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Wait a year for the game to get better and updated
No, what you do is you buy it when it immediately comes out so that you get all the DLC for free eventually because SEGA likes to say they're sorry for all the bugs.
I'm not experienced with the recent total war games but you're joking right? Never really seen a company do much in the way of generosity.
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I bought Rome2 the day it was released. I eventually was given all the DLC for free.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
Wait a year for the game to get better and updated
No, what you do is you buy it when it immediately comes out so that you get all the DLC for free eventually because SEGA likes to say they're sorry for all the bugs.
I'm not experienced with the recent total war games but you're joking right? Never really seen a company do much in the way of generosity.
I think CD Project red is the most generous game company. Its DLC is free and its expansions are around 4 hours long
So I don't know about that. I've never known sega to be generous.
From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war.
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What? Are there some locations that are permanently one factions?
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
Grey Templar wrote: What? Are there some locations that are permanently one factions?
All factions can't take anything in the Chaos Wastes, and the faction you play will be able to take lands in some areas. (I think that's how it works, haven't seen the video in a while)
Revenge is a dish best served with mayonnaise and those little cheesy things on sticks.
My understanding is, no one can take the chaos wastes. Also, stuff like dwarfs can not take human lands because they would not do that in lore. I wonder if dwarves can take elvish lands in a expansion though, because they wouldn't bat an eye there.
From what I understand the factions can only take one other factions territory. In the case of the Empire its the Vampire Counts and vice versa, dwarfs will be fighting against green skins so vice vera again. Chaos will be able to take empire lands for certain, but the others are unkown.
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That's kinda dumb if true. I could see maybe a few areas being permenantly locked off, but across the board restrictions seems silly.
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
I'm willing to see how it works out. On the one hand, it's nice to take everything, but I never had much incentive not to do that in other Total War games. Sure, you could sack a city in Attila, but...I kinda wanted the city...
So if it makes sacking/raiding more viable while ensuring that all of the main factions stay represented instead of having the Empire utterly stamped out in a few turns, I'm okay with it. Plus, the settlements change how they look depending on who owns them, how cool is that?
Much as I like Angry Joe and understand the communities wider concern wirth DLC, I preordered this game, and normally I dont pre-order games.
First its Warhammer - Total War, second its Warhammer - Total War. I cant emphasise this enough, back while playing Medieval Total War the better part of two decades ago I was wanting Warhammer total War. Now we are getting it and from what I can see it appears this is going to be one of the good releases.
Third, if or should I say when Creative Assembly screw the pooch on release, I might get the free DLC compensation that pre-order customers got for Rome 2.
Fourth, yeah Chaos is on the disk and thus should be part of the game, but I am looking at pre-order as like 'backing' the product in advance, and paying into the development, and getting a benefit for doing so. Besides I am buying an e-copy so no disk.
Had Creative Assembly Kickstarted this, and Games Workshop allowed crowdfunding of its IP anyways I would have been all over this like a rash, and probably so would most of you. Our stretchgoal bonuses not given or costing extra for commercial customers is fairly indistinguishable from pre-order DLC.
My main concern regards Bretonnians, they are clearly in the original game, but there is no move to allow them, to be playable. i am wondering how much SEGA will gouge us to unlock them. It may be that I will remain locked out of one of my favourite Warhammer races until DLC is cheapened and batched some time after release.
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It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Orlanth wrote: Much as I like Angry Joe and understand the communities wider concern wirth DLC, I preordered this game, and normally I dont pre-order games.
First its Warhammer - Total War, second its Warhammer - Total War. I cant emphasise this enough, back while playing Medieval Total War the better part of two decades ago I was wanting Warhammer total War. Now we are getting it and from what I can see it appears this is going to be one of the good releases.
Third, if or should I say when Creative Assembly screw the pooch on release, I might get the free DLC compensation that pre-order customers got for Rome 2.
Fourth, yeah Chaos is on the disk and thus should be part of the game, but I am looking at pre-order as like 'backing' the product in advance, and paying into the development, and getting a benefit for doing so. Besides I am buying an e-copy so no disk.
Had Creative Assembly Kickstarted this, and Games Workshop allowed crowdfunding of its IP anyways I would have been all over this like a rash, and probably so would most of you. Our stretchgoal bonuses not given or costing extra for commercial customers is fairly indistinguishable from pre-order DLC.
My main concern regards Bretonnians, they are clearly in the original game, but there is no move to allow them, to be playable. i am wondering how much SEGA will gouge us to unlock them. It may be that I will remain locked out of one of my favourite Warhammer races until DLC is cheapened and batched some time after release.
