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 Ashiraya wrote:
Also, I noticed something really ing dumb.

The dwarf faction who hates me the most sent a massive army, rapidly marched to my most vulnerable cities and started to raze them. The closest available army I could send was Mannfred's elite army, which seemed suitable, so I sent them to intercept.

Cue a long merry goose chase as the dwarf army was tailed by Mannfred's. Their army had so much artillery and ranged weapons and the like so they destroyed small garrisons with little in the way of losses, so they razed every city they came in contact with (Nuln, the Moot, and surrounding cities) before marching to the next. Because you can't launch an attack the turn you march and you have to stay a certain distance away if you can't attack, Mannfred has only gained ground on them painfully slowly, and they have caused unbelievable amounts of destruction - including one city they razed, I started to rebuild and then they razed it again...

Mannfred only just caught the bastards and now they are doomed, but holy hell they did so much damage and to them it was most certainly worth the loss of their army.

There's a mod on the workshop that stops that arty/ranged unit spam: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=692306546

The main issue is not the army composition but the fact that they can rampage at will while chasing armies have a very difficult time catching them.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Also, I noticed something really ing dumb.

The dwarf faction who hates me the most sent a massive army, rapidly marched to my most vulnerable cities and started to raze them. The closest available army I could send was Mannfred's elite army, which seemed suitable, so I sent them to intercept.

Cue a long merry goose chase as the dwarf army was tailed by Mannfred's. Their army had so much artillery and ranged weapons and the like so they destroyed small garrisons with little in the way of losses, so they razed every city they came in contact with (Nuln, the Moot, and surrounding cities) before marching to the next. Because you can't launch an attack the turn you march and you have to stay a certain distance away if you can't attack, Mannfred has only gained ground on them painfully slowly, and they have caused unbelievable amounts of destruction - including one city they razed, I started to rebuild and then they razed it again...

Mannfred only just caught the bastards and now they are doomed, but holy hell they did so much damage and to them it was most certainly worth the loss of their army.

Use banshees to sabotage an army and slow em down. Also if possible take a 2nd army to ambush with or just ambush period (do it along a road or perhaps a choke-point they have to go through like a river passing). Marching seems stupid good but when you try to ambush it hides your army as long as they don't luckily detect. Then once you ambush you almost always win. You see the enemy's army in the ambush and you can deploy on all sides of it. The enemy has no chance to deploy whatsoever when ambushed.

That said if they do detect your army they can send other armies to fight it or just go past your army and attack a city anyway so be careful.

If the enemy a.i. doesn't see an enemy army in a place anymore they'll check around the other way and ambush makes you unseen to them obviously.

I did not have other armies available; they were fighting battles elsewhere. My banshees were similarly preoccupied, as this dwarf invasion came so suddenly.

 Ashiraya wrote:
I did not have other armies available; they were fighting battles elsewhere. My banshees were similarly preoccupied, as this dwarf invasion came so suddenly.

If nothing else ambush works wonders. They should come back around if they don't see you following em. That curiosity of theirs will turn into horror i'm sure.

Can't say I've ever had an ambush succeed over any of my playthroughs. Always detected without fail.

One thing I liked about older TW games was that siege weapons really slowed your armies down, and full cavalry ones were able to cross more distance. Currently, it feels like I could have a stack of 1 general and 19 cannon, and still move as fast as a stack of one mounted general and 19 light cavalry. I'm not altogether sure whether or not army composition actually impacts campaign map speed in TW:W, but it's definitely fethy.

 Avatar 720 wrote:
Can't say I've ever had an ambush succeed over any of my playthroughs. Always detected without fail.

One thing I liked about older TW games was that siege weapons really slowed your armies down, and full cavalry ones were able to cross more distance. Currently, it feels like I could have a stack of 1 general and 19 cannon, and still move as fast as a stack of one mounted general and 19 light cavalry. I'm not altogether sure whether or not army composition actually impacts campaign map speed in TW:W, but it's definitely fethy.

Are you going into ambush stance? Your army can adopt march, ambush and various other stances.

Yes.

Looks like I got Archaon really mad. He has started drowning me in full strength armies and ridiculously OP agents who assassinate and sabotage all in their path. My northmost outpost was quickly destroyed (this time he had the wits to destroy the reinforcement army first...)

