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SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Because swordsmen are shielded and are way cheaper?

Shields don't do much compared to 70 more armour. Cheapness applies to armoured swordsmen too.

Formosa wrote:Because they have different rolls, one is shielded and high defence, the other is armour piecing and anti elite, and each has a different cost, armoured swordsman are just swordsman +1 for no reason, knights of morr are just better than everything at everything, so no need for Greatswords, Spears, halberds and normal swordsman, then we get into plugging holes in the weakness of an army for no reason, undead archers and handgunners, black orc arrer boys, it goes on, the unit balance is non existent.

Greatswords have 2 less melee defence. Due to their armour they'll last longer against anything. I'm not even sure they'll die more quickly to AP archers. The only advantage swordsmen really over them is the cost. That applies to armoured swordsmen too. Knights of Morr did seem a bit good but I don't know how good they'd be against heavily armoured troops or monsters. How much AP damage did they have? Undead archers were put in because it makes no sense not to have them (plus they are generally less cost effective than the archers of other races; same with Black Orc Arrer Boys). I mean, it's not amazingly balanced but neither is the base game.

But Greatswords are a lot more expensive. Armoured ones are very similar, just better.

If all you need is to hold up your enemy line so your cavalry can charge them in the rear, swordsmen do the job just as well as greatswords but for a much cheaper price. That is important, especially against things with very high armourpiercing damage such as giants or wraith units.

Slight updates on the game. I have mostly destroyed vampire counts. They now only have 2 territories and i've been able to mostly focus on the greenskins. I think my allies are attacking the norscan tribes continuously because i haven't faced much in the way of them. Really greenskins are the only real threat and we've killed a crap ton of their armies. Sad thing is there are only many more. I told my dwarf ally to go attack the greenies off their coast and bretonnia to attack the far flung weak armies while i hit some of the bigger armies near sylvania (there's like 5-6 of them there with one being a waaagh!!! army) Thankfully i have priests so as long as no units die in a turn or two my army is replenished. I have lost a couple units though so i'm starting to build some military buildings near the frontlines.

Anyway we should have this in the bag. I think my army power bar is only a third of the greenskins but i have allies whereas he's all by himself. Together i think we can take em down though i do keep feeding my allies gold every few turns to keep them from breaking the alliance and fighting me. I may stop giving border princes any money since they only have one territory and a war with them would end hilariously quickly in their defeat (i have 2 strong allies and about 25 or so territories while being the #2 power in the world).

I am really enjoying this game.

On my current run with Vlad the Dwarves have managed to wipe out the Orcs, which has never happened before in any of my campaigns.

I am more scared of the Dwarves than of Chaos at the moment, luckily I am allied with them so maybe my Undead corruption can sort them out.

 StygianBeach wrote:
I am really enjoying this game.

On my current run with Vlad the Dwarves have managed to wipe out the Orcs, which has never happened before in any of my campaigns.

I am more scared of the Dwarves than of Chaos at the moment, luckily I am allied with them so maybe my Undead corruption can sort them out.

Yeah i've never seen that happen ever in any of my games. Dwarfs are usually first major faction to get wiped out which is rather sad but makes sense given confederations and all the start positions. Orcs are almost all in one spot, dwarfs are separated into small separate islands.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

 StygianBeach wrote:
I am really enjoying this game.

On my current run with Vlad the Dwarves have managed to wipe out the Orcs, which has never happened before in any of my campaigns.

I am more scared of the Dwarves than of Chaos at the moment, luckily I am allied with them so maybe my Undead corruption can sort them out.

Yeah i've never seen that happen ever in any of my games. Dwarfs are usually first major faction to get wiped out which is rather sad but makes sense given confederations and all the start positions. Orcs are almost all in one spot, dwarfs are separated into small separate islands.

I've been watching HeirofCarthage's play through, he had Dwarves take out the Greenskins on his. I just started a new empire run last night. Haven't gotten down there yet, but two southern Greenskin tribes got wiped out in the first 5 turns, so someone is kicking teeth in.

If you want Creative Assembly and Warhammer Total War to win some prizes vote here: http://www.gamesradar.com/goldenjoystickawards/

herjan1987 wrote:
If you want Creative Assembly and Warhammer Total War to win some prizes vote here: http://www.gamesradar.com/goldenjoystickawards/

Indie games: Man there's so many good ones in there this year!... And you just 100% know undertale is going to win it.

I felt dirty for that. I love Warhammer to death and i love Total War's version of it but Xcom 2 is my preferred game. I feel like a traitor now :(. Didn't mean to be. Oh and i haven't played the latest Deus Ex game yet. If there was a 2 choice system i would've gone for Total War: Warhammer as well though.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

herjan1987 wrote:
If you want Creative Assembly and Warhammer Total War to win some prizes vote here: http://www.gamesradar.com/goldenjoystickawards/

Indie games: Man there's so many good ones in there this year!... And you just 100% know undertale is going to win it.

Undertale tbh. Inside has the best atmosphere of any game I have seen ever, which is just amazing for an indie.

I couldn't vote for TW:W in any of its categories, really.

It's an alright game, but that's just it: it's alright, not award-winning.

 Avatar 720 wrote:
I couldn't vote for TW:W in any of its categories, really.

It's an alright game, but that's just it: it's alright, not award-winning.

I belive the word is mediocre, its rather sad to see that they have yet to manage to get simple things like ranged cavalry to be anywhere as well done as it was in Rome Total war 1 for instance.

Anyone have any idea of when the next DLC will be?

No clue, CA isn't saying and they said the leaked dlc timecharts were outdated.

I do wish people would stop swarming them on their Facebook and forums about it. If they rush it it's going to suck, quality takes time.

