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Note the key part. When you say faculty you have to be clear: at least one was a journalism professor.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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Note the key part. When you say faculty you have to be clear: at least one was a journalism professor.
Thanks. I wasn't intending to say multiple faculty members, but used poor wording. It was one faculty member that I was talking about, not multiple faculty members.
hotsauceman1 wrote: here in SC, Im not welcomed at protests, as a white straight male im part of the problem, not the solution.
So Im not the only one getting that feeling
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d-usa wrote: A public university is also private property. Same as a court house, city hall, military bases, etc etc etc. You can still trespass in a public space. A university has certain leeway when it comes to deciding who is allowed on campus.
Students assaulting reporters is a whole different story. And a faculty member of a very well regarded journalism school doing something this stupid borders on being impressive.
This was happening in a traditional public forum under a law passed this year in Missouri. Anyone has a right to free speech in that area. And students exercising their free speech rights by gathering there and protesting are utter hypocrites to deny others the same right.
d-usa wrote: A public university is also private property. Same as a court house, city hall, military bases, etc etc etc. You can still trespass in a public space. A university has certain leeway when it comes to deciding who is allowed on campus.
Students assaulting reporters is a whole different story. And a faculty member of a very well regarded journalism school doing something this stupid borders on being impressive.
This was happening in a traditional public forum under a law passed this year in Missouri. Anyone has a right to free speech in that area. And students exercising their free speech rights by gathering there and protesting are utter hypocrites to deny others the same right.
Whenever clumps of people band together to limit free speech, no matter how offensive that speech might be, let Christopher HItchens' lecture to the Canadians be heard.
d-usa wrote: A public university is also private property. Same as a court house, city hall, military bases, etc etc etc. You can still trespass in a public space. A university has certain leeway when it comes to deciding who is allowed on campus.
Students assaulting reporters is a whole different story. And a faculty member of a very well regarded journalism school doing something this stupid borders on being impressive.
This was happening in a traditional public forum under a law passed this year in Missouri. Anyone has a right to free speech in that area. And students exercising their free speech rights by gathering there and protesting are utter hypocrites to deny others the same right.
The law killed free speech zones and as odd as that sounds, it was a good thing. Before you could only speak out in designated zones. Some school had a free speech zone that was so limited it was basically pointless--the zone was a basketball court. Apparently though only Missouri and Virginia have this law regarding speech on campus.
I linked too that in my post though I guess it wasn't super obvious.
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d-usa wrote: A public university is also private property. Same as a court house, city hall, military bases, etc etc etc. You can still trespass in a public space. A university has certain leeway when it comes to deciding who is allowed on campus.
Students assaulting reporters is a whole different story. And a faculty member of a very well regarded journalism school doing something this stupid borders on being impressive.
This was happening in a traditional public forum under a law passed this year in Missouri. Anyone has a right to free speech in that area.
Nothing in that bill really prohibits a university from regulating access by news crews though. Reporting news is not covered by "peaceful assembly, protests, speeches, distribution of literature, carrying signs, or circulating petitions. Heck, I know that it is still exempted by fair use but I would hardly call any news today as "non-commercial" either.
And students exercising their free speech rights by gathering there and protesting are utter hypocrites to deny others the same right.
Hence "Students assaulting reporters is a whole different story. And a faculty member of a very well regarded journalism school doing something this stupid borders on being impressive", which you quoted.
Nothing in that bill really prohibits a university from regulating access by news crews though. Reporting news is not covered by "peaceful assembly, protests, speeches, distribution of literature, carrying signs, or circulating petitions. Heck, I know that it is still exempted by fair use but I would hardly call any news today as "non-commercial" either.
It's already protected by the First Amendment and that school journalist has EVERY. RIGHT. to be there.
The student protest at the University of Missouri began as a response to a serious problem — outbursts of vile racism on campus — and quickly devolved into an expression of a renewed left-wing hostility to freedom of expression. At the protest on Missouri’s campus yesterday, on a space that is expressly open to free expression, protesters barred journalists from covering the demonstrations. In one scene, protesters surrounded and harassed Tim Tai, a photographer with the student newspaper, chanting, “Hey, hey, ho, ho, journalists have got to go.” The scene is captured on a video here, which rewards close watching until the end, where Melissa Click, a professor of mass media working with the protest movement, calls out, “Help me get this reporter out of here. I need some muscle over here.”
It is possible — and, for many sympathizers on the left, convenient — to dismiss these sorts of incidents as just so much college high jinks. “College students have been saying stupid things since the invention of college students,” argues Daniel Drezner, in a passage that attracted widespread support on the left. It is probably true that a strange and sudden new hypersensitivity among young people has produced a widespread expectation of a right to be protected from offense. It is also undeniably true that outbursts of political correctness disproportionately take place in campus settings. In recent weeks, UCLA, Wesleyan, and Yale have seen left-wing student activism aimed at shutting down the expression of contrary viewpoints.