But hey, at least I wiped that offending dwarf Karak from the face of the Old World, even if their remaining armies kept causing trouble even without cities.

Now Archaon is nearing Templehof, while I consolidate my armies to halt his advance. The tidewall is holding, barely.

I have lost a lot of land to the Warriors, but I am not out of the fight yet. Still, it is turn 150 and unless I can make the Warriors of Chaos stop coming they will draw too much of my attention to get rid of, since they seem to have set their sights solely for me.

Thoughts for the day: Giants are a massive pain, my cheap all-infantry armies had done well this far but the WoC tendency to spam chariots combined with the existence of the Giant unit has thus far caused massive trouble and forcing me to go for more expensive mixed forces.

Dark Magic is immensely useful for getting rid of heroes and monsters (who can otherwise do huge damage.) In my campaign against the Dwarves, Mannfred has flown ahead each time and assassinated their lords with repeated Life Leech casts, which has caused trouble for their morale early on.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Looks like I got Archaon really mad. He has started drowning me in full strength armies and ridiculously OP agents who assassinate and sabotage all in their path. My northmost outpost was quickly destroyed (this time he had the wits to destroy the reinforcement army first...)

But hey, at least I wiped that offending dwarf Karak from the face of the Old World, even if their remaining armies kept causing trouble even without cities.

Now Archaon is nearing Templehof, while I consolidate my armies to halt his advance. The tidewall is holding, barely.

I have lost a lot of land to the Warriors, but I am not out of the fight yet. Still, it is turn 150 and unless I can make the Warriors of Chaos stop coming they will draw too much of my attention to get rid of, since they seem to have set their sights solely for me.

Thoughts for the day: Giants are a massive pain, my cheap all-infantry armies had done well this far but the WoC tendency to spam chariots combined with the existence of the Giant unit has thus far caused massive trouble and forcing me to go for more expensive mixed forces.

Dark Magic is immensely useful for getting rid of heroes and monsters (who can otherwise do huge damage.) In my campaign against the Dwarves, Mannfred has flown ahead each time and assassinated their lords with repeated Life Leech casts, which has caused trouble for their morale early on.

As i said earlier on in the thread. If you have a lot of infantry and fight big things then enter forests. Forests hide your infantry and they massively slow big things down (trolls, possibly chariots and monsters). They take like a -80% debuff to speed and attack power if i remember correctly. Also since it hides your guys all their artillery can't shoot at you until they close and spot you.

I am aware, but forests are not always readily available.

Dunno if you guys saw but there's a patch incoming plus Free LC. This one is going to be blood knights for the vampire counts which if i remember were the best normal knights in the game (not including monstrous mounts like demigryphs).

They were also some of the most expensive models know to Humanity.

Pretty ironic that they're FLC.

they already have a mod for bloodknights, so it would be interesting to see which is better. I may keep the mod for unmounted bloodknights if they dont provide.


Won my first ever total war long Campaign yesterday! the armies of death completely wiped out the living. There are no more human empires, no more dwarfs and chaos has been completely destroyed, while I hold 90% of the empire's lands, the mountains and all of bretonnia! I have to say it was long but friggen awesome to have those final battles.

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
they already have a mod for bloodknights, so it would be interesting to see which is better. I may keep the mod for unmounted bloodknights if they dont provide.


Won my first ever total war long Campaign yesterday! the armies of death completely wiped out the living. There are no more human empires, no more dwarfs and chaos has been completely destroyed, while I hold 90% of the empire's lands, the mountains and all of bretonnia! I have to say it was long but friggen awesome to have those final battles.

how do you own the mountains? I thout vc cant own holds....

OgreChubbs wrote:

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
they already have a mod for bloodknights, so it would be interesting to see which is better. I may keep the mod for unmounted bloodknights if they dont provide.


Won my first ever total war long Campaign yesterday! the armies of death completely wiped out the living. There are no more human empires, no more dwarfs and chaos has been completely destroyed, while I hold 90% of the empire's lands, the mountains and all of bretonnia! I have to say it was long but friggen awesome to have those final battles.

how do you own the mountains? I thout vc cant own holds....

