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Omg, there needs to be a Spelljammer game.

 Bolognesus wrote:

Mine comes in liquid form, but that'll do. It's not expensive and as cptjake mentions it gets plenty of use in modelling. If it was expensive or exotic I might agree with you but this really is neither. Besides a pin vice it's fairly standard kit and these wings were easily thick enough for pinning...

Nah, not exactly standard kit. I've never even heard of it for modelling and I've been doing this for 30+ years now, including quite some time on the interwebs. Kneadatite or Milliput or Plastic Putty, sure. Steel Epoxy? Nah, far from it. I do appreciate the heads-up and I'll probably grab some tomorrow. But neither that nor "you can pin them" is any excuse for the gakky wings on the Angels "out of the box", though.

Like, I can appreciate the advice from you, but let's not make excuses for bad design, is all. I'm just as critical of other companies' kits when appropriate, so Mantic don't get a free pass either.


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 Alex C wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
They might as well make a space fleet game, too, while they're at it.

I'm sure they will, along with a fantasy skirmish game, and a fantasy naval game...

What about rebooting Kings of War as a Fantasy Skirmish game?

Just destroy Mantica in the summer campaign and reboot as skirmish with barely any rules. Seems legit.

 pretre wrote:
Omg, there needs to be a Spelljammer game.

There was a kickstarter earlier in the year for a similar type of game. The space-ships were pretty sweet.

 pretre wrote:
Omg, there needs to be a Spelljammer game.

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/595589/wildspace-game-never-was-released

 Azazelx wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:

Mine comes in liquid form, but that'll do. It's not expensive and as cptjake mentions it gets plenty of use in modelling. If it was expensive or exotic I might agree with you but this really is neither. Besides a pin vice it's fairly standard kit and these wings were easily thick enough for pinning...

Nah, not exactly standard kit. I've never even heard of it for modelling and I've been doing this for 30+ years now, including quite some time on the interwebs. Kneadatite or Milliput or Plastic Putty, sure. Steel Epoxy? Nah, far from it. I do appreciate the heads-up and I'll probably grab some tomorrow. But neither that nor "you can pin them" is any excuse for the gakky wings on the Angels "out of the box", though.

Like, I can appreciate the advice from you, but let's not make excuses for bad design, is all. I'm just as critical of other companies' kits when appropriate, so Mantic don't get a free pass either.

I'm just surprised that in 30+ years of, I'm guessing, assembling more than a few large metal models these stood out as unusually poor. If nothing else, having to pin large metal parts is a basic assumption as far as I'm concerned, and it's not as if these are line infantry models, or particularly hard to pin (on the contrary). Oh well.

As for the steel epoxy, get some of this stuff http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__81630__EV5_20G_5_Min_Steel_Filler_Epoxy_Glue_AU_Warehouse_.html
(I prefer HK's own brand which is even cheaper, but it's not available from AU warehouse so shipping would kill it).
I don't think it's *strictly* the same thing as the sort of kneadable steel epoxy you'd use for non modelling purposes (as CptJake mentioned) - I would rather use JB weld to fix a water pipe or something like that - but this will do fine for modelling and it saves a fair buck vs JBweld etc

 Azazelx wrote:
Nah, not exactly standard kit. I've never even heard of it for modelling and I've been doing this for 30+ years now, including quite some time on the interwebs. Kneadatite or Milliput or Plastic Putty, sure. Steel Epoxy?

I just got a pack of it meself, for quickly sticking and coating wire armatures, and hopefully being vulcanising-resistant too. Though, for sticking troublesome minis, does it have to be steel epoxy as opposed to any other liquid epoxy adhesive? (I've found the superglue|putty|superglue sandwich fairly useful for that, anyway)

Nah, far from it. I do appreciate the heads-up and I'll probably grab some tomorrow. But neither that nor "you can pin them" is any excuse for the gakky wings on the Angels "out of the box", though.

Like, I can appreciate the advice from you, but let's not make excuses for bad design, is all. I'm just as critical of other companies' kits when appropriate, so Mantic don't get a free pass either.

Agreed there.

Something vaguely on-topic... um... I agree with GrimDork. If Mantic put out some 10mm minis for the proposed Warpath conversion, I'd be a lot more interested. As it is, it sounds a bit like a footnote to a footnote (the rules) of the main matter. (the plastic crack) Sure, it'd be in the grand tradition of allowing and even writing army lists for other minis in KoW, and it won't be the first time there have been scale options in a game, but at this point in time it feels like a 'sure, sure, whatever' bit.
For one thing, what led them to pinpoint that scale? Besides DZC, how many 10mm sci-fi ranges are there? I'm more aware of 6mm and 15mm. Even if a 10mm ruleset is adaptable to either, would it fit neatly with both?

