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MacMuckles wrote:


If this is being handled by FW, couldn't they just make a generic "Underhive Gangers" kit and release gang-specific torsos and heads like they already do with the HH marines?

Sort of like these....

http://www.madrobotminiatures.com/zencart/

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decker_cky wrote:

There's actually not a lot of overlap between Cawdor, Orlock and Van Saar. Orlock and Goliath (assuming goliath is the better scaled version) are the only two with any real overlap IMO.

Originally, that is something that could easily be changed though. Generic leather/rubberised torsos and limbs with more specific heads and bits would easily make visually distinctive gangs possible.

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

decker_cky wrote:

There's actually not a lot of overlap between Cawdor, Orlock and Van Saar. Orlock and Goliath (assuming goliath is the better scaled version) are the only two with any real overlap IMO.

Originally, that is something that could easily be changed though. Generic leather/rubberised torsos and limbs with more specific heads and bits would easily make visually distinctive gangs possible.

And I'm sure gw can make it a fun, modular kit. It's kind of their thing.

 Crazyterran wrote:
I don't think anyone would really pitch a fit if they made the gangs a bit more generic, and suggested kits to kit bash with and/or made specific gang conversion sets.

And would you really give someone a hard time in a store run necromunda campaign if he was running Van Saars with whatever the generic box may be? That's even assuming all the gangs survive into Necromunda 2016/17 edition.

I honestly don't think you have any idea how much that would piss off gamers. That's like saying no one would get pissed if GW just started making generic army men, and just said "change their heads if you want to make them a different army. Doesn't matter they're all just army men." Necromunda Houses are unique factions, with different backgrounds, strong aesthetics tied to those backgrounds, and all have unique skills based on their faction.

Yeah sure, anyone can play counts as with anything. But again, that's like saying, "well no one will mind if you just throw down some Tau and play them as Eldar. They're all just aliens anyway."

All that aside, assuming GW/FW can just do the absolute bare minimum in regards to a Specialist Games re-release and have it go over well is pretty naive.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
GW seem to have rid themselves of the idea that they exist for people to spend money on 40K.

Looking back at their long term history, we can as easily say that 40K cannibalised all the rest of their business, as that other games cannibalise sales off 40K.

Hahaha no. We might get one or two releases a year but 70 percent will still be 40k

when this first hit i thought it was more made-up bollocks from the rumour mill but i am pleased to be wrong. lets see what they bring us to play with

All the talk of Necromunda makes me want to see a plastic kit for some plastic industrial terrain and then have FW do some standalone tiles and structures to go with it.

 Starfarer wrote:

All that aside, assuming GW/FW can just do the absolute bare minimum in regards to a Specialist Games re-release and have it go over well is pretty naive.

That's what I am hoping for as it happens, much less chance of an AoS style feth up.

Incidentally My Necromunda gang are Van Saars, made entirely with Guardsmen from Victoria miniatures.

 aka_mythos wrote:
All the talk of Necromunda makes me want to see a plastic kit for some plastic industrial terrain and then have FW do some standalone tiles and structures to go with it.

Between the GW Manufactorum kit and the relay pipelines, as well as a bunch of 3rd party stuff, you can make some pretty awesome tables. FW terrain is great, but borders on absurdly expensive. They also already make some pretty nice tiles that could easily pass as industrial tiles, but variety certainly wouldn't hurt.

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:

All that aside, assuming GW/FW can just do the absolute bare minimum in regards to a Specialist Games re-release and have it go over well is pretty naive.

That's what I am hoping for as it happens, much less chance of an AoS style feth up.

Incidentally My Necromunda gang are Van Saars, made entirely with Guardsmen from Victoria miniatures.

Thankfully you're not in charge of this venture then. Funny that so many here seem to be equating this as a standard GW release, when we have multiple pieces of information, in writing, direct from GW, that this will largely be a FW run operation.

FW didn't make AoS. FW has not put out bad products, and is generally very well regarded in both their publications and their miniatures. FW=/=GW.

If you want generic 28mm models there are numerous companies who produce them, and sounds like you've already found something that works for you with Victoria Minis. I would argue the majority of current and former Necro players would prefer proper redone gangs and not a lackluster catch all release.

I am thrilled for a possible re-release of Necromunda.
Hopefully in the same GW-scale (heroic) and not the smallish and not easily converted FW-scale.

Prediction:
All miniatures resculpted and in plastic.

Starter box full of plastic terrain (none of that card-crap) and two teams - Delaque and sligthly skinnier "Whitness This!"-Goliaths.