Conquer everwhere mod allows you todo as it says on the tin

I love this game, but Sigmar help me I'm awful at it. I'm way too nice, and the one time I did go on a conquering spree I had an Orc WAAAAGH! come up from Nuln and wreck my southernmost outpost. Bit of an inconvenience

OgreChubbs wrote:

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
they already have a mod for bloodknights, so it would be interesting to see which is better. I may keep the mod for unmounted bloodknights if they dont provide.


Won my first ever total war long Campaign yesterday! the armies of death completely wiped out the living. There are no more human empires, no more dwarfs and chaos has been completely destroyed, while I hold 90% of the empire's lands, the mountains and all of bretonnia! I have to say it was long but friggen awesome to have those final battles.

how do you own the mountains? I thout vc cant own holds....

Look in the mod workshop my friend, your life will be great

 Avatar 720 wrote:
They were also some of the most expensive models know to Humanity.

Pretty ironic that they're FLC.

I played i know. 100+ USD for 5. Jezzails were also terrible. A box of 3 for 52 USD. I think those two kits are some of the most expensive though sadly jezzails looked like ****. If i remember right the GW manager got like anywhere from 12-20 of em and they hurt back then. Odd as the leadership and BS wasn't too hot but they hit like a truck and honestly should've had the sniper rule. But hey as a 7th book in 8th edition don't give the most obvious sniper unit the sniper rule because screw skaven that's why. Least we got attention during end times. Poor bretonnia was written off completely. 2nd oldest army book before the game died sadly. We need new models. The specialty units are so fugly it's not even funny (censer bearers, plague monks and jezzails).

Monsters are a bit odd.

My Varghulf is a piece of love but while it is able to cause significant disruption in packed infantry blobs (inevitable in VC vs VC fights) it does not seem to do any real damage. Even if it does its lunge attack into a mosh pit and sends like 20+ skeletons and zombies flying, pretty much all of them just get up. In fact, all bar one or maybe two getting up again seems to happen every time it attacks.

Which not only looks kind of implausible, it also means it actually does not kill much. I run ultra unit size and killing one zombie per rattack is not going to cut it when you have slow attacks and 160 zombies to get through. The only real reason it usually racks up so many kills is because no one can kill it!

Perhaps big units cause lots of morale issues in small units?

I've been playing more of the chaos campaign though only on normal. Jesus if vampires is hard mode this is insane mode. You don't have many armies, unlocking tiers for tech costs money, just about everybody hates you and it's a constant cat and mouse hit and run style (which makes sense but is super hard). There's also no easy way to replenish armies quickly (empire has priests and vampires have vampire heroes). There's no ambush and since armies carry settlements on their backs you need to tech up each to recruit some units. So basically you gotta trade between hordes which if too close they cause attrition to each other.

I mean there are nice things about chaos like the super easy spread of chaos corruption and being able to recruit or build anywhere long as you have 25% movement but it's hard.

I'm really not sure about this blood DLC. I understand wanting to leave it out of the main game for age-rating purposes, but flogging it to people for anything more than £0.01 is shady. They want £2 for it, but if it had been in the main game, would that game have cost £41.99?

It's a small sum, but I can't help but feel like I'm being cheated out of two quid.

I've paid more for a cup of coffee. It feels like a pittance honestly.

Like I said, I know it's a small amount, but it's an amount I shouldn't have to pay. For a new playable army that was finished after release? Sure, fine. For an aspect of the game that was purposefully not included to begin with just so it wouldn't hurt sales? That's taking the piss.

 Avatar 720 wrote:
Like I said, I know it's a small amount, but it's an amount I shouldn't have to pay. For a new playable army that was finished after release? Sure, fine. For an aspect of the game that was purposefully not included to begin with just so it wouldn't hurt sales? That's taking the piss.

Listen as somebody that felt the sting of having a 3k points army of skaven which had an 8 page FAQ, were a 7th book not made for 8th, had GW nuke the whole Fantasy setting for AoS after making it look like 9th edition and has constantly been ripped off by GW for things that should be cheaper i think complaining about 3 USD for Blood is annoying but super manageable. Seriously video gamers are so spoiled and they don't even know it. I spent 600 USD just to get 1,000 points of dark eldar with all army books and they suck in power level between armies. Oh and the average game is at least 2,000 to 2,500 points. Not to mention the constant updates which often make your army list invalid and the special supplements which you need to be competitive. So basically for 60 USD i can get 5 armies if i pre-ordered or ordered within a week with free blood knight DLC. Ya know blood knights the unit GW sells 5 for 100+ USD in finecast crap.