Even if it were the case that political correctness was totally confined to campuses, it would not make the phenomenon unimportant. Colleges have disproportionate influence over intellectual life, and political movements centered on campuses can spread well beyond them (anti-Vietnam began as a bunch of wacky kids, too). But to imagine p.c. as simply a thing college kids do relieves us of taking it seriously as a coherent set of beliefs, which it very much is. Political correctness is a system of thought that denies the legitimacy of political pluralism on issues of race and gender. It manifests itself most prominently in campus settings not because it’s a passing phase, like acne, but because the academy is one of the few bastions of American life where the p.c. left can muster the strength to impose its political hegemony upon others. The phenomenon also exists in other nonacademic left-wing communities, many of them virtual ones centered on social media, and its defenders include professional left-wing intellectuals.
The upsurge of political correctness is not just greasy-kid stuff, and it’s not just a bunch of weird, unfortunate events that somehow keep happening over and over. It’s the expression of a political culture with consistent norms, and philosophical premises that happen to be incompatible with liberalism. The reason every Marxist government in the history of the world turned massively repressive is not because they all had the misfortune of being hijacked by murderous thugs. It’s that the ideology itself prioritizes class justice over individual rights and makes no allowance for legitimate disagreement. (For those inclined to defend p.c. on the grounds that racism and sexism are important, bear in mind that the forms of repression Marxist government set out to eradicate were hardly imaginary.)
American political correctness has obviously never perpetrated the brutality of a communist government, but it has also never acquired the powers that come with full control of the machinery of the state. The continuous stream of small-scale outrages it generates is a testament to an illiberalism that runs deep down to its core (a character I tried to explain in my January essay).
The scene in Columbia and the recent scene in New Haven share a similar structure: jeering student mobs expressing incredulity at the idea of political democracy. As far as the students are concerned, they represent the cause of anti-racism, a fact that renders the need for debate irrelevant. Defenses of p.c. tactics simply sweep aside objections to the tactics as self-interested whining. “It’s not about creating an intellectual space,” shouts one Yalie. Notably, the events at Yale have redounded in New Haven to the benefit of the protesters, who have renewed their demands, and Nicholas Christakis, the Yale administrator seen pleading futilely for reason, issuing apologies for his behavior. Likewise, at Wesleyan, the student newspaper that sparked outrage by publishing the op-ed of a student (cautiously) questioning elements of the Black Lives Matter movement has been harshly sanctioned.
That these activists have been able to prevail, even in the face of frequently harsh national publicity highlighting the blunt illiberalism of their methods, confirms that these incidents reflect something deeper than a series of one-off episodes. They are carrying out the ideals of a movement that regards the delegitimization of dissent as a first-order goal. People on the left need to stop evading the question of political correctness — by laughing it off as college goofs, or interrogating the motives of p.c. critics, or ignoring it — and make a decision on whether they agree with it.
The bill says including but not limited to, and uses the broad term expresaive activities before giving the nonexclusive list. People recording, commenting on and reporting the events are engaging in expressive activities. I'm not aware of provisions that allow media to be excluded from traditional public forums which the area is by the terms of the law. Can you point me to relevant law that says media can be excluded from that forum?
The whole issue is a mere distraction anyway since no one with legal authority to do so forced the media people out. It was people who had no authority who were doing it. If the media were kicked out by the authorities, then whether the law protects them out not would be relevant.
WASHINGTON, Nov. 10, 2015 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Leaders of the National Press Club expressed concern Tuesday about a YouTube video and news reports that appear to document bullying of a student reporter by a crowd of activists on the University of Missouri campus.
The video showed a crowd of protesters trying to intimidate Tim Tai, a student photographer who was reportedly on assignment for ESPN, in an effort to keep him away from an enclave of protesters. The video showed at least two people who were said to be university staff members involved in mistreating Mr. Tai by pushing him or threatening to keep him away from the protest area.
"Mr. Tai was correct when he told the protesters that he has a First Amendment right to photograph in a public space, just as the activists have a First Amendment right to protest there," said John Hughes, president of the National Press Club. "The National Press Club calls upon the University of Missouri to make clear to its students and staff that reporters should not be kept from doing their jobs--and certainly not through physical force or threats. In the home of one of the world's great journalism schools, such behavior cannot be tolerated."
The National Press Club is the world's leading professional organization for journalists. For over 100 years, it has spoken out in favor of press freedom worldwide.
Contact: John M. Donnelly, chairman National Press Club Press Freedom Committee: jdonnelly@cq.com; 202 746 6020.
Gwaihirsbrother wrote: The bill says including but not limited to, and uses the broad term expresaive activities before giving the nonexclusive list. People recording, commenting on and reporting the events are engaging in expressive activities. I'm not aware of provisions that allow media to be excluded from traditional public forums which the area is by the terms of the law. Can you point me to relevant law that says media can be excluded from that forum?
