Terror Attack in Paris. update page 23

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**LethalShade**

Howard A Treesong wrote:
One problem is the huge numbers of failed asylum applicants that remain in Europe because they can't be deported for various reasons. Its worth trying to get into Europe for illegitimate reasons as there's a good chance you can just remain anyway.

Secondly, the process requires that asylum seekers make a claim in the first safe country they get to, and are distributed around EU states. But the surge currently had many refusing processing and demanding their right to go to their chosen country of Germany which is not how it's supposed to work. Instead of enforcing these rules Germany then allowed 200,000 to skip intervening countries and access Germany to make a claim in September alone. They have no idea what background any of these people have but will have taken 800,000 in this year.

Theres a myth that the Germans all love this and want to welcome mass migration. Yes, there were photos in the newspapers of people with flags welcoming migrants but in private a lot of germans feel otherwise but feel they are shamed from saying as such publicly. It's like some collective guilt still hanging from WW2 is paralysing them from being realistic about the enormity of the problem of taking a million people a year into your country without them at least being processed for genuine claims first.

I feel that it's somewhat too late. We can still screen entering migrants for terrorism ties, but it will not prevents the suspected terrorists already inside (several hundreds - thousands) from carrying mass murders.

**jhe90**

One thing we can do, is set up camps in Greece and processing centres on the Greek main land. Every migrant, refugee and is processed in the country of arrival. No exceptions.

Hold them in camps, decent camps until the status is confirmed or not. No trapsing about Europe unregistered, unknown. Yes you can get to Germany but if the Germans invite you.

Then if confirmed they can be sent to a country willing to take them. Failed well, there another problem . half where they came from are active war zones.

**welshhoppo**

I'm fairly certain that most refugees want to go home.

If I was forced to leave my country and become Refugeehoppo instead, my one dream would be to become welshhoppo once more.

Until we can sort out the problems where these refugees are coming from. Then we will continue to have a refugee problem.

**Dreadclaw69**

welshhoppo wrote:
Until we can sort out the problems where these refugees are coming from. Then we will continue to have a refugee problem.

So what is your solution to the Syria problem?

**Orlanth**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:

Orlanth wrote:
@ Dreadclaw - The IRA do not want to restore Northern Ireland 'to the Irish', the Irish protestants are Irish. They deny Irishness to their enemies on a point of dogma.

Do you mean the Protestants living in Northern Ireland? And you are aware of how many of the early prominent IRA (pre-Partition) were Protestant?

That was a different situation. Home rule was justifiable and necessary, the partition occurred on sectarian grounds due to a majority of orange in six of the counties of Ulster.

Besides what you are saying is noise. There are a large number of Irish Catholics in HM Armed Forces, particularly the Royal Irish Rangers and Irish Guards. So it goes both ways.

**welshhoppo**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
welshhoppo wrote:
Until we can sort out the problems where these refugees are coming from. Then we will continue to have a refugee problem.

So what is your solution to the Syria problem?

I haven't got one. I don't really think there is one. Other than scraping the whole area clean and starting fresh. But that would be genocide..

**Jihadin**

If we open up a Immigration debate concerning just the US of A. Everyone around the world hammers posters and Republicans on here who are for deportation and strict immigration policy.

**hotsauceman1**

Dont know if this is off topic.
But what is with people who do that "What about X, this happened to them and no one changed their flag"
or the
Rip for the innocent 100 people in paris, and RIP for the 1000000 innocent people who are gonna die for the acts of a few people?
Why do people feel the need need to make the topic ALWAYs about them?

**d-usa**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
Dont know if this is off topic.
But what is with people who do that "What about X, this happened to them and no one changed their flag"
or the
Rip for the innocent 100 people in paris, and RIP for the 1000000 innocent people who are gonna die for the acts of a few people?
Why do people feel the need need to make the topic ALWAYs about them?

The same reason why you made this post I would imagine.

**welshhoppo**

d-usa wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:
Dont know if this is off topic.
But what is with people who do that "What about X, this happened to them and no one changed their flag"
or the
Rip for the innocent 100 people in paris, and RIP for the 1000000 innocent people who are gonna die for the acts of a few people?
Why do people feel the need need to make the topic ALWAYs about them?

The same reason why you made this post I would imagine.

.

I remember a dose of Buckley saying, if you lit a candle for every unnecessary death in the world, you'd never stop lighting candles.

It doesn't help that the media is naturally baised towards people of their own culture. A thousand deaths across the world doesn't effect you as much as ten deaths in the same country as you.

**hotsauceman1**

Um what? Im asking a legitimate question on why, when a tragedy strikes like paris, people are quick to say things like those above?

**Experiment 626**

welshhoppo wrote:
Dreadclaw69 wrote:
welshhoppo wrote:
Until we can sort out the problems where these refugees are coming from. Then we will continue to have a refugee problem.

So what is your solution to the Syria problem?

I haven't got one. I don't really think there is one. Other than scraping the whole area clean and starting fresh. But that would be genocide..

Let the Russians look after Syria, as it's their mess for the most part.

NATO takes up the reigns in Iraq, and implements a large-scale Vimmy Ridge styled battle plan with the initial goal being the complete eradication of Islamic State. Then carve up the territory into separate Kurdish & Shiite states, instead of the clusterfeth we've continually failed to make work.

The UN recognises that the Golan Heights belong to Israel, as it's a critical piece of land that's vital to keeping out Syrian (and any other) aggressors.

