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Trondheim wrote: After reading and seeing what this game will be I fail to see why people are so giddy for. Five races in total to play, and shoehorned limitations on what you can conquer? Seems like a rip of
Seems pretty fluffy to me
In a total war game the fluff of a now dead gamesystem should not matter. But then again, its a GW releated product we are discusing. And they should have dropped the silly limitations altoghter, cant imagien the game will benefit from this at all
You mean the same people that have not seemigly reacted to the odd decision to remove beastmen as a faction. Even though Beastmen are one of the biggest dangers to man in the Old World. Or the ones that are willing to pay for three individal games to get the factions they should get in the base game?
You mean the same people that have not seemingly reacted to the odd decision to remove beastmen as a faction. Even though Beastmen are one of the biggest dangers to man in the Old World. Or the ones that are willing to pay for three individal games to get the factions they should get in the base game?
I don't think you appreciate how much time, work and money goes into video games. There is already plenty to go at in its current form. I have no doubt they'll get around to adding stuff further down the line.
I asked for a reason why people wanted to spend money on this game, and I don't see any of that but still. I suppose if people want a Warhammer game that bad, they will be willing to spend 60 USD on a buggy and half done game, seeing how the developers have of late have had a tendency to release games that require a year worth of patches to be playable
Well, no, you asked why people were 'so giddy', and I think the answer to that question is the word "Warhammer" next to the words "Total War", which, again, is something a lot of people have wanted for ages. Could there be bugs? Maybe, but I don't think they'll be incredibly serious. The fact that they've turned their pre-order bonus into an early adopter bonus that lasts a week after release strikes me as a good sign, as do all the previews and campaign samples we've been getting. I think the team's pretty invested in this one, and I'm certainly willing to give them a chance.
In a total war game the fluff of a now dead gamesystem should not matter. But then again, its a GW releated product we are discusing. And they should have dropped the silly limitations altoghter, cant imagien the game will benefit from this at all
That's a bit like looking at Rome or Medieval 2 and saying 'It's a Total War game, the structure of a now dead empire shouldn't matter'. It...kinda should, that's the point. I still don't see how limiting conquest is exceptionally fluffy - Grom conquered several Empire cities, even if he didn't stick around too long, and although we haven't seen vampires nesting in a Karak or dwarves ruling an Empire town, I don't see why they couldn't - but I think it does make for more interesting gameplay. There's more chances to sack or raze instead of just occupy.
And, again, if you don't like it, there's a mod coming to fix that.
You mean the same people that have not seemigly reacted to the odd decision to remove beastmen as a faction. Even though Beastmen are one of the biggest dangers to man in the Old World. Or the ones that are willing to pay for three individal games to get the factions they should get in the base game?
I'd think skaven would get more protests myself, but I'm expecting all of them sooner or later. There's a lot of work to be put into making a Warhammer faction, moreso than a historical one (they have to animate entirely new skeletons for them if they're not human, for a start), and I don't mind having to wait to see some of the factions. Plus, the extra games are going to be covering a huge area...when they get around to high and dark elves, they're basically going to need a new map with two new continents. The combined planned trilogy is going to be huge.
Doesn't sound like it's your cup of tea, though. Oh well!
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they've promised at least one FLC race (probably Bretonnians) and want to release every race eventually.
The word way back when was that all of the races would be released... spread across three games that are fully cross-compatible.
My focus is on the Tomb Kings and the Dark Elves, so I've got no interest in the races that will apparently be in this game. Still undecided about whether or not I want to get it at this point, or wait until one of the races I'm interested in is released (presumably in a later game), and pick this one up at that point when it's been discounted.
they've promised at least one FLC race (probably Bretonnians) and want to release every race eventually.
The word way back when was that all of the races would be released... spread across three games that are fully cross-compatible.
