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If IS were purely an army fighting other soldiers, I could see my way to agreeing with your point... But in my mind, it stops being war and starts being murder, the moment civilians are killed for just existing.
No historical force has clean hands, but bullies and murderers are not strictly the same as warriors with opposing beliefs to the other army.

If the painted army were satirical or clever, then it's another matter. But if it's crass and there for shock value, I'm not going to bother spending my time with someone to validate their dubious idea.

Eh. Bronies pay the vast majority of my wages, so I meet a great many. I can't say what they're like internationally, but over here they're a very kind, creative community. Little eccentric, quite passionate, outspoken and not always too socially aware.
That last sentence could be applied to numerous subcultures, including this one, so I stay off my high horse (even if it is fabulous).

I've never heard of anyone doing an ISIS theme in 40k, but I have seen a battle report on youtube for Infinity's haqqislam where a guy was calling his army haqqISIS and pretty much roleplaying a terrorist throughout the game.

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
If IS were purely an army fighting other soldiers, I could see my way to agreeing with your point... But in my mind, it stops being war and starts being murder, the moment civilians are killed for just existing.

Sure, but to me it's just another place to subjective draw a line. More civilians died in WW2 than combatants, and even of the combatants a lot of them were just pushed to the front line to die, there's been a few times I've thought "isn't this a bit disrespectful?", especially some eastern front games.

If the painted army were satirical or clever, then it's another matter. But if it's crass and there for shock value, I'm not going to bother spending my time with someone to validate their dubious idea.

It's almost impossible to tell that at face value though. I tend to be on the side of not judging motives or intelligence because all those things you mention (satire, cleverness, crassness) are subjective. If there's something I don't like I just walk away.

Depends on what you mean by an IS themed army.

A low-tech desert themed army would definitly be awesome and by no means offensive. But IS imagery would not be so great I think.

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
If IS were purely an army fighting other soldiers, I could see my way to agreeing with your point... But in my mind, it stops being war and starts being murder, the moment civilians are killed for just existing.
No historical force has clean hands, but bullies and murderers are not strictly the same as warriors with opposing beliefs to the other army.

If the painted army were satirical or clever, then it's another matter. But if it's crass and there for shock value, I'm not going to bother spending my time with someone to validate their dubious idea.

Eh. Bronies pay the vast majority of my wages, so I meet a great many. I can't say what they're like internationally, but over here they're a very kind, creative community. Little eccentric, quite passionate, outspoken and not always too socially aware.
That last sentence could be applied to numerous subcultures, including this one, so I stay off my high horse (even if it is fabulous).

This! Totaly agree. ISIS does not behave like a an army, at least not a regimental one like the Russain Army, for example. ISIS just goes out, raid a city, broke a bank, capture an oil platform and then execute people for fun. The next day they retreat, remove their uniforms and go have a drink and a snack among the many civilians.

 Henners91 wrote:

 Freakazoitt wrote:
Henners91

do you know, ISIL banned in Russia?

I would hope that they're banned from every civilised country (if we're talking about entry...)

I mean, symbolics, images, representation etc.

Just want to echo an earlier post, I'm amazed how civil this discussion is, considering some of the rage you get if you mention you collect Eldar!

Surely ISIS would fit more into the Chaos Cultist line of models. Religious fanatics? I'm not religious in any way and each one has their own fanatics who take things too far/out of context and tarnish that religions name.

I think having ISIS models on a table top would be about as acceptable as having a Westboro Baptist Church themed SoB army, with all their lovely "god hates......" banners

Dropbear Victim wrote:
I've never heard of anyone doing an ISIS theme in 40k, but I have seen a battle report on youtube for Infinity's haqqislam where a guy was calling his army haqqISIS and pretty much roleplaying a terrorist throughout the game.

Well, there's someone who totally missed the point. Haqqislam in Infinity is made up of the sort of people who ISIS would be burning, shooting or blowing up; moderate Islam, having removed itself from the fundamentalist extreme. That makes as much sense as a Sisterrs of Battle army with Khorne symbols.

 Henners91 wrote:
To be honest I can see why you'd judge an ISIS army harshly.

Then why ask if it's acceptable to play as?

I actually don't react well the Nazi armies myself - it's not that I think that the person who built them is necessarily a Nazi himself, it's just that I am very cautious of what I think is a kind of 'fetishisation' of the Wehrmacht, German equipment, etc.

The Emperor is basically Hitler

Too often do you hear statements like 'Oh the Wehrmacht were only men, the SS were the bad guys, etc.'

This is very true

Nope, still wrong, you've a few screws loose if you outright model your army on the Wehrmacht directly.

What do you think Cadia is?

