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Huh, somehow I registered $15 for Corp and $18 for Plague. Still. 3-pack for me. Maybe two.

The put (incorrectly) $15 in the text which is probably were you got it from

The updates have gotten away from me in this. Ca anyone say if the corp troops and vehicle will be available on their own as add ons?

 .Mikes. wrote:
The updates have gotten away from me in this. Ca anyone say if the corp troops and vehicle will be available on their own as add ons?

Newest update says they are.

Yep, $20 for 20 GCPS troops, $40 for 3 of the resin vehicles.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Yep, $20 for 20 GCPS troops, $40 for 3 of the resin vehicles.

In other words, for $5 more you can skip all the old filler in the battlegroup and get 40 troopers + three mules instead.

 Vermonter wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:
Yep, $20 for 20 GCPS troops, $40 for 3 of the resin vehicles.

In other words, for $5 more you can skip all the old filler in the battlegroup and get 40 troopers + three mules instead.

Yeah, I think I'd rather buy a stack of plastic GCPS troopers, a fistful of mules, and then buy the rest of the stuff at discount.

I'm curious to see how well the Troopers work as not-Elysians...

 Vermonter wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:
Yep, $20 for 20 GCPS troops, $40 for 3 of the resin vehicles.

In other words, for $5 more you can skip all the old filler in the battlegroup and get 40 troopers + three mules instead.

So, for +$5 you gain 5 more HIPS troopers and 2 Mules, lose only 2 tripod weapons, a strider and a (presumably old) character model. Sounds good so far, yes. But I expect Mantic to sweeten the Battlegroup before the end.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Vermonter wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:
Yep, $20 for 20 GCPS troops, $40 for 3 of the resin vehicles.

In other words, for $5 more you can skip all the old filler in the battlegroup and get 40 troopers + three mules instead.

So, for +$5 you gain 5 more HIPS troopers and 2 Mules, lose only 2 tripod weapons, a strider and a (presumably old) character model. Sounds good so far, yes. But I expect Mantic to sweeten the Battlegroup before the end.

With more than sprue upgrades you'll get anyway and maybe a single metal character? It'll take more than that to rope me back in.

I can see them adding Rangers as a sprue option, and hopefully special/ heavy weapons too.. hybrid metal isn't better than the restic that currently exists.

Wouldn't be surprised to see something like 50-60 GCPS in there by the time it's done rather than the current 35 + metal bits.

Yeah, I could see them doing "We'll add Ranger heads and carbines to the sprue, and include 15 extra guys in the Battlegroup"

If it's just extra bits on the sprue without adding more free sprues, then Vermonter is right, of course. I'll take 2 Mules over 1 Strider any day.

I love striders but that love has already played out into 6+1 from dzi. I was thinking 40+3 would be the way to go too. Leaves me wanting 4 battlegroup though which is an odd spot. Especially when I want a couple of individual vehicles. We'll see...

So mule can carry 10 dudes? Hope its big enough.

Looking at the best price ($1 per dude, $13.33 per strider or mule), you pay about $20 for the heavy weapons teams and character. The battlegroups are bundled at a deal in some pledge levels, so you do slightly better there.

One thing that bugs me is the GW-ness of having your force commander running around with a sword. In this kind of setting that really does not make much sense. I would more expect some kind of cool armor, a better gun, a protective drone, a pair of pistols.. something.. but.. a sword? It works for 40k because in that universe stabbing tanks with combat knives makes sense..whatever. For the real world though, I just don't envision leaders standing around waiting to hack stuff up with a freaking saber.


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That said..
Thanks for doing the math folks.
At this level, I'm in for 3x Mules and a box of 20 sci-fi humans I probably don't need (definitely).

 lord_blackfang wrote:
To be honest, I haven't seen all that many aircraft with a flat roof.

I don't know if picking that one thing out of the aerodynamic look of the dropship is the best path to take that argument down. My only objection is that the line down the entirety of the middle of the thing makes it look like a cheap toy. If it was only on part of it, then fine.

