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Still no formation that takes advantage of the tau fortifications huh? And looks like only one can use the storm surge.

 Orock wrote:
Still no formation that takes advantage of the tau fortifications huh? And looks like only one can use the storm surge.

Taurus...?

There is a stand-alone formation with some Tidewall parts - Tidewall Couterstrike Cadre. However, there are only 200 boxes worldwide, IIRC.

You can always grab a Heavy Retribution Cadre for more Stormsurges

 Vector Strike wrote:

 Orock wrote:
Still no formation that takes advantage of the tau fortifications huh? And looks like only one can use the storm surge.

Taurus...?

There is a stand-alone formation with some Tidewall parts - Tidewall Couterstrike Cadre. However, there are only 200 boxes worldwide, IIRC.

You can always grab a Heavy Retribution Cadre for more Stormsurges

It was only 200 for the complete box. You can buy the pieces separately now.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Of course Tau can do Battlesuit Troops, but Blood Angels can't do Assault Marine Troops.

Well only one of those is 7.5 edition Power Codex.......

I wonder if Farisght armeis suffer any of the appropriate restircitons on units they can choose (no Etherials, named SCs from the main Empire etc) - being cut off from the main Tau empire to a degree or if they have all the latest toys ..............I'd guess the latter.

Safer guess is it'll be the exact same restrictions as the last time around: No Aun'Va, no Shadowsun, everyone pays for bonding knives, and a completely different set of relics (so no FSE buffmander.)

Don't know why people insist that FSE players shouldn't have access to the new models. They got riptides and there was a fluff explanation for it (sympathizers on Vior'la, Farsight's former homeworld, which is the new scheme they've adopted for the box art and the sept that seems to be getting a lot of focus now), so why couldn't that work for the new stuff? Another ship arrives in Enclave space with a cargo hold full of ghostkeels and stormsurges, sent by an unknown ally back on Vior'la. Or maybe after the battles that take place in Mont'ka some of them just...go missing.

There, done. It's way more plausible and makes a hell of a lot more sense than some of the justifications for all the new crap Marines get with every new update, which basically amounts to "They always had this!" or "They found another lost STC template! What luck, huh?!", which in either case is just lazy writing to try and sell a new plastic kit that Marines didn't really need in the first place. I mean that's exactly what they're doing with the Tau stuff, too, but at least there's something more to it than "They just had it/found it somewhere."

And just one would be enough, as they could produce them in the enclaves. Or even just the designs.

 Sidstyler wrote:
Don't know why people insist that FSE players shouldn't have access to the new models. They got riptides and there was a fluff explanation for it (sympathizers on Vior'la, Farsight's former homeworld, which is the new scheme they've adopted for the box art and the sept that seems to be getting a lot of focus now), so why couldn't that work for the new stuff? Another ship arrives in Enclave space with a cargo hold full of ghostkeels and stormsurges, sent by an unknown ally back on Vior'la. Or maybe after the battles that take place in Mont'ka some of them just...go missing.

There, done. It's way more plausible and makes a hell of a lot more sense than some of the justifications for all the new crap Marines get with every new update, which basically amounts to "They always had this!" or "They found another lost STC template! What luck, huh?!", which in either case is just lazy writing to try and sell a new plastic kit that Marines didn't really need in the first place. I mean that's exactly what they're doing with the Tau stuff, too, but at least there's something more to it than "They just had it/found it somewhere."

Oh I hate the vast majority of the "themed" Space Marine units in the same way - but do you really think that the FE shuld have Etheriels ?? And all the new stuff they could just get via Allies - ame as the Imperium, ratehr than - yeah all the secret super super awesome stuff that we only just have enough of and we were limited to field in our life or death struggle with the Imperium - yeah we sent it first to that guy we might end up fighting a civil war with..................and we are not allowed to mention him or his works even by name on pain of punishment.

The ethereal formation is not part of the dawn contingent.

Nor are any of the new ghost/storm suit formations, or the riptide wing.