Three gangs as separate boxed releases:
- Van Saar
- Eschers
- A completely new team (Cawdor and/or Orlock merged/replaced/changed)

Ratskins, Scavvies, Redemptionists, etc. gone.

Pit Slaves, Bounty Hunters, Scum, etc. as plastic clam packs.

Two-three larger kits (buildings or Mad Max-vehicles)

Plague Zombies released later as a campaign pack together with Zombie hunters/survivors, Walking Dead-style.

Enforcers/Arbites released later as a campaign pack (not realistic - but it would be awesome).

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 Eggs wrote:
They're maybe starting to realise that 40k proper is not the only decent revenue source.

I'm not a business genius, but I'm pretty sure that new editions, even if limited, of Space Crusade, Hero/warhammer Quest, Mordheim, Necromunda, Gorkamorka, some form of epic, Aeronautica Imperialis, BFG, blood bowl etc. would all turn a profit, PROVIDED that they created each as a boxed, standalone game that was fully playable. Add forgeworld expansions for the stuff like epic and BFG, and I think the company would have a healthy cash boost.

I think the Dreadfleet trauma is still there.

The way I understood it, a new Warhammer Quest or new GorkaMorka, should they do these (only using the example here), would not be specialist games these days, but main range boxed games (going to stores, retailers, etc..), almost certainly in plastic and likely with a later-date re-release of just the miniatures sans game. These are the games with miniatures that do fit into the main games.

Well, I'm hoping that the rumored Genestealer Cult game -- possibly combined with rumors of new Tyranid and IG codicies -- means that the stars are aligning for proper Genestealer Cults in 40K. Guess we'll see.

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

decker_cky wrote:

There's actually not a lot of overlap between Cawdor, Orlock and Van Saar. Orlock and Goliath (assuming goliath is the better scaled version) are the only two with any real overlap IMO.

Originally, that is something that could easily be changed though. Generic leather/rubberised torsos and limbs with more specific heads and bits would easily make visually distinctive gangs possible.

But why on earth would you want it to change? Visually and thematically distinct factions is one of the most appealing parts of the SGs, if they condensed them all down to "rubbery men with different heads" I'd have zero interest.

Been away from Dakka for a while.

This news has me cautiously excited. I've been painting up Necro figures and making alot of Necro terrain recently and running an occassional Necro campaign with my club. Being able to add a fig here or there (not sure if I'll be buying whole gangs at GW prices) will be a great thing.

However....
My concern is this. Will GW try and put the kybosh on the weath of Necromunda material that is already Quasi-public domain?

Places like YakTribe have maintained and organized all the PDF's that GW put out to the public, consisting of virtually every Necromunda publication ever released. This free material is largely what sustained the -albeit decreasing- sales of SG figs in the last few years of it's existance. Will GW try and C&D them and others into taking it all down?

If Andy h. Is involved then the yaktribe community will be honoured I'm sure.

 Eilif wrote:
Been away from Dakka for a while.

This news has me cautiously excited. I've been painting up Necro figures and making alot of Necro terrain recently and running an occassional Necro campaign with my club. Being able to add a fig here or there (not sure if I'll be buying whole gangs at GW prices) will be a great thing.

However....
My concern is this. Will GW try and put the kybosh on the weath of Necromunda material that is already Quasi-public domain?

Places like YakTribe have maintained and organized all the PDF's that GW put out to the public, consisting of virtually every Necromunda publication ever released. This free material is largely what sustained the -albeit decreasing- sales of SG figs in the last few years of it's existance. Will GW try and C&D them and others into taking it all down?

Wasn't there a kibosh on Space Hulk content online prior to the game's rerelease? I can't recall if that was prior to the phsycial games release or the announcement of the video game a few years back. In any case, yes, I'd expect the moat to be flooded against those IP "attackers" once GW is close to releasing something themselves again.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

decker_cky wrote:

There's actually not a lot of overlap between Cawdor, Orlock and Van Saar. Orlock and Goliath (assuming goliath is the better scaled version) are the only two with any real overlap IMO.

Originally, that is something that could easily be changed though. Generic leather/rubberised torsos and limbs with more specific heads and bits would easily make visually distinctive gangs possible.

But why on earth would you want it to change? Visually and thematically distinct factions is one of the most appealing parts of the SGs, if they condensed them all down to "rubbery men with different heads" I'd have zero interest.

Its the only realistic way that there will be a plastic release beyond a possible boxed set. There certainly wont be plastics for all the gangs.
I'm not arsed either way as I have just finished painting my apparently generic gang, which some people seem to think are unworthy of gracing the underhive, so Im not going to be buying another one as I like my current bunch of incompetents

Epic Orks is what I would be looking for.

