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2015/10/19 17:17:08
Subject: It can be very dangerous to be a bike rider in the USA. - Update Page 8.
Aside from the usual road hazards such as bits of blown out tire, to pot holes, to just plain inconsiderate people, there are instances such as these...
Alanis King wrote:Driver Who Swerved And Hit A Motorcycle: 'I Don't Care'
A motorcyclist got more than he bargained for while making a pass on a two-lane road on Saturday when a driver swerved and hit the bike, sending both passengers to the ground. The driver’s response to the whole thing? “I don’t care.”
The rider, Eric Sanders — who posted the video taken by a fellow traveller to Facebook shortly after it happened — said in the comments section that he suffered road rash and his girlfriend went to an intensive care unit in Texas after the incident.
Sanders begins to pass the car at about 1:40 in the video, only to have the driver swerve and knock both the rider and his passenger off of the motorcycle. As the video shows, the scene after the wreck is pretty urgent — fellow drivers pulling over to check on the couple as the two lay down on the side of the road, while the person filming approaches the man who hit the bike.
Here's the video! So fethed up!
Posted by Eric Sanders on Saturday, October 17, 2015
The driver initially blames his swerving on the fact that the rider tried to pass him over double-yellow lines, which Sanders later admitted to in a clarification post on Facebook. Then he turns around to say that he was “stung by a wasp,” intertwined with several more “I don’t care” statements while the filming motorcyclist snaps a picture of his license plate.
Sanders added in the clarification post that his reason for passing the car was its slowing down to around 20 mph under the speed limit for that particular area. Police did not arrest the man, according to Sanders’ comments, but he is “gonna be prosecuted.”
While Sanders wasn’t completely in the right by passing the car in a zone with double-yellow lines, that certainly doesn’t justify the driver hitting him for any reason.
Around three hours ago, Sanders’ latest update on the situation stated that his girlfriend was headed into surgery for an arm injury sustained during the crash.
I hope there will be an update later saying the driver is under arrest for some form of aggravated battery. This guy needs a few years vacation in the Greybar Hotel at the very least.
Edit: Full video on youtube...
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2015/10/19 17:21:45
Subject: It can be very dangerous to be a bike rider in the USA.
While I don't think he should have been hit he also shouldn't have been passing over a double yellow. A car, swerving to avoid something in the road, isn't going to look behind them and to the left on a two lane road with a double yellow.
As for passing because people were 20mph below the speed limit considering there are 3 cars in the shot and they appear to be going the same speed that still isn't an excuse to pass illegally as it's unsafe for everyone.
Dude that was stupid and swerved to hit him should be prosecuted and the dude driving the bike should be also be persecuted to the fullest extent of the law too.
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2015/10/19 17:29:22
Subject: It can be very dangerous to be a bike rider in the USA.
Hulksmash wrote: While I don't think he should have been hit he also shouldn't have been passing over a double yellow. A car, swerving to avoid something in the road, isn't going to look behind them and to the left on a two lane road with a double yellow.
As for passing because people were 20mph below the speed limit considering there are 3 cars in the shot and they appear to be going the same speed that still isn't an excuse to pass illegally as it's unsafe for everyone.
Dude that was stupid and swerved to hit him should be prosecuted and the dude driving the bike should be also be persecuted to the fullest extent of the law too.
I come from a family of bikers, but what he said. Don't be a dumbass and cross in the no crossing section and try to pass multiple cars while doing it.
Be stupid, get stupid results.
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2015/10/19 17:32:05
Subject: It can be very dangerous to be a bike rider in the USA.
Hulksmash wrote: While I don't think he should have been hit he also shouldn't have been passing over a double yellow. A car, swerving to avoid something in the road, isn't going to look behind them and to the left on a two lane road with a double yellow.
As for passing because people were 20mph below the speed limit considering there are 3 cars in the shot and they appear to be going the same speed that still isn't an excuse to pass illegally as it's unsafe for everyone.