Not that the fans actually care about that, if it's lacking then they'll just blame CA and not even consider themselves the cause..

Elves of some kind iirc. Skaven last sadly.

Sweet, I was hoping for elves. Thanks for the replies!

It doesn't look like Warhammer at all. It looks like a unit/ buildings mod for Rome 2 or sth with a slight post process filter, could be middle earth or generic fantasy when it comes to landscapes/ surroundings and overall visual design. Oh no sorry big skulls on skulls, must be whfb.

Mark of Chaos was 10x more whfb (and its cinematics are 100x better, spot on and best ever), hell my Call of Warhammer with sweetfx is more whfb than this when it comes to mood.

Don't get me wrong, I'll be playing it to death and back. Still dissapointed though.

How does this not look like warhammer?

This game SCREAMS Warhammer to me. Massive armies clashing while magic and cannonballs scream by overhead.

 Ashiraya wrote:
How does this not look like warhammer?

Too realistic, too normal, too generic, too plastic when it comes to visual style. It lacks the grimdark, the eerie and the grit, is not twisted enough, IDK really. It's like it lacked the last touch of the visual designer that adds character to the visuals.

It's probably because they went for the more grounded, let's-make-it-look-more-plausible style of 8th edition instead of the old mass scale brothers Grimm esque bloody fairy tale, which is fine I guess but really not what I expected. I spent thousands of hours on various Total War games and really wanted this one to be differentiated more, instead when zoomed out, in the forest and without monsters, the TWW battle could be mistaken for Rome or sth

Plumbumbarum wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
How does this not look like warhammer?

Too realistic, too normal, too generic, too plastic when it comes to visual style. It lacks the grimdark, the eerie and the grit, is not twisted enough, IDK really. It's like it lacked the last touch of the visual designer that adds character to the visuals.

It's probably because they went for the more grounded, let's-make-it-look-more-plausible style of 8th edition instead of the old mass scale brothers Grimm esque bloody fairy tale, which is fine I guess but really not what I expected. I spent thousands of hours on various Total War games and really wanted this one to be differentiated more, instead when zoomed out, in the forest and without monsters, the TWW battle could be mistaken for Rome or sth

I am inclined to agree with you really

Plumbumbarum wrote:
I spent thousands of hours on various Total War games and really wanted this one to be differentiated more, instead when zoomed out, in the forest and without monsters, the TWW battle could be mistaken for Rome or sth

To be fair, any edition of Warhammer Fantasy , with the less fantasy centric terrain and without monsters could be mistaken for historical wargaming at a distance.

It feels like Warhammer to me.

I think that's kinda the point they were making...

Even though I've been away from GW for 3 years now, and not been a part of Warhammer Fantasy for even longer (and still not played Warhammer Total War because borked computer), I can really imagine what people are saying. There is an inherent aesthetic to warhammer, that goes past just the races and their obvious paraphernalia.

I'm not gonna claim it's a unique aesthetic but there elements there that should be visible in most situations. - Even the wilderness things like abandoned shrines, corrupted trees, ancient dwarven monuments and the like should be there.

And that's without going full "Realm of Battle" random skull piles in the ground sort of thing.

Few googled pics from Mark of Chaos, a not perfect but imo much better Warhammer game in terms of art direction.

















I'll post my gameplay pics when I get time to play.

Another DLC drop, with a release date of October 20th: http://store.steampowered.com/app/404014/#

Not Elves, unfortunately. Just a version of Grim & Grave for Dorfs and O&G.

 Avatar 720 wrote:
Another DLC drop, with a release date of October 20th: http://store.steampowered.com/app/404014/#

Not Elves, unfortunately. Just a version of Grim & Grave for Dorfs and O&G.

It brings Squigs! Squig Herds and Squig Hoppers

Surprised how Goblin focused it is, but can't lie that I enjoy it.

For $8, I will probably get it. Would really love some word on when to expect the Elves though. The base games playability is starting to wear a bit thin for me.

I am hold off on all DLC purchases until its bundled into a sane pricing package. I am prepared to wait a year or two if necessary.

I limit my Warhammer gamplay to keep it fresh, and thankfully all the DLC is avialable to opfor so I still experience it, I even get to use it if I confederate with a faction with some. I dont mind that at all, in fact I am happier to play Empire and have half the units - other Empire faction only. I am not missing much all told, and when I got an Arch Lector by confederating with Middenland, he was more precious to me than other generic lords, and his loss more keenly felt.


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I liked Shadow of the Horned Rat, Dark Omen and Mark of Chaos, all three were decent games in my opinion, though Horned Rat was very difficult and is also too dated to play today.

The two unit packs currently out are priced a little better, and Chaos is alright, but the Call of the Beastmen is taking the piss a bit. I get that they packaged a whole separate mini-campaign with it, but I don't want that and I'd wager that most people playing it don't, either. I might have gone for it if it was a mini-campaign and two new races, like Wood Elves and Beastmen, but not for a single race.

I'd have bought them by themselves for £5-£6, but I'm not buying them at all until I can get their DLC on sale for around that price--the price that I believe is worth what content of it I'll actually use. If that means waiting 2 years or so for it to reach 66% off on Steam, then so be it.

Pretty excited for this DLC. Can't wait to field more fleshed out Night Goblin armies. It'll be madness! Sad that the Mangler Squig hasn't made the cut, though.

From the snippet in White Dwarf a month or two ago, I think Bretonnians are next up as a freebie race pack. I've been avoiding the mods that add them as a faction, because I'd rather wait for the official release.

I will wait until it goes on sale probably. The Bretonnians I'm pretty excited about. If only to have the extra flavor of the game.