Expressive activities doesn't necessarily mean reporting. The law is very concerned about speech happening at the university targeted at the university. Reporting doesn't have that same purpose and it is targeted at a completely different audience. This can further be complicated by trying to distinguish between journalism targeted at the students (writing for a student paper or a blog) and journalism targeting a non-school audience. And it is even more complicated since the journalist is a student, which makes things much more complicated, and if he was paid by ESPN to be there you get the whole non-commercial issue.
I was just responding to the comment that since it's "public" there is no way anybody could be prohibited from being there. I wasn't saying that this action was right, just that even a "public space" can have limited access if it is privately owned by a public body. There is a ton of prior case law and precedent that has given many reasons why many people can be blocked from many public spaces. Not all of those prior cases are good and shouldn't have happened, but they are there. Journalists are routinely removed from protests by police "for their safety" and areas are often cordoned off despite being public.
The whole issue is a mere distraction anyway since no one with legal authority to do so forced the media people out. It was people who had no authority who were doing it. If the media were kicked out by the authorities, then whether the law protects them out not would be relevant.
Again, hence why I said that it was a stupid actions by the students, and an even worse action by the faculty.
Your argument doesn't hold. The people doing the removing weren't police. They were protesters and a journalism professor who should be fired faster than I can spit.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Frazzled wrote: Your argument doesn't hold. The people doing the removing weren't police. They were protesters and a journalism professor who should be fired faster than I can spit.
Click is an associate Media professor... not of Journalism department. Different schools... the J-school professors are spitting mad about Click... but, I doubt she gets fired.
Frazzled wrote: Your argument doesn't hold. The people doing the removing weren't police. They were protesters and a journalism professor who should be fired faster than I can spit.
Students assaulting reporters is a whole different story. And a faculty member of a very well regarded journalism school doing something this stupid borders on being impressive.
Hence "Students assaulting reporters is a whole different story. And a faculty member of a very well regarded journalism school doing something this stupid borders on being impressive", which you quoted.
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It doesn't even make sense. Wouldn't these protesters want the exposure? Isn't that something every protester wants?
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And again, this seems like people are blow things out of of the water...
It's one assistant professor being a loon and she probably will be fired because she's an assistant professor with a cursory appointment. She's a glorified TA with a fancy title who behaved poorly on camera. She is not keeping her job. I'm not sure how her wackiness automatically translates to "these students are all crazy" or how it has anything to do with 'PC gone crazy.' That's just regular crazy.
It doesn't even make sense. Wouldn't these protesters want the exposure? Isn't that something every protester wants?
While I have no idea what this person would want the press gone, there was an incident at my University where some students were protesting a professor requiring them to attend political rally's for a Poli Sci course. They tried to stop the student news paper from taking their pictures saying they were afraid the school would use the pictures to single out and punish them... Which makes one wonder why they bothered protesting at all. I mean, it's not like everyone can see you when you're standing in the middle of a grass field!
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LordofHats wrote: And again, this seems like people are blow things out of of the water...
It's one assistant professor being a loon and she probably will be fired because she's an assistant professor with a cursory appointment. She's a glorified TA with a fancy title who behaved poorly on camera. She is not keeping her job. I'm not sure how her wackiness automatically translates to "these students are all crazy" or how it has anything to do with 'PC gone crazy.' That's just regular crazy.
It doesn't even make sense. Wouldn't these protesters want the exposure? Isn't that something every protester wants?
While I have no idea what this person would want the press gone, there was an incident at my University where some students were protesting a professor requiring them to attend political rally's for a Poli Sci course. They tried to stop the student news paper from taking their pictures saying they were afraid the school would use the pictures to single out and punish them... Which makes one wonder why they bothered protesting at all. I mean, it's not like everyone can see you when you're standing in the middle of a grass field!
Makes sense. Loudly protesting in a public place, and expecting to have privacy. Perfectly reasonable.
Meanwhile, the lovely lady who called for "muscle" to assault the student journalist is appoplogizing now like a big dog, no doubt more out of trying to save her career than any remorse:
I'm sorry the student had his camera smashed to the ground, his livelihood destroyed, protesters marching with him everywhere he goes to make sure that nobody ever does any business with him, had his home destroyed and burned to the ground, and then was beaten, tortured, and killed.
To summarize this thread:
Someone draws an actual real life swastika made out of human gak on a wall: what can you anybody really do about this....
Idiotic protesters push a student-reporter away from the public area and chant that they don't want him there: what a bunch of Nazis...
d-usa wrote: I'm sorry the student had his camera smashed to the ground, his livelihood destroyed, protesters marching with him everywhere he goes to make sure that nobody ever does any business with him, had his home destroyed and burned to the ground, and then was beaten, tortured, and killed.
To summarize this thread:
Someone draws an actual real life swastika made out of human gak on a wall: what can you anybody really do about this....
Idiotic protesters push a student-reporter away from the public area and chant that they don't want him there: what a bunch of Nazis...
I would say they aren't actually too far from that kind of thing, and it really wouldn't take much to get them there.
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