Dude that was stupid and swerved to hit him should be prosecuted and the dude driving the bike should be also be persecuted to the fullest extent of the law too.
Pretty much sums things up from my view.
It's one thing for a bike rider (both bicycle and motorcycle) to say "I have a right to the road too!!!" over legit issues, but it doesn't help the cyclist' cause when you do dumb gak like this.
2015/10/19 17:35:46
Subject: It can be very dangerous to be a bike rider in the USA.
Crossing the double yellows is an "infraction" that results in a ticket. I'd doubt it would be more than $100, if that.
Since the guy in the car had no authority invested in him by the State, there is absolutely no reason the car driver should have done anything. If he felt strongly about it, he should have called the police.
I hope the "I don't care." comment comes back to haunt him at trial. Hopefully it should be enough to demonstrate depraved indifference.
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2015/10/19 17:36:20
Subject: It can be very dangerous to be a bike rider in the USA.
So I am not the only one that noticed they were passing in a no passing area. Dunce hats for all it seems.
No one is saying the biker should have been hit in any capacity, but it is harder to be completely on their side when they were doing something dumb as well. If he weren't breaking the law at the same time people probably wouldn't have noticed he was, you know, breaking the law.
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2015/10/19 17:44:14
Subject: It can be very dangerous to be a bike rider in the USA.
Ahtman wrote: ... it is harder to be completely on their side when they were doing something dumb as well.
Why? We're talking about two separate issues here. Crossing the double yellow did NOTHING to cause the car to hit them. There was no harm or foul done to any other person on the road. The driver of the car willfully decided to also cross the double yellow line when he swerved into the bike. This caused a woman to need hospitalization. So, please, tell me more about how the bike rider was in any way responsible for any of this.
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2015/10/19 17:44:55
Subject: It can be very dangerous to be a bike rider in the USA.
Ahtman wrote: So I am not the only one that noticed they were passing in a no passing area. Dunce hats for all it seems.
No one is saying the biker should have been hit in any capacity, but it is harder to be completely on their side when they were doing something dumb as well. If he weren't breaking the law at the same time people probably wouldn't have noticed he was, you know, breaking the law.
Passing AT LEAST TWO cars. The way he whipped around the first car, highly unlikely the driver of the second car even had a chance to see him.
Again, thats why you don't do stupid stuff like that when you're on a bike (or a bike for that matter). you could be dead.
As Dad would say, there's right then there's dead right.
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2015/10/19 17:45:02
Subject: It can be very dangerous to be a bike rider in the USA.
Motorcycles scare me as a driver. They are always popping up out of nowhere and I don't realize they are there until they are passing me. This problem is most acute when in slow heavy traffic.
That doesn't appear to have been the problem in this case. Just a abhorrent driver. They're everywhere.
Also, don't pass over double yellows. If the guy is a big enough jerk, or suffering from a mental impairment so that he is 20 MPH below normal speed, expect he may not be safe to pass especially if you are using one of the more risky driving options.
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This reminds me of a time I was leaving a national park driving down a long hill with no passing lanes. A driver was well below the speed limit and not using any turnouts. I was behind him 20 minutes or so becoming increasingly angry. He built up a line of something like 30 cars behind him. Then a car passed me over a double yellow and kept hoping his way forward in the line. Eventually he got to the front and passed the guy who was holding everyone up.
He then stopped his car, got out, walked back to the slow driver and laid into him with what I can only imagine was an expletive laden tirade. I couldn't hear anything but was treated to the furious driver waving his arms, pointing at the long line of cars that were held up and clearly demonstrating the fury of all who were held up. I'm guessing there were cheers in many of the cars despite now being completely stopped.
Having made his point the guy got back into his car and drove off. The slow car started again, but pulled over at the first opportunity so all could pass.
Anyway it was fun and cathartic to watch though it would have been a bad idea for a cyclist to try that. Not that it was a great idea for the guy who did it.