My focus is on the Tomb Kings and the Dark Elves, so I've got no interest in the races that will apparently be in this game. Still undecided about whether or not I want to get it at this point, or wait until one of the races I'm interested in is released (presumably in a later game), and pick this one up at that point when it's been discounted.
Yup, that's what I meant! It'd bother me if there wasn't so much ground to cover and work to do on each faction. I'd rather have three games with each faction having justice done to it than one with them all crammed in.
I'd probably wait until it got a discount in your place, but I'm a greenskin fan and will do no such thing
For me it's more O&G, vampires and skaven mostly so 2 for 3. Skaven are still my favorite but i was heavily considering vampires before the game just flat out died. I even have some stuff left by a previous roommate and more by a guy that offered it to me (partly so i could play it with him). I just wish skaven got updated to 8th edition before the game was killed off. Hopefully when the Total War guys make them they're not a crappy army and aren't fairly weak.
For the most part dwarfs are one of those factions that i almost feel no interest for. They are a static gun-line and aside from their melee they're kinda like tau of Warhammer Fantasy. Empire might be interesting with the goofy machines (skaven did that better though) and pistoliers. What i like about empire is their gun-line can be a bit less static than dwarfs who need it. Vampires though are just amazing. I hope they tap into mannfred's more cunning aspect than focus on him being a melee combatant. He's not even really a melee vampire to begin with but a magic based one.
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I think there will be several post game 1 races before game 2 comes out. I expect Bretonnians (nearly done as a npc race already), Wood Elves, Beastmen, and Skaven, and possibly tomb kings and ogre kingdoms. I would imagine game 2 would add the dark elves, high elves, slann, and the rest of the chaos.
endur wrote: I think there will be several post game 1 races before game 2 comes out. I expect Bretonnians (nearly done as a npc race already), Wood Elves, Beastmen, and Skaven, and possibly tomb kings and ogre kingdoms. I would imagine game 2 would add the dark elves, high elves, slann, and the rest of the chaos.
I suspect that Wood Elves will go in whichever game has the other two Elven races, just for thematic reasons (though I admit, geographically, it makes sense to put them in the same game as the Bretonnians).
More importantly, though, using the list you built, who's left for the third game?
From what I have seen of the map and the individual races it certainly doesn't seem like we are being sold an unfinished game. Sure there are very few races at the moment but they all seem to play so differently that you could play as each faction for a whole game without getting bored. Curious to see how not being able to conquer every bit of land will play out, honestly I think it could make the end game more exciting as there will still be powerful factions left rather than a few city states that are just a nuisance.
All that being said I think I will hold off buying the game until they release the second instalment. By then all the DLCs will hopefully be included in a cheaper bundle. Also this is a TW game which means it will be buggy and unplayable for at least the first year. Rome 2 is still broken for me after all...
The pre-load for the game is now up. You can download the game now.
Update:
Ok well i loaded everything up. Just gotta wait till release now.
There's a dude on youtube with tens of thousands of views on his videos that says the singleplayer campaign is a 9 out of 10 and multi is like a 6 or 7 out of 10.
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So does the game let you start installing tonight at midnight? This is my first steam pre order. Thanks flaming for the tip that you could start the dl early!
Tagony wrote: So does the game let you start installing tonight at midnight? This is my first steam pre order. Thanks flaming for the tip that you could start the dl early!
pre-loading started sometime last week. So, as long as your Steam account is up and your computer is on, IIRC, it should install automatically in time for you to be playing on release.
For me it comes out on may 24th at noon. Which is in about 25 hours from this post. Sadly that'll be my lunch break at work tomorrow :(. Could be worse i suppose. During xcom 2's release i was on a vacation with family that i didn't enjoy being around.
The download is fairly small in comparison to xcom 2's. Xcom 2 took me like 17 hours while Total War: Warhammer was only about 6 or so hours of download. I see constant small updates every day or so that usually last about 2 minutes so i'm assuming small fixes before launch.