Their whiners the whole lot of them. Video gamers are some of the most spoiled of the gamers that exist. If they dealt with the killing of their favorite franchise in a 'big announcement' style to reveal a dumbed down version of their beloved franchise that the other gamers from the other game the company made considered a good 'secondary game'. Then add to the insult if you don't buy into this new game (most fantasy players didn't) then GW pits you against the gamers of their other game and considers you to not be 'true' gamers.
Also don't give me the bull that fantasy was not as interesting of a universe. All we needed is a big video game or movie to spread to other audiences since tabletop gaming isn't that huge and costs a ton. I mean seriously it's like saying 'lord of the rings' is currently unpopular at GW so let's can the game. I mean even though 'The Hobbit' and LotR movies sold a ton and brought a ridiculous renewed love for the franchise. All it really takes is a good game like 'Dawn of War 1'. 'Total War: Warhammer' would've done it too. My friends that liked Total War were interested in the lore and the Warhammer Fantasy world. I'm just glad they didn't have to suffer through what GW did to the Warhammer Fantasy fans. GW is just evil and stupid.
Seriously if you make a great game or movie and advertise it a bunch then you will succeed.
Oh and if you still think Warhammer Fantasy just wasn't interesting enough then look at the Warcraft movie. GW claims this stole from Warhammer Fantasy right? If what they say is true then why is the copy and possibly inferior version having a ****ing movie while you killed your universe's counterpart? The explanation is simple and that is there are more video gamers than tabletop gamers and it's cheaper and easier to get into. GW fails because they don't broaden their horizon and they will continue to do so until the either realize it or fall straight into the ground and dig their own grave.
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Anyway my point to this is if you need to boycott anybody boycott GW. This game however is a godsend and possibly the last hope of Warhammer Fantasy. In all likelihood Warhammer Fantasy will remain dead but I can only hope this will be a last hurrah for us warhammer fantasy gamers. Let the game succeed and watch it GW and then go **** yourselves!
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As said before I will buy this game several times over with all DLC if I have to in order to play the game. I'm fine with it because it's the last way to re-live a game I loved.
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I think the reason Fantasy wasn't as popular was because the ruleset, while it was relatively solid and functional, was too advanced for many players. They didn't have the patience, or money, to build large armies and engage in actual tactical play. That's why the numbers were low.
The fluff was top notch IMO.
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
Orlanth wrote: Much as I like Angry Joe and understand the communities wider concern wirth DLC, I preordered this game, and normally I dont pre-order games.
First its Warhammer - Total War, second its Warhammer - Total War. I cant emphasise this enough, back while playing Medieval Total War the better part of two decades ago I was wanting Warhammer total War. Now we are getting it and from what I can see it appears this is going to be one of the good releases.
Third, if or should I say when Creative Assembly screw the pooch on release, I might get the free DLC compensation that pre-order customers got for Rome 2.
Fourth, yeah Chaos is on the disk and thus should be part of the game, but I am looking at pre-order as like 'backing' the product in advance, and paying into the development, and getting a benefit for doing so. Besides I am buying an e-copy so no disk.
Had Creative Assembly Kickstarted this, and Games Workshop allowed crowdfunding of its IP anyways I would have been all over this like a rash, and probably so would most of you. Our stretchgoal bonuses not given or costing extra for commercial customers is fairly indistinguishable from pre-order DLC.
My main concern regards Bretonnians, they are clearly in the original game, but there is no move to allow them, to be playable. i am wondering how much SEGA will gouge us to unlock them. It may be that I will remain locked out of one of my favourite Warhammer races until DLC is cheapened and batched some time after release.
Their whiners the whole lot of them. Video gamers are some of the most spoiled of the gamers that exist. If they dealt with the killing of their favorite franchise in a 'big announcement' style to reveal a dumbed down version of their beloved franchise that the other gamers from the other game the company made considered a good 'secondary game'. Then add to the insult if you don't buy into this new game (most fantasy players didn't) then GW pits you against the gamers of their other game and considers you to not be 'true' gamers.
Also don't give me the bull that fantasy was not as interesting of a universe. All we needed is a big video game or movie to spread to other audiences since tabletop gaming isn't that huge and costs a ton. I mean seriously it's like saying 'lord of the rings' is currently unpopular at GW so let's can the game. I mean even though 'The Hobbit' and LotR movies sold a ton and brought a ridiculous renewed love for the franchise. All it really takes is a good game like 'Dawn of War 1'. 'Total War: Warhammer' would've done it too. My friends that liked Total War were interested in the lore and the Warhammer Fantasy world. I'm just glad they didn't have to suffer through what GW did to the Warhammer Fantasy fans. GW is just evil and stupid.