As for getting these through allies, it's allies - not lease. And current damocles situation - they are allied against the IoM.
They allied before against nids.
The enclaves and empire knows to cooperate on face of danger.

 Mr Morden wrote:

do you really think that the FE shuld have Etheriels ??

In the old codex it was justified because his entourage did have ethereals traveling with him even after he defied orders. They only died off when he got the Dawn Blade.

Plus...

 Mr Morden wrote:

And all the new stuff they could just get via Allies - ame as the Imperium, ratehr than - yeah all the secret super super awesome stuff that we only just have enough of and we were limited to field in our life or death struggle with the Imperium - yeah we sent it first to that guy we might end up fighting a civil war with..................and we are not allowed to mention him or his works even by name on pain of punishment.

... It's been strongly implied already that Farsight being denounced has shaken the empire pretty hard, and that there are elements within the empire proper that do not hold to Aun'Va's insistence that condemning such a large swath of their race is in the best interest of their race. This fractured attitude may go as far up as the ethereals themselves.

On top of that you probably have others who see the enclaves as an effective buffer zone.

And, ultimately the enclaves have manufacturing means and have not been splintered off for very long. Them not being able to reverse-engineer the new toys would be... odd.

It's been strongly implied already that Farsight being denounced has shaken the empire pretty hard, and that there are elements within the empire proper that do not hold to Aun'Va's insistence that condemning such a large swath of their race is in the best interest of their race. This fractured attitude may go as far up as the ethereals themselves.

Don't tell me GW is finally adjusting the Tau background to match the overall tone of 40k.

 Captain Joystick wrote:


... It's been strongly implied already that Farsight being denounced has shaken the empire pretty hard, and that there are elements within the empire proper that do not hold to Aun'Va's insistence that condemning such a large swath of their race is in the best interest of their race. This fractured attitude may go as far up as the ethereals themselves.

It's also been flatout stated that he has a newfound respect for Aun'Va after realizing that everything done in the Damocles Gulf has been one centuries long Kauyon strategy. There really isn't a clear indication of what may happen next. Shadowsun's and Farsight's recent fluff show a hint of wanting to kiss and make up each individually (Farsight's new respect for Aun'Va and Shadowsun using Farsight's Mirrorcodex in secret)... we just don't know how/if Aun'Va and the Ethereal caste will respond to any possible warming of relations in that cold war.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

Don't tell me GW is finally adjusting the Tau background to match the overall tone of 40k.

Well... Ok. I won't tell you that.

Mainly because that bit of fluff is from the Farsight supplement from two years ago...

In fact one of the Eight is a defector from the Empire proper.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
And just one would be enough, as they could produce them in the enclaves. Or even just the designs.

There is a specific line in the old FSE supplement that says when Torchstar brings the ship sent by the Farsight sympathizers from the Empire proper, the cargo bay contains several fully functional experimental Riptide battlesuits, along with "the blueprints and schematics for much more". Ostensibly, things like Stormsurges and Ghostkeels could've already been in development and the basic designs would've been sent along with the Vision of Aun'shi.

Farsight Enclaves wrote:997.M41 Hidden Allies - An unexpected visitor arrives in the Farsight Enclaves; the Vision of Aun’Shi, a ship seemingly devoid of crew and earmarked for the imminent Third Sphere Expansion. After checking thoroughly for some sort of trap, the stasis holds are opened and a young Tau, Commander Torchstar, is found among the frozen passengers. She awakens and explains how some old friends and sympathizers still remain among the septs who illicitly arranged for the ship’s course to be altered before launch. Secreted away in the cargo is a sizable collection of some of the Tau’s newest, untested technological prototypes, including several XV104 Riptide Battlesuits and the blueprints and schematics for much more.

Anyone else posted this yet? Saw it in the Glossary.

Mont'ka Glossary wrote:
Battlesuit Spearhead

In a Farsight Enclaves Detachment or Formation, XV8 Crisis Battlesuits are Troops choices instead of Elites choices.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Anyone else posted this yet? Saw it in the Glossary.