2015/10/19 17:45:12
Subject: It can be very dangerous to be a bike rider in the USA.
Ahtman wrote: ... it is harder to be completely on their side when they were doing something dumb as well.
Why? We're talking about two separate issues here. Crossing the double yellow did NOTHING to cause the car to hit them. The driver of the car willfully decided to also cross the double yellow line when he swerved into the bike.
It's possible to be a victim of an accident caused by a jerk and still be a jerk yourself.
I hope the car driver is punished severely, but the bike rider is a dumbass.
/Justifiable Victim Blaming
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2015/10/19 17:45:51
Subject: It can be very dangerous to be a bike rider in the USA.
Ahtman wrote: ... it is harder to be completely on their side when they were doing something dumb as well.
Why? We're talking about two separate issues here. Crossing the double yellow did NOTHING to cause the car to hit them. The driver of the car willfully decided to also cross the double yellow line when he swerved into the bike.
Let's stick to discussing the article, without directing comments at each other, please. --Janthkin
A double line means conditions are poor. Double passing means you deserve to not have your DNA pollute the gene pool. Had I done that Dad would have backhanded me off the bike when we pulled over.
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2015/10/19 17:47:04
Subject: It can be very dangerous to be a bike rider in the USA.
Ahtman wrote: ... it is harder to be completely on their side when they were doing something dumb as well.
Why? We're talking about two separate issues here. Crossing the double yellow did NOTHING to cause the car to hit them. The driver of the car willfully decided to also cross the double yellow line when he swerved into the bike.
It's possible to be a victim of an accident caused by a jerk and still be a jerk yourself.
I hope the car driver is punished severely, but the bike rider is a dumbass.
/Justifiable Victim Blaming
Not seeing where the driver did this intentionally, just that he wasn't sorry. It does prove the rule that one should say nothing.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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2015/10/19 17:51:46
Subject: It can be very dangerous to be a bike rider in the USA.
Ahtman wrote: ... it is harder to be completely on their side when they were doing something dumb as well.
Why? We're talking about two separate issues here. Crossing the double yellow did NOTHING to cause the car to hit them. The driver of the car willfully decided to also cross the double yellow line when he swerved into the bike.
It's possible to be a victim of an accident caused by a jerk and still be a jerk yourself.
I hope the car driver is punished severely, but the bike rider is a dumbass.
/Justifiable Victim Blaming
Not seeing where the driver did this intentionally, just that he wasn't sorry. It does prove the rule that one should say nothing.
Article says he admitted he swerved because of the illegal pass.
2015/10/19 17:53:03
Subject: It can be very dangerous to be a bike rider in the USA.
Frazzled wrote: Are you an idiot? A double line means conditions are poor. Double passing means you deserve to not have your DNA pollute the gene pool.
Not exactly. In Yellowstone National Park, there are some areas marked for passing that are on curves or hills that are hilariously dangerous to pass on. I've also seen double yellow in areas with lengthy straight road where visibility is fairly good. Also, according to Wikipedia, "In some states, it is not against the law to overtake vehicles in the presence of solid yellow lines if it is safe to do so." so it is possible the bike rider may not even have been in the wrong for passing, assuming he did it in one of these States. Otherwise, it is a serious violation but so is speeding and I've whipped through Montana at over 110mph for most of a Saturday. Nobody died from that. Then again, nobody tried to swerve into me, either.
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2015/10/19 17:53:38
Subject: It can be very dangerous to be a bike rider in the USA.
Ahtman wrote: ... it is harder to be completely on their side when they were doing something dumb as well.
Why? We're talking about two separate issues here. Crossing the double yellow did NOTHING to cause the car to hit them. The driver of the car willfully decided to also cross the double yellow line when he swerved into the bike.
It's possible to be a victim of an accident caused by a jerk and still be a jerk yourself.
I hope the car driver is punished severely, but the bike rider is a dumbass.
/Justifiable Victim Blaming
Not seeing where the driver did this intentionally, just that he wasn't sorry. It does prove the rule that one should say nothing.