Why 10mm of all scales? I'd think they would want to maximize the number of compatible lines like they did with 28mm. The only reason I could see them going with 10mm is that they have their own 10mm line being planned out and don't want us using other brands. Or I suppose it could have been a typo.

Hawk Wargames and Dropzone Commander have turned up at their Open days a couple of time, maybe there's a cross promotion thing planned?

Moar 3A previews:



Looks pretty good. If they even get close to the quality of the zombie sprues these will be pretty enticing.

I like those a lot better than the resin 3a.

Hawk's ranges seem pretty well-rounded but I guess a crossover could work and it's not like Mantic's never done that sort of thing before.
I believe Spartan Games' Halo ground combat system is going to be 10mm which is what their Firestormlanetfall range is.
While I have always regarded Epic as 6mm I have also heard others call it 10mm (I think the infantry might be 10 and the vehicles 6 or the other way around, either way I've heard it but don't really put weight on it).

So, again, yeah.. 10mm eh.. I dunno I'd give it a shot but 15mm is only a shout away and I already have plenty for that and I already have a few leftover armies from Epic that I keep telling myself I'll play again one day. So I am open to proxy for those scales with the current alpha.


Just for a frame of reference, according to an article I found on TMP, 6mm = roughly 1/300 and 10mm is roughly 1/161.. N scale in model railroad is about 1/160. I am fairly sure the Micro Machines Action Fleet infantry (not the vehicles) are 10mm(roughly) and a few of the vehicles fall into that category like AT-STs and a few others. I only list these so anyone wanting to give this a shot or who doesn't understand the sizes of those smaller scales might get a better idea.

 Azazelx wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:

Mine comes in liquid form, but that'll do. It's not expensive and as cptjake mentions it gets plenty of use in modelling. If it was expensive or exotic I might agree with you but this really is neither. Besides a pin vice it's fairly standard kit and these wings were easily thick enough for pinning...

Nah, not exactly standard kit. I've never even heard of it for modelling and I've been doing this for 30+ years now, including quite some time on the interwebs. Kneadatite or Milliput or Plastic Putty, sure. Steel Epoxy? Nah, far from it.

Really? I also thought that was standard kit for modellers. Most people around here call it plumbers putty, but same thing. I've been using it for years since it's cheaper than green stuff, dries harder, and hardens so much faster, wonderfull stuff for filling big gaps in models.

The new 3a plague look great, I'll definitely be adding some to my pledge in the pm, pity ive already got at least three times everything else in the battalion box otherwise I may have added one. As it stands I've already got most of the veermyn box coming from dzi.

I hope they get around to the asterians soon, I think alot of people are waiting to see the plastic drones.

I like those 3a's.....gah, don't drag me back in Mantic! My heart can't take the up and down of another KS.

 agnosto wrote:
I like those 3a's.....gah, don't drag me back in Mantic! My heart can't take the up and down of another KS.

Go on you know you want to.....

 agnosto wrote:
I like those 3a's.....gah, don't drag me back in Mantic! My heart can't take the up and down of another KS.

Keep the pledge small and it'll be fine. $125 for rules, counters, dice, vehicle and plague army is a pretty good deal.. plague have a looted interceptor in their army list so you can pick that.

Plus, the plague battlegroup seems like a pretty good deal. $75 for 60 regular infantry, 7 large infantry, one commander.is pretty good, once they add the inevitable hybrid metal upgrade unit for free, even better.

I'm probably in for $500, although a good chunk of that will have to be in the pledge manager. Hoping we get a big "all 6 battlegroups" pledge towards the end of this if Asterians and Corporation get unlocked as well.

 scarletsquig wrote:
. plague have a looted interceptor in their army list so you can pick that.

Wait, is there a place we can see army lists?

Page 57 of the Alpha rules - the Plague have a Dropship no stats yet

http://manticblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Warpath-KS-Alpha.pdf

Can we please keep this topic...on topic?

Mantic's WARPATH Kickstarter?

Thanks!

Ughhh. Dammit. I like those plastic 3a's. So much nicer looking than the restic crap.