I've seen a couple of people mention that they feel 2x Total Warfare breaks down as "better" than Ultimate Tyrant - what's the breakdown on that and why?

 Azazelx wrote:
I've seen a couple of people mention that they feel 2x Total Warfare breaks down as "better" than Ultimate Tyrant - what's the breakdown on that and why?

You get an extra vehicle ($30 value) and another set of books, counters, etc ($50). It makes it easier if you are splitting with a friend or have rules to get another friend playing too. For $45 you get another vehicle, books, etc. Sure you could go Ultimate Tyrant and add a vehicle for $30 more instead, but $15 technically for what is the $50 pledge isn't a bad deal either.

 MLaw wrote:
One thing that bugs me is the GW-ness of having your force commander running around with a sword.

It's an old model back from when the only reason they existed was as a cheap IG substitute.

I agree though, it's a bit weird now, maybe it can be converted somehow.

 MLaw wrote:
One thing that bugs me is the GW-ness of having your force commander running around with a sword. In this kind of setting that really does not make much sense. I would more expect some kind of cool armor, a better gun, a protective drone, a pair of pistols.. something.. but.. a sword? It works for 40k because in that universe stabbing tanks with combat knives makes sense..whatever. For the real world though, I just don't envision leaders standing around waiting to hack stuff up with a freaking saber.

He was made in the previous generation, when they were trying to boost sales by maximising their compatibility with 40k, hence the Corp troops hitting all the same generic notes the GW Cadians touched on. Thought they might go for a new sculpt, but I guess not.

There is a "power fist" option I wonder if the mini in the army deal gets both arms

Spoiler for size

lol, that picture ...ugh.. I think I'll just use a character from Sedition Wars or .. lol anything else. That's definitely not their best work.

Gotta say though, as much as I was all like "bah, more sci-fi humans" I'm in for a bit of them.. when I thought for sure FF were going to be the silver bullet that got me in.

 scarletsquig wrote:
I can see them adding Rangers as a sprue option, and hopefully special/ heavy weapons too.. hybrid metal isn't better than the restic that currently exists.

Wouldn't be surprised to see something like 50-60 GCPS in there by the time it's done rather than the current 35 + metal bits.

They'll have 35 GCPS soon. The metal bits will add another 5 man sprue. If they go to 50-60, I'm in for the battlegroup. Otherwise, I'll probably just get 3 bikes and five more troopers instead of the leftovers.

It may only be 17 dollars for the rest of the battlegroup, but if i don't want the rest, why should I waste 17 dollars? I wouldn't if I were ordering from a store or buying at a shop.


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Looks like today's exciting GCPS announcement was enough to stop a retreat, but not enough to carry us very far forward. Pretty low income.

I think they're too hampered by returning fans who already have stuff and don't want more of it. That, and the pledge deals really don't compare to what Infestation offered. Nice hardcover, lots of exclusive resins, it had new hard plastic troops too, metal one-off characters, locked-in shipping price, new terrain, new battlemat, very little recycled old stock, all of the above for $215 . . .

It looks like they really don't want to be boxed into doing Mars Attacks / Lockdown again by improving their deal. But if they don't, it's not currently looking like they're going to get to launch all the products they want to. The last day spike isn't guaranteed in Mantic Kickstarter campaigns anymore: Dreadball Xtreme ran into a brick wall and Mantic stood their ground, and while overall the KS was a success, that tactic cost them a lot of money on the final day. If Ultimate Tyrants start deciding their deal isn't what they'd hoped it would be, we could get another backslide.

I really think they need to unveil the 2-for-$30 HIPS vehicle deal I'm sure they've got waiting in the wings. That pricepoint just strikes me as oddly high otherwise, especially when compared to the 20-for-$20 infantry deals. It reminds me a lot of the initial $10-each price for jetbikes for the DZ:I kickstarter, and I think the sooner they show us the "real" pricepoint for the vehicles, the better for the campaign.