Mont'ka Glossary wrote:
Battlesuit Spearhead

In a Farsight Enclaves Detachment or Formation, XV8 Crisis Battlesuits are Troops choices instead of Elites choices.

Yup. Saw it a while back. Because it sells kits. Though ASM Troops for Blood Angels would as well. But BA have to get the shaft.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Anyone else posted this yet? Saw it in the Glossary.

Mont'ka Glossary wrote:
Battlesuit Spearhead

In a Farsight Enclaves Detachment or Formation, XV8 Crisis Battlesuits are Troops choices instead of Elites choices.

Yup, already posted. With the apoc style formation based army construction though... it doesn't matter. GW is stuffing enough bonuses into the various decurion style contigents that I doubt anyone will use CAD with Tau for a single benefit of obsec.

I stand Corrected
3x R'Varnas in a Riptide wing will destroy anything
Activating the one use thing allows each riptide to spew out a maximum of 8! Large blast templates at S6/7/8
Goodbye ALL Infantry

commander dante wrote:
I stand Corrected
3x R'Varnas in a Riptide wing will destroy anything
Activating the one use thing allows each riptide to spew out a maximum of 8! Large blast templates at S6/7/8
Goodbye ALL Infantry

it is a good thing you can't use the R'Varna in a Riptide Wing, isn't it?

commander dante wrote:
I stand Corrected
3x R'Varnas in a Riptide wing will destroy anything
Activating the one use thing allows each riptide to spew out a maximum of 8! Large blast templates at S6/7/8
Goodbye ALL Infantry

How are you going to do that? R'Varnas aren't riptides. They are a completely different unit.

An email from FW said that its up to the players playing the game to allow their Riptides into the formations until they get around to faqing it. In what way they mean that no one knows.

Do we agree to let them take the place of Riptides? Do we give them the rules all the big suits have (the one that gives Riptides +1BS for having 3 in a squad), or do we simply bring therm in as another choice alongside Riptides during army creation? SO at some pont we'll see rules for them to be added to formations but how or in what way we don't know yet. I would love to see my opponent's face when I bust out 3 Y'vahrah with BS 5 and the formation benefits.

We don't have to wait that long, as we're supposed to see Tau in the next IA book.

 Gamgee wrote:
An email from FW said that its up to the players playing the game to allow their Riptides into the formations until they get around to faqing it. In what way they mean that no one knows.

Do we agree to let them take the place of Riptides? Do we give them the rules all the big suits have (the one that gives Riptides +1BS for having 3 in a squad), or do we simply bring therm in as another choice alongside Riptides during army creation? SO at some pont we'll see rules for them to be added to formations but how or in what way we don't know yet. I would love to see my opponent's face when I bust out 3 Y'vahrah with BS 5 and the formation benefits.

I wouldn't agree to it because the R'Varna isn't a Riptide. I wouldn't allow someone to use a Contemptor Dreadnought in the Gladius either. If they want to use them, take a CAD. The formations allow what they allow.


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 Kanluwen wrote:
We don't have to wait that long, as we're supposed to see Tau in the next IA book.

Has Forgeworld really been riding the wave of Formations the way GW has? Unless they put rules in there that allow the R'Varna to be used in place of a Riptide, the only place a R'Varna will see play is in a CAD.

 warboss wrote:

 Captain Joystick wrote:


... It's been strongly implied already that Farsight being denounced has shaken the empire pretty hard, and that there are elements within the empire proper that do not hold to Aun'Va's insistence that condemning such a large swath of their race is in the best interest of their race. This fractured attitude may go as far up as the ethereals themselves.

It's also been flatout stated that he has a newfound respect for Aun'Va after realizing that everything done in the Damocles Gulf has been one centuries long Kauyon strategy. There really isn't a clear indication of what may happen next. Shadowsun's and Farsight's recent fluff show a hint of wanting to kiss and make up each individually (Farsight's new respect for Aun'Va and Shadowsun using Farsight's Mirrorcodex in secret)... we just don't know how/if Aun'Va and the Ethereal caste will respond to any possible warming of relations in that cold war.