Likewise I can see why people would think an ISIS army a deliberate attempt to be edgy... or just downright worrying.

Again, why are you asking if its OK to play it?

I think you may want to stay away from doing that, its a good way to piss people off and/or get kicked out of a store.

The Emperor is like Hitler? How?

Nah, the emperor wasn't quuuiiite Hitler. He was set on expanding and uniting all humans and planets into the Imperium, and did create an army of super soldiers, but he didn't regard anyone of his own species inferior, and was technically a mutant himself, being a psyker.
The extremists that followed and warped his ideals, and did actively start persecuting those in their path, they're more comparable.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Henners91 wrote:
To be honest I can see why you'd judge an ISIS army harshly.

Then why ask if it's acceptable to play as?

Consult my original post: I never asked if playing such an army was acceptable. I asked if anyone had seen such an army since I believe that, somewhere on the internet, it probably exists.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
What do you think Cadia is?

Beyond some similarities with their headwear (namely their peaked caps and gerbsjager-style NCO caps) I don't see a similarity. They're an abstract militarised society with an aesthetic similarity to the Starship Troopers.

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
Nah, the emperor wasn't quuuiiite Hitler. He was set on expanding and uniting all humans and planets into the Imperium, and did create an army of super soldiers, but he didn't regard anyone of his own species inferior, and was technically a mutant himself, being a psyker.
The extremists that followed and warped his ideals, and did actively start persecuting those in their path, they're more comparable.

Purge the Xenos? Xenos aren't human and therefore inferior. Hitler alienated people who were "inferior"

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
Nah, the emperor wasn't quuuiiite Hitler. He was set on expanding and uniting all humans and planets into the Imperium, and did create an army of super soldiers, but he didn't regard anyone of his own species inferior, and was technically a mutant himself, being a psyker.
The extremists that followed and warped his ideals, and did actively start persecuting those in their path, they're more comparable.

Purge the Xenos? Xenos aren't human and therefore inferior. Hitler alienated people who were "inferior"

The racial and cultular difference does not matter as long as you serve the Emperor - If you deny him that means you are simply a Heretic.
Hatred against other humanoid aliens is a bit different and the whole Idea to purge to xenos is derailed from a simple race hatred. Even before the Emperor People that colonised the space could not trust xenos, because of the endless ivasions of different xenos to their planets that almost always resulted in large scale genosides against the human race.

 DalinCriid wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
Nah, the emperor wasn't quuuiiite Hitler. He was set on expanding and uniting all humans and planets into the Imperium, and did create an army of super soldiers, but he didn't regard anyone of his own species inferior, and was technically a mutant himself, being a psyker.
The extremists that followed and warped his ideals, and did actively start persecuting those in their path, they're more comparable.

Purge the Xenos? Xenos aren't human and therefore inferior. Hitler alienated people who were "inferior"

The racial and cultular difference does not matter as long as you serve the Emperor - If you deny him that means you are simply a Heretic.
Hatred against other humanoid aliens is a bit different and the whole Idea to purge to xenos is derailed from a simple race hatred. Even before the Emperor People that colonised the space could not trust xenos, because of the endless ivasions of different xenos to their planets that almost always resulted in large scale genosides against the human race.

Or, if you believe the Rogue Trader books from FFG, Xenos can actually live in the Imperium if they worship the Emperor

Overall there are some xenos groups that are socialy accpeted, like the Moth people (that were once humans) in one the Gaunt Ghost novels. But such groups are less than 1 % and overall there is a good reason why people does not trust xenos - Dark Eldars are pirates that raid and enslave your peole, orkz are growing from mushrooms, tau are communists, necrons hates you just because you breath and Chaos is something I dont even wanna describe. Hell yeah, I have some good damn reasons why I shouldn't be friend with xenos in the world of 40K.

The whole Hitler thing. Yes, the methods the Emperor is using are the same as those Hitler had - Great Crusade, Blitzkrieg etc. The method is the same, however the GOAL is really, really different. The Emperor united the people and lead them to Enlighmnet and saved humanity from the Old Night. What Hitler was doing in the latest stage of WW2 was the oposite - entering the old night.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 DalinCriid wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
Nah, the emperor wasn't quuuiiite Hitler. He was set on expanding and uniting all humans and planets into the Imperium, and did create an army of super soldiers, but he didn't regard anyone of his own species inferior, and was technically a mutant himself, being a psyker.
The extremists that followed and warped his ideals, and did actively start persecuting those in their path, they're more comparable.

Purge the Xenos? Xenos aren't human and therefore inferior. Hitler alienated people who were "inferior"

The racial and cultular difference does not matter as long as you serve the Emperor - If you deny him that means you are simply a Heretic.
Hatred against other humanoid aliens is a bit different and the whole Idea to purge to xenos is derailed from a simple race hatred. Even before the Emperor People that colonised the space could not trust xenos, because of the endless ivasions of different xenos to their planets that almost always resulted in large scale genosides against the human race.

