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Hooah. Hopefully for your sake they actually use the funds taken in to get you what you pay for.

I think since it's a separate business but only run by one not all of the prodos owners it's likely to be ok

enough of a connection that hysterical games will be able to 'sit' on top of production of their stuff so the money paid for it does not wander off into the general prodos coffers

but not a total overlap where 'saving' prodos if it does end up in terminal trouble over AvP and it's contract renewal for that might be a tempting priority

(and they do mention they've got an alternative caster lined up if prodos can't, for whatever reason, deliver

Great figures. I wish I had something to get them for.

As for the Prodos thing, I get it, but then again, they are not part of the AVP issue. These should be just cut and dried, get some cash and get some figures.

I don't like the 3d graphic/ no figure deal. I think its a bad way to do business, and gambling with already little good will does the Prodos brand a disservice.

Some of the dwarves are printed, cast and painted

 Grot 6 wrote:

I don't like the 3d graphic/ no figure deal. I think its a bad way to do business, and gambling with already little good will does the Prodos brand a disservice.

There is a video of the Dwarves on the KS page and they look just like their renders.

Supposedly the USA will be Elves, the USSR Dark Elves and Japan will be Goblins. Quite a dubious source though so...

Hang on so prodos are having to plan on getting another caster if they cease to exist and have spun off another company.

I smell a Rob Mealstrom to mierce moment on the horizon.

I bet an undelived AvP KS set that if fox pull the plug Prodos will disapear taking all obligations with them, but Hysterical Games will "buy" there premises and equipment.

SeanDrake wrote:
Hang on so prodos.....

Its not Prodos!.

Rob Alderman is involved with this KS and is a Prodos employee and Prodos are the manufacturer for this KS. That's it.

Way too much of this thread has been taken up by Prodos games rabble rousing. An element of caution is advisable due to possible fallout from the AvP KS and to a lesser extent the delayed Warzone KS but there are at least 2 threads concerning the AVP KS, there is no need for a third.

If you like these minis then wait for them to come out at retail you will get them sooner and cheaper than pledging and you wont have to put up with rob and prodos lies .

Rob is not an " employee " of prodos he is a partner and director using the same staff and equipment to produce these as were used to produce prodos stuff

People are reporting late missing orders from prodos for warzone orders too something like this could be used as final cash grab for a struggling company to clear personal debts before closing up .

I have zero trust in rob or anyone at prodos and people need to be aware of any risks before they make a decision to pledge or not .

Just for the record, I'm an employee of Prodos Games and a shareholder of Prodos Games - not a director.

I have been working on Panzerfauste with Steve for the past 2 years and Steve has been working on it (on and off) for 18. I've been a fan of it since I discovered it some 10 years ago and even wrote some mass battle rules in 2007!

Since I was 15 years old, I have been looking for experience wherever I can get it, in order to release this product, among others up my sleeve. I did work experience for Mongoose Publishing in 2005, I sculpted figures for Alternative Armies, I submitted articles to various magazines, ran a blog, ran a youtube channel, worked for Games Workshop in their UK retail chain and I obviously am currently employed as head of wholesale at Prodos Games. Why? Because I like talking to people and meeting people/building relationships...

I will hold my hands up and admit that Prodos Games has it's problems. I have NO SWAY at all in any business decisions made by Prodos Games and I am sure things would be very different if I did (for better or worse!).

Steve Blease (my business partner) has 25 years experience in the industry, from Alternative Armies, to Brigade Models, to Wessex Games. He's been a 'guru' for me for a long time. I trust him more than most.

All the artwork, development and rules have been paid for out of my own pocket for this game. It's actually a little insulting and upsetting to hear people saying it's someone else's project when so much of my own time and money has gone into it! I'd rather not (and shouldn't have to!), but I have all the invoices to prove it.

Finally, I know Prodos Games has its issues, so I have done all I can to ensure there is some failsafe in place. But really, if I thought Prodos were gonna go bust or whatever (stop paying my paycheque!) then I would get a job elsewhere. Why would I suffer for it?

Oh and to all the supporters, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I forgot how awesome Dakka Dakka can be, I've said some silly things in the past (I definitely referred to it as a Cesspit of vitriol and hate, which was meant as a joke, but didn't get taken as one and I head-desked when I realised what a buffoon I had been), but I like to think those that have actually met with me, worked with me, done business with me or just spoken to me understand that I am, at my heart of hearts - a genuine, pleasant and informative (my day to day boss would tell you a little too informative) person...

If you fancy checking out Companies House, please do. Hysterical Games and Prodos Games have nothing to do with each other, except an agreement to make our models. You'll notice I have another company called 'Raging Goblin Games' that was actually set up to be a private consultancy business, as I was looking at going solo and working for a variety of companies (Tor Gaming and Warploque Miniatures, to name a few!) but I decided that it wouldn't be steady enough at the time. I need to close it down, I just haven't gotten around to it.

So please, don't crush my dreams just yet. These are my dreams, not Prodos Games' ones.

Your dreams, like it or not, are intertwined with Prodos at this point. Your name as a 'employee and stockholder', the fact you post officially for Prodos, and the fact Prodos is currently fething us AvP backers frankly means many folks will consider what ever you touch tainted.

'Head-desking' means gak to me. Deliver what we paid for.

and that's fine, but do me a favour, speak for yourself - not others.