It also states in the new campaign book that even speaking about the Mirrorcodex would lead to "censure" and the "Malk'la" ritual down upon any who did so - even such important people as Shadowsun herself!

She says that "His (Farsights) name must not be spoken, no matter how dire the situation before us!" So when the Ethereal cast find out about the shipment of top secret weapons to such a Priarah they are hardly going to be pleased and are likely to enact at least the above punishments on those responsible?

Aun'Va in the fluff in the campaigns and the companion BL novels is a complete Sod - arrogant, foolhardy and apparently deliberately trying to get Shadowsun killed - if he dies in the new campaign - that may be a hopeful step for the Tau if they can reunite Farsight and Shadowsun. Apparently one of those three dies - but can Farsight even die now and what happens if he does - as not sure if his blade is Chaotic or Necron (or other Xenos).

 warboss wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Anyone else posted this yet? Saw it in the Glossary.

Mont'ka Glossary wrote:
Battlesuit Spearhead

In a Farsight Enclaves Detachment or Formation, XV8 Crisis Battlesuits are Troops choices instead of Elites choices.

Yup, already posted. With the apoc style formation based army construction though... it doesn't matter. GW is stuffing enough bonuses into the various decurion style contigents that I doubt anyone will use CAD with Tau for a single benefit of obsec.

I threw together an 1850 point list using a CAD solely for the fortifications and taunar. Right now none of the FW stuff works in the formations so CADs are the only way to go for them.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

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 Kanluwen wrote:
We don't have to wait that long, as we're supposed to see Tau in the next IA book.

Has Forgeworld really been riding the wave of Formations the way GW has? Unless they put rules in there that allow the R'Varna to be used in place of a Riptide, the only place a R'Varna will see play is in a CAD.

From the rumors we have, IA: The Doom of Mymeara 2nd Ed. has Formations for the Warhost Detachment and allows certain units to be taken in place of other units in some of the Formations that make up the Warhost Detachment.

Can the Sky Rays move to their maximum allowed distance and still fire all the missiles?

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Can the Sky Rays move to their maximum allowed distance and still fire all the missiles?

That probably is what the rule from the formation is supposed to say, but they must have screwed it up lol (as the rule literally does nothing right now).

So no, they cannot.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

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 Kanluwen wrote:
We don't have to wait that long, as we're supposed to see Tau in the next IA book.

Has Forgeworld really been riding the wave of Formations the way GW has? Unless they put rules in there that allow the R'Varna to be used in place of a Riptide, the only place a R'Varna will see play is in a CAD.

From the rumors we have, IA: The Doom of Mymeara 2nd Ed. has Formations for the Warhost Detachment and allows certain units to be taken in place of other units in some of the Formations that make up the Warhost Detachment.

That wouldn't surprise me in the least. Hopefully they release FAQs for the Space Marine book as well allowing stuff like Contemptor Dreads in the BDC and the various tanks when appropriate. But, until rules exist allowing FW units to be subbed in, I don't think it is appropriate to just shove things in wherever people want.

You know, as someone who doesn't like Farsight, and is a total Shadowsun fan, you can say the Mont'ka formations have me on board. I just love everything about them.

Also, for any SGU fans, doesn't the new Piranha formation just remind you of the nameless drone ships they encountered later on?

 Tinkrr wrote:
You know, as someone who doesn't like Farsight, and is a total Shadowsun fan, you can say the Mont'ka formations have me on board. I just love everything about them.

If I were to run a Tau army, if given the choice between Shadowsun and Farsight, I am totally going Char Clone on this one. Would totally do everything up in Zeon colors too. Because it would be awesome. Given that if I start a new army any time soon, Tau are going to be it, this may end up actually happening.

Crisis Suits in Zaku Green
Crisis Body Guards in Gouf Blue
Broadside Suits in Dom Purple
Riptides in Gelgoog Grey and Green

...*looks at checking account, sees money* NO, BE STRONG!

P.S. And since the Retaliation Cadre or whatever is now a Core Choice, I could run an all battle suit army! Decisions decisions.