Article says he admitted he swerved because of the illegal pass.
Agreed then, if thats the case, hang him by his babymakers.
Biker was still an idiot who paid for it.
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2015/10/19 17:54:16
Subject: It can be very dangerous to be a bike rider in the USA.
He then stopped his car, got out, walked back to the slow driver and laid into him with what I can only imagine was an expletive laden tirade.
Lucky you didn't witness the slow driver blowing the other guy's head off. You can be angry with a slow-mover, but to cut in front of them, stop (holding everyone up even more), get out and approach the slow-mover in a threatening manner takes a special kind of fething stupid.
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2015/10/19 17:56:01
Subject: It can be very dangerous to be a bike rider in the USA.
He then stopped his car, got out, walked back to the slow driver and laid into him with what I can only imagine was an expletive laden tirade.
Lucky you didn't witness the slow driver blowing the other guy's head off. You can be angry with a slow-mover, but to cut in front of them, stop (holding everyone up even more), get out and approach the slow-mover in a threatening manner takes a special kind of fething stupid.
Watch the video.
2015/10/19 17:57:34
Subject: It can be very dangerous to be a bike rider in the USA.
He then stopped his car, got out, walked back to the slow driver and laid into him with what I can only imagine was an expletive laden tirade.
Lucky you didn't witness the slow driver blowing the other guy's head off. You can be angry with a slow-mover, but to cut in front of them, stop (holding everyone up even more), get out and approach the slow-mover in a threatening manner takes a special kind of fething stupid.
Watch the video.
Mine just loops the bike accident itself.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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2015/10/19 17:59:25
Subject: It can be very dangerous to be a bike rider in the USA.
He then stopped his car, got out, walked back to the slow driver and laid into him with what I can only imagine was an expletive laden tirade.
Lucky you didn't witness the slow driver blowing the other guy's head off. You can be angry with a slow-mover, but to cut in front of them, stop (holding everyone up even more), get out and approach the slow-mover in a threatening manner takes a special kind of fething stupid.
Watch the video.
Sorry, this is in reference to another incident that Gwaihirsbrother was talking about, hence my quoting him.
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2015/10/19 18:00:09
Subject: It can be very dangerous to be a bike rider in the USA.
He then stopped his car, got out, walked back to the slow driver and laid into him with what I can only imagine was an expletive laden tirade.
Lucky you didn't witness the slow driver blowing the other guy's head off. You can be angry with a slow-mover, but to cut in front of them, stop (holding everyone up even more), get out and approach the slow-mover in a threatening manner takes a special kind of fething stupid.
Attempted murder. The driver should spend a long time in prison for that, and if it's the rest of their life then I'm not going to shed a single tear for them.
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2015/10/19 18:22:20
Subject: It can be very dangerous to be a bike rider in the USA.
He then stopped his car, got out, walked back to the slow driver and laid into him with what I can only imagine was an expletive laden tirade.
Lucky you didn't witness the slow driver blowing the other guy's head off. You can be angry with a slow-mover, but to cut in front of them, stop (holding everyone up even more), get out and approach the slow-mover in a threatening manner takes a special kind of fething stupid.
That's why I finished by noting it wasn't a great idea on the part of the guy who did it. The way it played out was satisfying though it could potentially have gone very wrong.
2015/10/19 18:25:07
Subject: It can be very dangerous to be a bike rider in the USA.
I like those yellow lines. Yellow lines on a road look much nicer than the white lines we have over here.
Oh yeah, and that car driver should be in prison if he hit the motor on purpose. Even if the motor rider was breaking a traffic law, that is no reason for trying to murder him.
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2015/10/19 18:26:28
Subject: It can be very dangerous to be a bike rider in the USA.
Assuming this was intentional on the car driver's point what exactly was his point?(again, I've only seen the loop) I'm assuming he wasn't actually trying to hit the motorcycle thus leading to many bad things.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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