As for trusting FW to successfully redesign games that don't actually need much, if anything, done to them.....how about no?
They may succeed in surpassing the originals and fixing long standing issues but I am not particularly hopeful.

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

decker_cky wrote:

There's actually not a lot of overlap between Cawdor, Orlock and Van Saar. Orlock and Goliath (assuming goliath is the better scaled version) are the only two with any real overlap IMO.

Originally, that is something that could easily be changed though. Generic leather/rubberised torsos and limbs with more specific heads and bits would easily make visually distinctive gangs possible.

But why on earth would you want it to change? Visually and thematically distinct factions is one of the most appealing parts of the SGs, if they condensed them all down to "rubbery men with different heads" I'd have zero interest.

Its the only realistic way that there will be a plastic release beyond a possible boxed set. There certainly wont be plastics for all the gangs.

Well, that rather depends. Best case scenario(for plastic production) is a boxed game with themed 1v1 expansions, ideally with the gang sprues eventually being made available on their own, but even if the price of maintaining distinct gangs was no plastics at all then I say bring on the resin.

I'm not arsed either way as I have just finished painting my apparently generic gang, which some people seem to think are unworthy of gracing the underhive, so Im not going to be buying another one as I like my current bunch of incompetents

You seem to be taking my opinion of what FW should do based on my personal preference of what I'd like to buy as some intentional slight against you; chill, if you don't care about the themed gangs you don't care, no skin off my nose unless FW decided to cater to your tastes, in which case I just wouldn't buy the new stuff.

As for trusting FW to successfully redesign games that don't actually need much, if anything, done to them.....how about no?
They may succeed in surpassing the originals and fixing long standing issues but I am not particularly hopeful.

If any part of modern GW could potentially be trusted with reviving the Specialist Games, it's FW. And while I love the SGs to death lets keep the rosy specs in their case, with the exception of BFG most of the SGs needed house ruling out the arse to work really well(they weren't unplayable without them like AoS is IMO, but they benefited immensely). And even if the rules do turn out to be rubbish; so what? I played SGs when GW was actively promoting and selling them, I played SGs when GW was treating them like the red-headed step-child, I played SGs when they were totally ignoring them, and I still play SGs despite them having actively attempted to kill them off. Worst case scenario we'll be exactly where we are now except with potentially lots of lovely new models to consider buying - I can live with that.

 kendoka wrote:
I am thrilled for a possible re-release of Necromunda.
Hopefully in the same GW-scale (heroic) and not the smallish and not easily converted FW-scale.

Prediction:
All miniatures resculpted and in plastic.

Starter box full of plastic terrain (none of that card-crap) and two teams - Delaque and sligthly skinnier "Whitness This!"-Goliaths.

Three gangs as separate boxed releases:
- Van Saar
- Eschers
- A completely new team (Cawdor and/or Orlock merged/replaced/changed)

Ratskins, Scavvies, Redemptionists, etc. gone.

Pit Slaves, Bounty Hunters, Scum, etc. as plastic clam packs.

Two-three larger kits (buildings or Mad Max-vehicles)

Plague Zombies released later as a campaign pack together with Zombie hunters/survivors, Walking Dead-style.

Enforcers/Arbites released later as a campaign pack (not realistic - but it would be awesome).

Redemptionists sold well as did the original ratskins and Scavvy gangs it be foolish if they didn't include them but it seriously depends on how they look like. Cowdor and Orlock are fairly well liked even more than Goliaths. Who actually sold the worst in my local Store at that point.

I would like multi part kits so I can finally do some cool Escher bikers.

 Silent Puffin? wrote:


Its the only realistic way that there will be a plastic release beyond a possible boxed set. There certainly wont be plastics for all the gangs.
I'm not arsed either way as I have just finished painting my apparently generic gang, which some people seem to think are unworthy of gracing the underhive, so Im not going to be buying another one as I like my current bunch of incompetents

Dude, no need to get so defensive. My comment about generic minis is because what you mentioned are generic minis. It's not an insult or a negative term, it's simply minis that do not belong to a particular game or system and are produced for use in whatever. Nothing wrong with that, but they are by definition generic models. Part of the beauty of games like Necromunda is being able to use whatever you like, as long as there is some reasoning behind it.

However making the core models for the game generic, non-descript gangers is flat out a bad idea. It brings nothing to the table to revitalize an old game. It would only serve to piss off old gamers and uninspire new ones. If that's all the effort they were to put into it, it would be better left alone and just make a chaos cultist multi-part set and call it a day.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Silent Puffin? wrote:
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As for trusting FW to successfully redesign games that don't actually need much, if anything, done to them.....how about no?
They may succeed in surpassing the originals and fixing long standing issues but I am not particularly hopeful.