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Tagony wrote: So does the game let you start installing tonight at midnight? This is my first steam pre order. Thanks flaming for the tip that you could start the dl early!
It will unlock in 22 hours, so 1600 GMT on the 24th.
I would advise against preloading if you want to play the game at close to its launch time. The pre-installed game needs to be unpack/unlocked before it is playable, with X-COM2 this took far longer than simply downloading the game at launch.
Its quite ironic that Sega have advertised Warhammer far more than Games workshop ever did, doubly so after GW killed the entire game. There was a TW:W advert on before Game of Thrones on Sky...
Tagony wrote: So does the game let you start installing tonight at midnight? This is my first steam pre order. Thanks flaming for the tip that you could start the dl early!
Its quite ironic that Sega have advertised Warhammer far more than Games workshop ever did, doubly so after GW killed the entire game. There was a TW:W advert on before Game of Thrones on Sky...
That's because one is a video game and they also know what marketing is unlike GW. God this game was what fantasy needed. Kills me how GW killed the game. Thankfully they didn't pull out halfway through.
Hopefully we won't see an Age of Sigmar Total Conversion patch after release.
Though that would make a neat April Fools joke for next year.
Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation
Cre5po wrote: Pre-loaded and pumped to use Vampire Counts tomorrow morning
If anyone wants to add me on steam my ID is Crespo2008
Most my friends only play MOBAs so be nice to have some other fans of Warhammer on there!
There i just did. I'm excited for empire, O&G and vampire counts. Not sure who to play. At first i wanted to do vamps but the whole spiders running up enemy castle walls brought me great joy. Then empire has godly artillery.
You mean the same people that have not seemingly reacted to the odd decision to remove beastmen as a faction. Even though Beastmen are one of the biggest dangers to man in the Old World. Or the ones that are willing to pay for three individal games to get the factions they should get in the base game?
I don't think you appreciate how much time, work and money goes into video games. There is already plenty to go at in its current form. I have no doubt they'll get around to adding stuff further down the line.
Yeah... some of the biggest RTS's ever are based on three factions or fewer. Command and Conquer, Warcraft, Starcraft, etc... Total War give us a massive game, with sometimes a dozen or more factions... but how dare they make us pay an extra $10 to play more then 5 of them. Meanwhile I'm going to go spend $140 to play all three factions of Starcraft 2, that'll show those Total War guys.
Still will wait to get home from work before i play though. I'm not playing the game at 3 AM even if i sleep through the day to do it. Though it is super tempting ;P.
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I'm bummed. My laptop is the only device I have that can run this game, and it's hard on the fritz. Need to get that fixed before I can even contemplate trying this out.
You mean the same people that have not seemingly reacted to the odd decision to remove beastmen as a faction. Even though Beastmen are one of the biggest dangers to man in the Old World. Or the ones that are willing to pay for three individal games to get the factions they should get in the base game?
I don't think you appreciate how much time, work and money goes into video games. There is already plenty to go at in its current form. I have no doubt they'll get around to adding stuff further down the line.
Yeah... some of the biggest RTS's ever are based on three factions or fewer. Command and Conquer, Warcraft, Starcraft, etc... Total War give us a massive game, with sometimes a dozen or more factions... but how dare they make us pay an extra $10 to play more then 5 of them. Meanwhile I'm going to go spend $140 to play all three factions of Starcraft 2, that'll show those Total War guys.
The bigger issue for me is how are they going to balance all the factions. Starcraft 2 constantly complained one faction was always the strongest, c&c could never go without making one side in 3 completely OP and Warhammer has 15 factions. For all we know 8th edition did a fantastic job of balancing things....until Mat Ward showed up. As far as the video game goes i'm also somewhat unsure. I heard Dwarfs are the strongest but it's really too early to tell. Also this is more a single-player campaign than multi-player and i'm sure Creative Assembly would actually balance this crap out. Game companies do a better job of balancing usually than GW has since everything is released at once and constant fixes are thrown in with patches.
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