Seriously if you make a great game or movie and advertise it a bunch then you will succeed.
Oh and if you still think Warhammer Fantasy just wasn't interesting enough then look at the Warcraft movie. GW claims this stole from Warhammer Fantasy right? If what they say is true then why is the copy and possibly inferior version having a ****ing movie while you killed your universe's counterpart? The explanation is simple and that is there are more video gamers than tabletop gamers and it's cheaper and easier to get into. GW fails because they don't broaden their horizon and they will continue to do so until the either realize it or fall straight into the ground and dig their own grave.
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Anyway my point to this is if you need to boycott anybody boycott GW. This game however is a godsend and possibly the last hope of Warhammer Fantasy. In all likelihood Warhammer Fantasy will remain dead but I can only hope this will be a last hurrah for us warhammer fantasy gamers. Let the game succeed and watch it GW and then go **** yourselves!
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As said before I will buy this game several times over with all DLC if I have to in order to play the game. I'm fine with it because it's the last way to re-live a game I loved.
Your reply doesn't bear much relation to what your quoting. It reads like your are angrily mostly agreeing with me, and chastising my post in doing so.
Confusion reigns.
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Sorry Orlanth it was just a rant with nothing against you at all. I have friends that agree the whole point with Angry Joe and I just don't understand. One of them will splurge and buy insanely stupid things to paint for hundreds for AoS then come back and complain for Total War: Warhammer which costs infinitely less than the model he just splurged on. He wasn't even a freaking warhammer fantasy fan (though does play Total War). It's absolutely insane in reasoning.
Seriously the massive down-votes on the total war game to a franchise they've never played (warhammer fantasy not 'total war') is just insane. Those Total War fans would never dream of a game company screwing over their fans as much as GW has. Seriously sometimes GW is so comically tie damsels to railroad tracks evil and greedy it just astounds me.
Basically if the Total War fans want to boycott something then they should see the plight of fantasy fans that watched warhammer fantasy die. Boycotting GW would be a fairly worthy cause in comparison.
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But if they've never bought warhammer fantasy, then they've boycotted it by default.
If someone doesn't like something, they're perfectly entitled to vote with their wallet. They're also perfectly entitled to inform the company why. - That's actually helping the company, at the end of the day.
The company is NOT however, required to listen to them and is, instead, perfectly happy to sit in their Corporate Headquarters and ignore their customers opinions.
When the sun sets, it's the money that talks loudest.
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Compel wrote: But if they've never bought warhammer fantasy, then they've boycotted it by default.
If someone doesn't like something, they're perfectly entitled to vote with their wallet. They're also perfectly entitled to inform the company why. - That's actually helping the company, at the end of the day.
The company is NOT however, required to listen to them and is, instead, perfectly happy to sit in their Corporate Headquarters and ignore their customers opinions.
When the sun sets, it's the money that talks loudest.
I honestly wish this was true. Certain groups seem not content with this line of thinking.
Still I say GW made the wrong choice to killed warhammer fantasy but that's a topic for another thread *sigh*.
Yup, I agree completely. I do believe it was completely the wrong choice.
I firmly believe that, if Warhammer: Total War is a success, they're going to have kids going into the store, loving the Dwarf faction and then going, "what the heck is a Sigmarite, I wanted an Empire army!"
And then, GW, hypothetically, won't get that sale. But then, it's going to come down to money whether my thoughts are right or not. And, my feeling is, if warhammer fantasy was still around, we'd see a "Dawn of War" major level bump of purchases that would very possibly have saved the game. Instead, we might just see a minor increase. - There are going to be people who don't mind that dwarfs are now 'fyreslayers'.
Of course, meanwhile, Mantic can't keep up with demand for Kings of War.
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Compel wrote: Yup, I agree completely. I do believe it was completely the wrong choice.
I firmly believe that, if Warhammer: Total War is a success, they're going to have kids going into the store, loving the Dwarf faction and then going, "what the heck is a Sigmarite, I wanted an Empire army!"
And then, GW, hypothetically, won't get that sale. But then, it's going to come down to money whether my thoughts are right or not. And, my feeling is, if warhammer fantasy was still around, we'd see a "Dawn of War" major level bump of purchases that would very possibly have saved the game. Instead, we might just see a minor increase. - There are going to be people who don't mind that dwarfs are now 'fyreslayers'.
Of course, meanwhile, Mantic can't keep up with demand for Kings of War.