If any part of modern GW could potentially be trusted with reviving the Specialist Games, it's FW. And while I love the SGs to death lets keep the rosy specs in their case, with the exception of BFG most of the SGs needed house ruling out the arse to work really well(they weren't unplayable without them like AoS is IMO, but they benefited immensely). And even if the rules do turn out to be rubbish; so what? I played SGs when GW was actively promoting and selling them, I played SGs when GW was treating them like the red-headed step-child, I played SGs when they were totally ignoring them, and I still play SGs despite them having actively attempted to kill them off. Worst case scenario we'll be exactly where we are now except with potentially lots of lovely new models to consider buying - I can live with that.

This 100%. No matter what happens it can only end in a positive from the perspective of those of us who still actively play these games. Worst case scenarios we get bad rules and some new models, and just carry on as we have, but with some shiny new stuff to work with. Best case scenario, they hit it out of the park and we get a full new range of amazing models, and maybe even fleshed out expansions for stuff like Ash Wastes campaigns, or even new expansions it could keep the game going for another 20 years.

 Starfarer wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
I don't think anyone would really pitch a fit if they made the gangs a bit more generic, and suggested kits to kit bash with and/or made specific gang conversion sets.

And would you really give someone a hard time in a store run necromunda campaign if he was running Van Saars with whatever the generic box may be? That's even assuming all the gangs survive into Necromunda 2016/17 edition.

I honestly don't think you have any idea how much that would piss off gamers. That's like saying no one would get pissed if GW just started making generic army men, and just said "change their heads if you want to make them a different army. Doesn't matter they're all just army men." Necromunda Houses are unique factions, with different backgrounds, strong aesthetics tied to those backgrounds, and all have unique skills based on their faction.

Yeah sure, anyone can play counts as with anything. But again, that's like saying, "well no one will mind if you just throw down some Tau and play them as Eldar. They're all just aliens anyway."

All that aside, assuming GW/FW can just do the absolute bare minimum in regards to a Specialist Games re-release and have it go over well is pretty naive.

So how much would veterans really buy if they remade Necromunda? After all, if you have all of your old gangers and all of your converted ones, you probably aren't planning on dropping huge bucks on Necromunda, are you?

I'd probably not drop a bunch of money on a Mordheim release after I converted my Witch Hunter gang up. Maybe buy a boxed set and donate the terrain to my store for a mordheim campaign.

On top of everything else "generic" inevitably means "male", which means throwing away the one gang that is also the most popular.

Yeah, can the people who think that making generic gangs is a good idea please just... be somewhere else.

That's a horrible idea.

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

Epic Orks is what I would be looking for.

You'd probably want to take a look at these, then (spoiled for size ^_^):

It is however a more realistic proposition where plastic production is concerned simply because of start up costs, even where GW has this capacity in house.

As before a starter box for Necro would have plastic components for two gangs, so the extreme ends of the scale would make sense - Goliath and Escher.

A follow up release of a box of more standard physic gangers in plastic with resin monopose characters/specials. The Northstar soldier/cultists/undead are a good example of what is possible here.

As much as I would want the full range again it just doent seem possible in plastic and resin would represent a huge amount of work with slower release rates. I'm guess they have to tailor their cloth to the resources available and realistic sales.

Woot woot. Battlefleet is back

 notprop wrote:
As before a starter box for Necro would have plastic components for two gangs, so the extreme ends of the scale would make sense - Goliath and Escher.

Goliaths are one of the least popular gangs. Delaque and Escher would make more sense.

It's a starterbox, so it will have the 'basic' gang, which is Orlocks.

Here's a thought.

Gw's campaign against Chapterhouse showcased ineptitude of mega proportions regarding Trademarks and copyright AND the rights to artwork .

How much of the visual material do GW 'own' I could see GW developing new themes and art styles for such games as Necromunda.

And as with Imperial Guard Lizardmen et el expect some favourite names to be changed to something more defensible. 'Goliaths' and Redemptionists for 'Munda would be a dead cert for the name change machine.

Don't expect things to stay the same in anyway, shape or form.

Why would 'Munda necessarily have to be in Hive Primus? They could revive the Hive Secundus idea, go for Genestealer cultists vs arbites and PDF, possibly with generic gangs from over there (since Secundus will have different houses) and work up to producing Hive Primus models for the classic gangs if it's a success - probably in resin.

You'd presume the point of bringing back previous games is to trade on nostalgia... So it's a pretty safe very that the old gangs will be the ones coming, I think.