Ideally, they'll unleash that deal ASAP, hopefully later today, since I think once the GCPS get funded we'll see another surge in funding. Right now, though, we're 22K away from it, and the immediate stretch goal isn't lighting the fire I think they thought it would to bump up to GCPS being funded (I would guess due to the vagueness in material for the Ajax upgrade)

 darkPrince010 wrote:
I really think they need to unveil the 2-for-$30 HIPS vehicle deal I'm sure they've got waiting in the wings. That pricepoint just strikes me as oddly high otherwise, especially when compared to the 20-for-$20 infantry deals. It reminds me a lot of the initial $10-each price for jetbikes for the DZ:I kickstarter, and I think the sooner they show us the "real" pricepoint for the vehicles, the better for the campaign.

Ideally, they'll unleash that deal ASAP, hopefully later today, since I think once the GCPS get funded we'll see another surge in funding. Right now, though, we're 22K away from it, and the immediate stretch goal isn't lighting the fire I think they thought it would to bump up to GCPS being funded (I would guess due to the vagueness in material for the Ajax upgrade)

I'm not as sure that they have that waiting in the wings, but it sure would sell this KS campaign. I know some here will argue that $30 is a fine price for the vehicles, and 3 of only the same ones for $75 is quite the deal. I also think it's fairly obvious that $500,000 to $1,000,000 worth of absent backers don't agree and won't be showing up anytime soon.

Don't forget, with shipping it will be $30+ per vehicle anyway. That should get you pretty close to discounted retail value.

As for the Ajax, I think it proves that you can shift to hybrid metals if it's more convenient, but don't expect the same level of interest or purchases. For a sizable percentage of backers, that thing with metal arms is a swing and a miss.

Tonka!!

 cincydooley wrote:
Tonka!!

Exactly, Tonka!! Finally somebody gets me.

 Vermonter wrote:

 darkPrince010 wrote:
I really think they need to unveil the 2-for-$30 HIPS vehicle deal I'm sure they've got waiting in the wings. That pricepoint just strikes me as oddly high otherwise, especially when compared to the 20-for-$20 infantry deals. It reminds me a lot of the initial $10-each price for jetbikes for the DZ:I kickstarter, and I think the sooner they show us the "real" pricepoint for the vehicles, the better for the campaign.

Ideally, they'll unleash that deal ASAP, hopefully later today, since I think once the GCPS get funded we'll see another surge in funding. Right now, though, we're 22K away from it, and the immediate stretch goal isn't lighting the fire I think they thought it would to bump up to GCPS being funded (I would guess due to the vagueness in material for the Ajax upgrade)

I'm not as sure that they have that waiting in the wings, but it sure would sell this KS campaign. I know some here will argue that $30 is a fine price for the vehicles, and 3 of only the same ones for $75 is quite the deal. I also think it's fairly obvious that $500,000 to $1,000,000 worth of absent backers don't agree and won't be showing up anytime soon.

Don't forget, with shipping it will be $30+ per vehicle anyway. That should get you pretty close to discounted retail value.

As for the Ajax, I think it proves that you can shift to hybrid metals if it's more convenient, but don't expect the same level of interest or purchases. For a sizable percentage of backers, that thing with metal arms is a swing and a miss.

I like the Striders because they remind me of the APUs from Avatar. I don't like the AJAX because it reminds me of Warmachine but with an egg.. hmm.. Eggmachine. It's the same thing with the space elves.. I don't like the ones with bows. I don't know why but there's just some things in sci-fi that seem weird to me.

I'm not impressed by the design but 3 for $75 seems like a pretty fair price to me.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Yep, $20 for 20 GCPS troops, $40 for 3 of the resin vehicles.

Awesome, thanks guys. Well, I know what I'm adding on now.

Also, apparently Marauders are going to be part of the GCPS list. That actually makes sense, since in this setting the Orx achieved spaceflight by being hired and trained by humans as troops.

 TheWaspinator wrote:
Also, apparently Marauders are going to be part of the GCPS list. That actually makes sense, since in this setting the Orx achieved spaceflight by being hired and trained by humans as troops.

On BOW they were said to be a merchant class.. it was implied that they would be basically for hire. I'd be a bit bummed if they were exclusive to Corp :/