It did seem like terrible timing, business wise. They destroyed one of their properties just before two hugely popular games for it came out, being Vermintide, which I know for a fact has ignited curiosity in the Warhammer universe with atleast 3 of my friends (all of whom I've had to explain too that the universe they find so interesting has literally been destroyed) and Total Warhammer. You'd think they could hold off a year and see what happens. GW isn't exactly free falling in sales, it's just losing them inch by inch each year. There wasn't need for such a drastic decision just yet.
THEN AGAIN, I don't run a multi-million pound corporation! I always have to remind myself of that when-ether I criticise GW's decisions
"The Wolves will always come to heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn’t behave that way. Only a dog does. That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer!" - Khârn "The Bloody", First Captain of the World Eaters
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The empire walkthrough made me pumped for this game more than any in a long time. That was two steps forward, this is two steps back. Or one and a half as the Brets are clearly only thinly implemented and might be due a makeover in the next seven weeks.
I am very underwhelmed by the Brets as a faction. While it makes sense for Medieval total War armies to be clearly colour coded I think the Brets need to be a lot more colourful, giving all the units a single tabard colour looks boring.
The battle also doesn't inspire me to believe the AI is fixed much either. Also the battle is over too quickly, it has the fast forward combat of Rome 2. Most of it is chat and waiting.
Also what is with the field trebuchet, are they hovercraft? I would have rather they imported the Medieval 2 trebuchet than use what they have got.
Still the video is good and you get to see more about the spellcasting. Brets are highly likely to be the freeLC faction at launch, so we will open with six factions to play on day one. That is enough to sink my teeth into, especially if I am playing the Vamps.
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That does seem a little rough. The Brettonians didn't even have any Knights. Just infantry. So I think they're really unfinished currently, I wouldn't worry too much.
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
Grey Templar wrote: That does seem a little rough. The Brettonians didn't even have any Knights. Just infantry. So I think they're really unfinished currently, I wouldn't worry too much.
Ouch. A knight-less army of bretonnians is like a vehicle-less version of imperial guard. You'd have my sympathies.
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Hopefully the knights aren't high tier units. They did mention that was an early game battle.
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
I think that was an excuse. Early tier? Akhag had unlocked Skullmuncha and the crown and possibly the rest of his equipment. Also the orks had boar boyz, I cant see orcs unlocking heavy cavalry before Brets.
I really don't like how bland the Brets are looking, and I have to hope they are allowed include more units than the army book offers. Brets could do with foot knights, crossbowmen and bolt throwers to complete their rosters.
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Well this is what? One video we've seen the Brettonians in, and not focusing in on their units at all either. And the game is a ways out too.
And we don't know what order that the character's gear gets unlocked either. Its possible that the Crown is what you begin with and Skullmuncha is the first thing you unlock.
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
Grey Templar wrote: Well this is what? One video we've seen the Brettonnians in, and not focusing in on their units at all either. And the game is a ways out too.
I am buying that, for now. I suspect this video is late in because they only very recently had enough Bret units functional to make the video and based the battle report on what they could field. Bret knight models are already made, we see some on the orc campaign map video, but lance formation will require special coding.
Still time is running out and we have half the factions at first release unseen. Empire, Orcs and Dwarfs are fleshed out, Brets, Chaos and Vampire Counts are at an unknown stage of implementation, and the fact that they have released so few images of them makes me suspect there is a lot of gaps to fill.
I wonder if it will be ready to launch in seven weeks time.
And we don't know what order that the character's gear gets unlocked either. Its possible that the Crown is what you begin with and Skullmuncha is the first thing you unlock.
the crown will likely be starting gear, or the first quest item. I would prefer the latter as it sets up Azhags story for the player. It would make sense for Azhag to be an ordinary boss orc and you have to do an intro story quest which results in him gaining the crown when you first unlock him. Azhag is the second O&G legendary lord, and thus you likely dont start with him on the map at all. I cant confirm that, but it strongly implies when playing Empire you start with Karl Franz, but have to work to get Balthasar Gelt.
Getting any wyvern too early looks like a balance issue to me.
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Flying units do look rather strong, unless your opponent has a lot of shooting. Your gonna have to protect your artillery much more actively in this total war.
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
Grey Templar wrote: Flying units do look rather strong, unless your opponent has a lot of shooting. Your gonna have to protect your artillery much more actively in this total war.
For the scenario give and the amount of artillery it may have been better to detach Azhag to go artillery nuking from the beginning o the battle. His hexes are powerful, but the rocs could clearly hold on without. Yet they took a lot of damage from the trebuchet, and quickly.
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