Yup, those 3A's are going to drag me in too. The DZ zombies are a nice little kit but there were not enough options for my liking, mix them up with the KOW zombies and 3A kits and that will provide me with all the customisation I desire.

As more of a painter than gamer is it better to go $1 pledge with add ons of 3A's or just punt on a bigger pledge? The idea of looted Plague vehicles is pretty desireable.

Edit: With what is known of the Warpath rules thus far are base sizes an issue? I ask as I am currently loving putting infantry sized figures on 32mm bases rather than 25mm bases.

 Bolognesus wrote:

I'm just surprised that in 30+ years of, I'm guessing, assembling more than a few large metal models these stood out as unusually poor. If nothing else, having to pin large metal parts is a basic assumption as far as I'm concerned, and it's not as if these are line infantry models, or particularly hard to pin (on the contrary). Oh well.

As for the steel epoxy, get some of this stuff http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__81630__EV5_20G_5_Min_Steel_Filler_Epoxy_Glue_AU_Warehouse_.html
(I prefer HK's own brand which is even cheaper, but it's not available from AU warehouse so shipping would kill it).
I don't think it's *strictly* the same thing as the sort of kneadable steel epoxy you'd use for non modelling purposes (as CptJake mentioned) - I would rather use JB weld to fix a water pipe or something like that - but this will do fine for modelling and it saves a fair buck vs JBweld etc

Thanks for the link. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on the quality of those heroes. While, yes, pinning is a normal thing, I found the joins to be particularly mediocre - and especially given that it was 2013(?) when I received those particular models when I have so many, so much older models that clearly had much more thought put into their join slots.

 Kalamadea wrote:

Really? I also thought that was standard kit for modellers. Most people around here call it plumbers putty, but same thing. I've been using it for years since it's cheaper than green stuff, dries harder, and hardens so much faster, wonderfull stuff for filling big gaps in models.

At this point I'm well sold on it, but nope, not heard of it being used before. Might be a regional thing perhaps? It certainly seems like a kind of word-of-mouth thing.

Ahem. Apparently we'll finish that tangent, as useful as it was to find out about a new modelling product, so thank you, gents.

Those plastic 3As? Are they the "same" Plague mobs as those not-quite-human guys with the huge torsos that were painted pink in the original DZ? If so, these look SO much better.

Is anyone else finding it a bit hard or even pointless to discuss this campaign in any depth? Since we know the campaign is going to look incredibly different in 2 and a half weeks. My main concern is the delivery window being Sept 2016 and wondering just how far it'll get pushed back when things get "so out of control, we just didn't expect it, etc". Since KoW2 was given a July 2015 date and looks like wrapping up in... 2016 sometime? (TBA, and no dates for wave 2)

Yeah, Az, they're 3rd gen plague mutants. Same as the main infantry from DZ.

Honestly I like both. I think a poorly constructed new s3 will look worse than the stock original s3's, but with good posing and some care, they've got potential to look better. And they don't have as much of the super torso that was bugging people. If they've got high cross-compatibility with the zombies, it will be good times

Vaguely on topic question, in some of the photos on the kickstarter there are a number of cargo containers. Where are they from, are they part of the scenery from the 2nd deadzone kickstarter?

Back on topic, I think it would take some hard plastic rebs to get me on board with this one. None of he new stuff has grabbed me at all yet.

 GrimDork wrote:
Yeah, Az, they're 3rd gen plague mutants. Same as the main infantry from DZ.

Honestly I like both. I think a poorly constructed new s3 will look worse than the stock original s3's, but with good posing and some care, they've got potential to look better. And they don't have as much of the super torso that was bugging people. If they've got high cross-compatibility with the zombies, it will be good times

Simply not having those silly torsos already makes them look better in my opinion. And they'd be silly not to have them cross-comptable with zombies, so surely they'd think of that? Actually, it shouldn' t be a given. Just like ball-joints for necks and heads on most plastic models should be a given...

 Azazelx wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:

I'm just surprised that in 30+ years of, I'm guessing, assembling more than a few large metal models these stood out as unusually poor. If nothing else, having to pin large metal parts is a basic assumption as far as I'm concerned, and it's not as if these are line infantry models, or particularly hard to pin (on the contrary). Oh well.