Or, if you believe the Rogue Trader books from FFG, Xenos can actually live in the Imperium if they worship the Emperor

I'm not denying all cases of this happening, but you have to remember Rogue Traders are very powerful entities that scout the edges of morality themselves.
They get away with dealing with xenos and the xenos they encounter are often treated well, but they are a fringe group. Trying to pull that gak off in a central, heavily Imperial sector would result in a total disaster.

 Buttery Commissar wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 DalinCriid wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
Nah, the emperor wasn't quuuiiite Hitler. He was set on expanding and uniting all humans and planets into the Imperium, and did create an army of super soldiers, but he didn't regard anyone of his own species inferior, and was technically a mutant himself, being a psyker.
The extremists that followed and warped his ideals, and did actively start persecuting those in their path, they're more comparable.

Purge the Xenos? Xenos aren't human and therefore inferior. Hitler alienated people who were "inferior"

The racial and cultular difference does not matter as long as you serve the Emperor - If you deny him that means you are simply a Heretic.
Hatred against other humanoid aliens is a bit different and the whole Idea to purge to xenos is derailed from a simple race hatred. Even before the Emperor People that colonised the space could not trust xenos, because of the endless ivasions of different xenos to their planets that almost always resulted in large scale genosides against the human race.

Or, if you believe the Rogue Trader books from FFG, Xenos can actually live in the Imperium if they worship the Emperor

I'm not denying all cases of this happening, but you have to remember Rogue Traders are very powerful entities that scout the edges of morality themselves.
They get away with dealing with xenos and the xenos they encounter are often treated well, but they are a fringe group. Trying to pull that gak off in a central, heavily Imperial sector would result in a total disaster.

It requires many Purity seals

Rogue Traders can marry a crossdress eldar or grow ork fungi if they wanna, but only if they are not in the realms of the Imperium. That's the law issued by the Emperor. It's simple as that

I'm from sa, how's about a. A.W.B army and have the "wit wolf" as the warlord? If you don't know what that mweans ask somebody to educate you.

Why do slowed threads like these get replies. But threads showcasing models I worked hours and hours on struggle to get one. Hmmm.

Why are the Kardashian's famous?

I would personally be quite mad about someone presenting an ISIS based army that used the symbolism (Like using the flag ISIS uses) that they do. If it was more based on the weapons and how they look (More or less like desert fighters) I wouldnt have a problem with that.

Modern armies like ISIS would be rare. Our view to Arabian religious , freedom fighters or has changed a lot the least 20 years from the exotic good rebels who like to kill the bad guys to a horde of evil barbarians who like to kill us and make videos of it..
If you want to see something interesting look at the old DND book : Al-Qadim - Assassin Mountain or just rewatch Rambo III
My guess is that there would be some veterans who could own some nice exotic Arabian religious rebel army.
Personally I do not like it if players theme their 40k army to a real national army ( US & German armies are quite common).
It is not that I would not play against them,but I never feel completely at ease when I'm playing with players who are just a bit too much into it. An ISIS, KKK or Nazi army in combination with strange behaviour, would probably result in me doing a small background check on you before I consider the next battle. Same holds true for players who like to post their facebook wall full of extremist views and can't stop talking about it during the game. If you want to play a jihadi army, consider playing an other game system then 40k. There are a lot of historical games and historical inspired games where the other players might appreciate it more.

ISIS are a bit to current to get away with maybe. You could just say their mujahadeen or something? If you can have vietnam themed catachans you can have mujahadeen themed whatever, its pretty much the same time period.

You might wan to check out games like these ( and players who like to play them )

https://ospreypublishing.com/store/osprey-games/force-on-force

Here is a battle report

http://smallscaleoperations.blogspot.nl/2013/11/a-few-blocks-of-hell-force-on-force.html

I think that they certainly put across a very intimateing look with there black uniforms and flags, but most of them are so rag tag it wouldn't work with most guard army's. Catichan sort of have that gurrila feeling but Isis are now more an army than a resitance fore, so that would go better with the guard theam. As for the religious zelousy well that definitely goes with some guard regiments. However the way they are viewed in the west perhaps renegade or traitour guard would be more fitting?

Was reading a old wd (10years old I think) came accross a desert army, will see If I can find it again later and post pics.

KINGPIN54 wrote:
Was reading a old wd (10years old I think) came accross a desert army, will see If I can find it again later and post pics.

It's Tallarn. They're still around.

And they weren't based on Arabs, they were based upon the British LRDG/SAS during WWII.