Lockdown pledge was a much, much better value than what we've seen so far, with less than a fifth of the repetition of older product.

Caveat: If you want vehicles, are new to Mantic, want to work for Mantic, or want a lot more of what you already have to build armies for Warpath, ymmv. And I respect that going into this expecting a Deadzone-style deal is unrealistic, given this is a different kind of game. So please take my complaint with a huge grain of salt and my complements to the chef.

Still, my takeaway is that I'd rather see more Deadzone KS campaigns than Warpath ones in the future, if they decide to do any more kickstarters at all. Of necessity, there's just a whole lot more original product generated during Deadzone KSes.

Also, I regret that Mantic got stung doing so many resins and have had a hard time getting them all produced. Which is why, I take it, that all of their specialists etc. are metal this time around. Deadzone Infestation got you three kickstarter exclusive characters in resin. Not exclusive as in, a reposed version will be sold at retail later, but exclusive as in exclusive. In resin. Such a deal! I hope they get their resin production worked out for future kickstarter campaigns. I'm not exactly looking forward to bolting metal arms onto a PVC strider to make the Ajax. (And given the resin problem and Mantic's refusal to answer questions about the Ajax material on the comments - there's a pesky guy who's asked them repeatedly (not myself) - I think we can be pretty sure the Ajax arms will be metal.)

So Mantic has my sympathies for resin production problems, and they have my monetary support for the 20/$20 hard plastic deals. But I look forward to a future sci-fi campaign of some sort that's at least 85% new, with less metal parts, and more resin ones. Or heck, for Striders, go back to PVC. Or for a Project Pandora boardgame, use Dreadball Xtreme plastic and give us a load of cool characters and obscure races.

I expect the Ajax parts to be metal as well, which is a pity as it's a no go for me for parts like that. Mantic have to out source their resin production and it seems they have been unable to find a company that can do the amounts they need in the time frame they require. They tried out Prodos for KoW casting Blaine but even though the casts are good they couldn't meet the time frames needed (and that was just for a single figure) and they seem to still be searching so in the meantime metal seems to be the most likely as they can do that in house.

Wonder if anybody's suggested Trollforged?

Ed's way behind with his own stuff but he seems to be doing a decent job of delivering to those companies using him as a casting service

(although I don't know if he has any spare capacity)

I'm not sure Ed has the capacity for that and I'd rather he finished up what he owes us first (which is down to his lack of sculpting time more than anything else). Trollforged is also under going changes with the Foundry being separated into it's own business backed by some industry partners who no doubt will have first call on the casting time. But anyway more a topic for the Trollforged thread.

 Vermonter wrote:
Here's hoping today's update is something substantive. Thus far, from a biased Deadzone player's point of view, the Deadzone Infestation Lockdown pledge was a much, much better value than what we've seen so far, with less than a fifth of the repetition of older product.

Agreed. The Enforcer booster was the only real stinker - a Strider and 5 Peacekeepers, IIRC? If you could swap boosters I'd have taken an extra ratmen artillery piece or plague abomination any day.

 DaveC wrote:
I expect the Ajax parts to be metal as well, which is a pity as it's a no go for me for parts like that.

Same. I'm really hoping they're in resin though, the new weapon arms and backpack for the Urban Pattern Iron Ancestor were in resin and they came up a treat. Likewise Strider arms are integral to the weapons, so to do new weapons they have to replace the entire arm - that's just too damn big for metal, not to mention a giant metal shield.

Yanked this out of the comments for people who were a bit iffy on the size of the vehicles

@ Remesis - vehicle size comparison coming this week. In short, the FF Sturnhammer is the slightly bigger than a Rhino, the interceptor is wide but 1" shorter than the Valyrie (though I'm trying to persuade the Studio to make that one inch.) Tunneler isn't sculpted yet, so we don't know.

So do we have confirmation that the $1 pledge will let you get in on one of the higher tiers come PM time?