As for the steel epoxy, get some of this stuff http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__81630__EV5_20G_5_Min_Steel_Filler_Epoxy_Glue_AU_Warehouse_.html
(I prefer HK's own brand which is even cheaper, but it's not available from AU warehouse so shipping would kill it).
I don't think it's *strictly* the same thing as the sort of kneadable steel epoxy you'd use for non modelling purposes (as CptJake mentioned) - I would rather use JB weld to fix a water pipe or something like that - but this will do fine for modelling and it saves a fair buck vs JBweld etc

Thanks for the link. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on the quality of those heroes. While, yes, pinning is a normal thing, I found the joins to be particularly mediocre - and especially given that it was 2013(?) when I received those particular models when I have so many, so much older models that clearly had much more thought put into their join slots.

 Kalamadea wrote:

Really? I also thought that was standard kit for modellers. Most people around here call it plumbers putty, but same thing. I've been using it for years since it's cheaper than green stuff, dries harder, and hardens so much faster, wonderfull stuff for filling big gaps in models.

At this point I'm well sold on it, but nope, not heard of it being used before. Might be a regional thing perhaps? It certainly seems like a kind of word-of-mouth thing.

Ahem. Apparently we'll finish that tangent, as useful as it was to find out about a new modelling product, so thank you, gents.

Those plastic 3As? Are they the "same" Plague mobs as those not-quite-human guys with the huge torsos that were painted pink in the original DZ? If so, these look SO much better.

Is anyone else finding it a bit hard or even pointless to discuss this campaign in any depth? Since we know the campaign is going to look incredibly different in 2 and a half weeks. My main concern is the delivery window being Sept 2016 and wondering just how far it'll get pushed back when things get "so out of control, we just didn't expect it, etc". Since KoW2 was given a July 2015 date and looks like wrapping up in... 2016 sometime? (TBA, and no dates for wave 2)

YW. And yeah, I'm sure I've gone off on a thing or two that might have seemed minor to others from time to time as well

I think the Jul'15 date for KoW2 was supposed to be wave 1 with wave 2 shipping oct/nov or something like that? Could be mistaken.

The problem with discussing the campaign is we've pretty much discussed all of it already. Aside from the alpha rules (which we've all taken one or two well-deserved bazooka shots at before the campaign started) and the couple of new vehicles (most of which we saw sketches for during DZ:I, or even renders months ago) there's... what? three metal characters, a unit upgrade for the spesh dorfs, and one new sprue we all saw coming a mile away.

I don't think we really have a good view of the new, improved ruleset so far, and there's only so much discussion to be had on models we've all discussed to death during the DZ:I KS.

I really want to like this (for platoon level 28mm sci-fi it'll be either this or afterlife that produces a ruleset I might actually like to play, and I don't see Anvil getting the sort of market share that will actually get me opponents in the next couple of years, so yeah...), but they haven't really given us much to work with so far.

It's kind of telling how quickly we've gone into mid-campaign slow motion on this one. Usually that would have taken a week or so but this kind of leveled off after the first 24 hours, with pledges now just trickling in.


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 Tamereth wrote:
Vaguely on topic question, in some of the photos on the kickstarter there are a number of cargo containers. Where are they from, are they part of the scenery from the 2nd deadzone kickstarter?

Back on topic, I think it would take some hard plastic rebs to get me on board with this one. None of he new stuff has grabbed me at all yet.

I think these are the ones you're looking for (although I think there's a few from the original accessory sprue as well): http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/deadzone/accessories/product/deadzone-resin-equipment-crates.html

Thanks Bolognesus but it's not the small crates I'm after but the large shipping container's. They can be seen most in the first veer'myn picture on the kickstarter page.

The plastic 3rd Gens look much, much better than the DZ torso beasts, but they still don't grab me. They remind me a lot of the old chaos mutation sprue and its generation of GW plastics, which are alright but not exactly cutting edge. I might pick up some to try out, but I'm not expecting to be blown away by them. If they come with a lot of weapons or some hounds, they will go up in my estimation.

I never thought I would say this, but going by plastics quality and diversity alone, it seems like the Veermyn are the best "bad guy faction" so far. I really hope Mantic makes some aliens that are actually alien soon, instead of fantasy exports or space zombies.


PS: Where is Chris Valera? I would expect him to be all up in this thing.

 Tamereth wrote:
Thanks Bolognesus but it's not the small crates I'm after but the large shipping container's. They can be seen most in the first veer'myn picture on the kickstarter page.

Ah, my bad. Those look like the rustforge shipping containers to me. In any case I'm pretty sure mantic doesn't have anything like that either in current or upcoming sets.