I'm just saying after playing tabletop wargames esp one where GW totally nuked my setting for a setting where some of the old armies can get re-rolls for having a more fantastic mustache (and i'm not actually joking) and still pay hundreds to play this with no going back to the old game in GW stores and killing off old armies, making horrible new ones and converting all square bases to round bases because apparently bases don't matter. It's just total garbage and that's putting it nicely. As i said before i'd buy this game 3 times over with all DLC if i had to. Some person i used to play with even said CA or Sega actually sued GW for killing the setting during production and honestly i hope they won. Also the name changes and lore changes are just garbage. It hurts most going into a GW and seeing the AoS stuff, some people saying Fantasy players were whiners, hearing the totally gutted names for copyright purposes and the totally gutted lore. I play 40k now exclusively and considering the upcoming End Times for 40k i will probably leave GW completely. I swear GW is putting themselves on a nose dive to destruction. If only GW wasn't stupid maybe the company could have been saved.

 Avatar 720 wrote:
I'm really not sure about this blood DLC. I understand wanting to leave it out of the main game for age-rating purposes, but flogging it to people for anything more than £0.01 is shady. They want £2 for it, but if it had been in the main game, would that game have cost £41.99?

It's a small sum, but I can't help but feel like I'm being cheated out of two quid.

They've included it in every game for a small fee since Shogun 2. Kind of silly, if you ask me. But eh... whatever.

I don't plan to get it.

Wait till you see a less "generous" video game company and their dlc practices. They make GW look angels sent by god to teach people good value sense and offer them cheap deals.

Some companies so cheap they charge for one shade of yellow each use or can be a high few for access to it completely forever. Until their servers go down. To the point where customizing one character in game will be more than you pay in a lifetime to paint models.

 Gamgee wrote:
Wait till you see a less "generous" video game company and their dlc practices. They make GW look angels sent by god to teach people good value sense and offer them cheap deals.

Some companies so cheap they charge for one shade of yellow each use or can be a high few for access to it completely forever. Until their servers go down. To the point where customizing one character in game will be more than you pay in a lifetime to paint models.

Hard for me to believe excepting those 'pay to play' games and i'm pretty sure most gamers rioted that crap to the ground. In many ways i hope GW burns itself to the ground. If they're going to be as evil and stupid as they've been they deserve it. They get what's coming to em.

Other than that i've taken a break for now to play xcom 2. This game is great but i'm waiting for more playable factions. I may play a new empire campaign at some point. I never finished greenskins as i got bored and warriors of chaos was boring but also really hard.

Like I've already said, it's not the sum, it's the principle. Everyone knows damn well that if SEGA weren't chasing a lower ESRB rating the blood would've come as standard for no extra cost to the case game. Saying "we didn't include it so we could play the ratings system to boost sales, but feth it give us an extra £2 anyway" absolutely stinks. There's nothing spoiled about disliking objectively shady business practices. Why was it not just free like the Blood Knights?

 Avatar 720 wrote:
Like I've already said, it's not the sum, it's the principle. Everyone knows damn well that if SEGA weren't chasing a lower ESRB rating the blood would've come as standard for no extra cost to the case game. Saying "we didn't include it so we could play the ratings system to boost sales, but feth it give us an extra £2 anyway" absolutely stinks. There's nothing spoiled about disliking objectively shady business practices. Why was it not just free like the Blood Knights?

3 USD is just 3 USD. I pay like 12 USD for a sandwich at panera every week when i go to GW. It is such a nothing deal and you're making it into one. Yeah it's an extra cost. Yeah it kinda sucks. GW however has screwed over players of Fantasy esp. in so many ways i hope the company goes under. Seriously i use a hobby knife that cost maybe 4-6 USD and they sell one at GW for 25 USD. That is absolutely insane at the price. It's like the kind of sales you get when going to an amusement park or theater.