GCPS battlegroup announced as:

30 GCPS Troopers.
2 tripod mounted Heavy Weapon Teams, which includes an additional 5-man plastic sprue and some metal parts to make the crew and an Engineer
1 Corporation Major-General figure
1 Strider (that can be built in Corporation, Enforcer, Plague or Rebs varieties)
And very quickly afterwards, a $15 Corporation Mule Transport

Funded, along with the HIPS troopers at $350,000

Mule funded at $365,000








Plage mules available too, can "be plaguified":

New stretch goals are up, the GCPS Mule is quite interesting, going to skip the battlegroup and get 6 of those, I think.

The Mule isn't the hard plastic vehicle for GCPS either, it is resin.

$40 for 3 resin vehicles is probably a pretty good buy considering how expensive previous resin kits have been at retail. (£20 stunt bot anyone?).

I'd really like to see a (theoretical) size for that Mule, drop in a sketch of one of the troopers to show roughly how big it is

I missed that is resin, will Antenocitis workshop maybe produce that for Mantic?

I've been waiting the whole campaign for the GCPS to get funded and seeing what their vehicle was going to look like. I was SUPER excited when I saw the mule, then lost that excitement very quickly when I saw it wasn't in hard plastic. I assumed (incorrectly it seems) that all the vehicles were in hard plastic and that was the point of this KS.

Oh well. I'm going to be patient and wait till the end, but I think I'm going to be dropping to 1$ until I can see some sculpts, etc.

Dang I just saw it was resin,

I really hope they'll consider changing that to HIPS if the pledging takes off,

resin is fair enough for making it as is, but not nearly so enticing to those of us hoping to use the vehicles as a basic for converions etc

There will be a hard plastic vehicle for the GCPS, most likely going to be a flyer called the TAD-56 Hornet.

It appears in the Plague army list.

With the Plague vehicles I probably won't get the custom plague-ified versions and will just use the GCPS ones, unless magnetizing between the two is an option, like it is with the striders (going to get at least 6 of those and go mag-happy to use the same models for 4 armies).

They're gearing up nicely for the Kickstarter endgame at this point, we will probably get plenty of extra things in the GCPS battlegroup, asterian and gcps vehicles, then special characters to finish.

I'll be happy to see all 6 factions nicely fleshed out, and will be getting them all.

What about the GCPS and Plague tank? Gonna be real boring if the Forge Fathers are the only faction with tanks running around.

Finally a reply - Ajax parts will be "At this stage, either metal or resin, whichever works best. If the volume is high enough, PVC plastic."

Hmmm with the Mule being Resin and not part of a Battlegroup I no longer need the Ultimate Tyrant pledge as I was getting it for the 6 Battlegroups made up of each armies vehicle group but now I might only need 4 plus 2 Mule formations so Total Warfare plus extras is the way to go. I'll hold on before I change until the last day just in case a 3rd GCPS vehicle shows up but I hope that doesn't backfire on them.

Gosh, if AW is doing that Mule then I'll get vast quantities of them. Fantastic price for them, regardless of material.

GCPS has a MBT in the Alpha list, so even if it doesn't make it in, you can proxy one (plague too). From that alone FF shouldn't be the only tank out there.
That said, I could easily see Enforcers dropping in with a fusion gun and multi-melta...err.. fusion gunning the FF tanks for easy VPs or whatever.

The Asterian craft looks like it can be used like Eldar vehicles as well.. a hover tank of sorts (Falcon) or a transport.

 DaveC wrote:
Hmmm with the Mule being Resin and not part of a Battlegroup I no longer need the Ultimate Tyrant pledge

You may or may not need the UT pledge, but the Mule, while resin, is (or will be) part of the GCPS battlegroup. Which I like quite a bit.

The Mule looks brilliant and is a steal at $15 when the resin rat artillery is $25 at KS prices. Give me... many.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The Mule looks brilliant and is a steal at $15 when the resin rat artillery is $25 at KS prices. Give me... many.

It's $18 for one. If you buy three, it's about $13.33 each.