But genuinely, that is absolutely fine.

Others are saying the same thing. Read your KS comments, comments here in the cesspool of vitriolic hate, and in other places on the net.

Others =/= all, though.

Yeah I'm a "other" he speaks for me too .

 ImAGeek wrote:
Others =/= all, though.

Would like to se where I ever said all anyway. Honestly, it is a typical Prodos deflection, I never used it but since Rob implied I did it shifts the conversation away from Prodos fething the KS backers.

- Rob, AVP is still an embarrassing uncertainty to its unfulfilled backers. Unfortunately some of the things you (as Prodos) have said haven't been taken well. I'm surprised Panzerfaust has launched on KS with you as the frontman before AVP Wave 1 has been completed. Just to avoid a lot of negative comments and speculation.

If Hysteria Games is your dream I hope the project makes enough cash so you don't have to deal with the AVP nightmare any more.

 rob_alderman wrote:
Just for the record, I'm an employee of Prodos Games and a shareholder of Prodos Games - not a director.

Ahem.... Your LinkedIn profile says otherwise.

https://uk.linkedin.com/pub/rob-alderman/102/838/603

Please don't continue the mistakes here on dakka that your other company that also you're a part owner of and management in is (in)famous for. Mean what you say and say what you mean. If you didn't ship something, please don't say you did. If you're a part owner and director, please don't say you're not.

Yeah at this point I'm liking this idea a lot, but I'll just wait for it to hit retail.

Maybe I'll get it faster than backers that way ...

As someone who didn't back the AVP thing, the mess I've observed from the outside makes me not want to touch any project with Prodos' name anywhere on it. I frankly have no reason to trust them.

I didn't back AVP due to funds at the time, glad I missed that bullet. Now the only prodos model I have is the Blaine figure from KOW2, and its already bending under its own weight. Not to mention the huge gates and flash that I dealt with. I'll wait till retail...if I even bother then. Nice concept, but I trust this as much as I would trust Tony Reidy

Rob, you're quite welcome come over to the AvP thread and demonstrate the ethics you'll be employing in this new venture, letting us all honestly know what is going on with our backer rewards and why so many retail copies are being sent, with the option of returning them at the backers cost?
There has been a great deal of dishonesty displayed by Prodos, you have every opportunity to prove this doesn't apply to you also. So far you're not doing so.
It was the backers who are the victims, not Prodos. It's time you all realised that and stepped up.

Are we going to see the AVP game delivered anytime this year?

Warning delivered, maybe continue whining on the other thread? I want to see fantasy ww2 stuff, a lot less whining and stalking

@Warboss, yes, I haven't updated that for a while.

I was wrongly informed that I was being made a director, when in fact they actually just gave me shares. You can look it up on Companies House. No lies at all.

I'll edit my LinkedIn, but then it looks like I am hiding even more? Right? I don't mind either way, just tell me what to do.


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 Theophony wrote:
I didn't back AVP due to funds at the time, glad I missed that bullet. Now the only prodos model I have is the Blaine figure from KOW2, and its already bending under its own weight. Not to mention the huge gates and flash that I dealt with. I'll wait till retail...if I even bother then. Nice concept, but I trust this as much as I would trust Tony Reidy

My advice there would be to contact customer services at Mantic for a replacement. I am sure they will provide one (which will have been provided by Prodos).

 rob_alderman wrote:


Finally, I know Prodos Games has its issues, so I have done all I can to ensure there is some failsafe in place. But really, if I thought Prodos were gonna go bust or whatever (stop paying my paycheque!) then I would get a job elsewhere. Why would I suffer for it?

That's very heartening to read because I have to be honest I was fearing the worst !

So many AvP KS backers are still waiting for their boxed set pledges, I just couldn't believe Prodos would do something that has been so damaging to their reputation unless it was absolutely necessary (i.e. "we have do this or go out of business")

I originally pledged on the AvP KS back when Poland was behind the Iron Curtain, but since the collapse of the USSR Prodos can no longer blame the Stasi for their over-keen border control on shipping the product out.

It's a shame that that KS will taint this one (it will), because Panzerfauste looks like an absolutely wonderful idea and there are some great looking sculpts in there.

This is the "Panzerfauste Kickstarter" thread.

While it is understandable that there would be some "AvP cross-posting" here due to the PRODOS connection, I'm going to have to ask that we stay on topic in this thread.

Again, the topic being the "Panzerfauste Kickstarter".

I suppose if 'new information' comes to light, it could be posted here - but maybe a separate thread in Dakka Discussions would be best if people wish to continue to discuss the Hysterical/Prodos connection?

unlocked

more stuff unlocked







So! Skirmish rules!

Here they are! Go nuts!

http://www.wargamevault.com/product/160603/Panzerfuste-Skirmish-Beta-Rules-v-11?term=Hysterical+games+

Cheers!
Steve and Rob - Hysterical Games

Troglodytes, dwarves and gnomes kind of all look alike, what a curious choice given the range of fantasy characters! I wasn't expecting gelatinous cube Marines or whatever, but troglodytes was exactly no ones guess for the next race.

Yeah, they do all kind of look similar. That is a downside to this one. Hopefully they'll mix things up a bit with some more non-human looking races. Some Afrika Korps Gnolls could be cool. Or Russian lizardmen.