Saudia Arabia gets systematically wiped off the map, since they're the biggest root cause of all the gak that happens in the ME and the founders of modern radical Islam!

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
Dont know if this is off topic.
But what is with people who do that "What about X, this happened to them and no one changed their flag"
or the
Rip for the innocent 100 people in paris, and RIP for the 1000000 innocent people who are gonna die for the acts of a few people?
Why do people feel the need need to make the topic ALWAYs about them?

Trying to control the narrative.

**Dreadclaw69**

Orlanth wrote:
Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Orlanth wrote:
@ Dreadclaw - The IRA do not want to restore Northern Ireland 'to the Irish', the Irish protestants are Irish. They deny Irishness to their enemies on a point of dogma.

Do you mean the Protestants living in Northern Ireland? And you are aware of how many of the early prominent IRA (pre-Partition) were Protestant?

That was a different situation. Home rule was justifiable and necessary, the partition occurred on sectarian grounds due to a majority of orange in six of the counties of Ulster.

Like the ethnic Russians in Ukraine and South Ossetia?

Orlanth wrote:
Besides what you are saying is noise. There are a large number of Irish Catholics in HM Armed Forces, particularly the Royal Irish Rangers and Irish Guards. So it goes both ways.

Irish Catholics =/= the IRA. You know that so please do not pretend you do not understand what I am saying.
I'll ask again; Do you mean the Protestants living in Northern Ireland?

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Ah Donald Trump, not only are you bonkers you are more than insensitive if this reported tweet and story are real

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/11/15/trump-french-ambassador/

The tweet has since been deleted, but can be seen below by means of a timely screenshot.

Many people criticized Trump for trying to appeal to gun nut voters, not realizing the tweet was written months before Trump announced his candidacy. Trump doesn’t need a use a presidential race as an excuse to be, well – a vulture. In fact, as hard as it is to believe, Trump’s candidacy may have tempered his uncanny ability to go on Twitter and say the least appropriate thing at the least appropriate moment. After news of the attacks in Paris broke, Trump put out a rather tame tweet that simply said “My prayers are with the victims and hostages in the horrible Paris attacks. May God be with you all.”

Of course, Trump’s moment of class was only fleeting. At an event in Beaumont, Texas, Trump took to the stage and said:

“When you look at Paris, you know, the toughest gun laws in the world, nobody had guns except for the bad guys, nobody. Nobody had guns, and they were just shooting them one by one.”

Featured Credit:By Mith (Own work) [CC BY-SA 3.0], via Wikimedia Commons With Trump’s tweeted added.

**hotsauceman1**

I severely doubt that a few civilians with hand guns would stop a well coordinated, planned out Suicide attack like this.

**Psienesis**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
Dont know if this is off topic.
But what is with people who do that "What about X, this happened to them and no one changed their flag"
or the
Rip for the innocent 100 people in paris, and RIP for the 1000000 innocent people who are gonna die for the acts of a few people?
Why do people feel the need need to make the topic ALWAYs about them?

Broadly speaking? It points out bias in media. We've heard a lot about Paris, we heard next to nothing about the two suicide bombers in Beirut, as an example, the day before.

**LordofHats**

Something of interest. Russia, Lebanon, and France have now been attacked by ISIS or at least, individuals who support them. All three countries are near the top of the list for Foreign Nationals fighting in Syria and Iraq.

All these attacks have come in a short time span. Possibly more coming?

**H.B.M.C.**

There's also a level of complacency.

Suicide bombers blowing themselves up in the Middle East? Must be a Tuesday!

**Orlanth**

LordofHats wrote:
Something of interest. Russia, Lebanon, and France have now been attacked by ISIS or at least, individuals who support them. All three countries are near the top of the list for Foreign Nationals fighting in Syria and Iraq.

All these attacks have come in a short time span. Possibly more coming?

Certainly more coming. France has foiled a number of major plots this year, six by one press report.

UK will likely be next on the list, thing is a lot has already been prevented over here and UK society is one of the most wired in the world, if Snowden is to be believed.

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hotsauceman1 wrote:
I severely doubt that a few civilians with hand guns would stop a well coordinated, planned out Suicide attack like this.

Besides who takes guns to a theatre. The Donald perhaps?

**Breotan**

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Ah Donald Trump, not only are you bonkers you are more than insensitive if this reported tweet and story are real.

More reason for people like me to hope Republican voters don't even consider him when casting their primary votes. Seriously, he's every bit as bad as Sarah Palin.

**Jihadin**

LordofHats wrote:
Something of interest. Russia, Lebanon, and France have now been attacked by ISIS or at least, individuals who support them. All three countries are near the top of the list for Foreign Nationals fighting in Syria and Iraq.

All these attacks have come in a short time span. Possibly more coming?

Tighten security in the US. That's the icing on the cake

**Dreadclaw69**

Orlanth wrote:
Besides who takes guns to a theatre. The Donald perhaps?

John Wilkes Booth

Orlanth wrote:
That was a different situation. Home rule was justifiable and necessary, the partition occurred on sectarian grounds due to a majority of orange in six of the counties of Ulster.

Oh, and before I forget again Ulster is 9 counties and is comprised of Donegal, Monaghan and Cavan, as well as the six that comprise Northern Ireland. You also conveniently ignore the Catholic majorities of Derry, Tyrone, Armagh, and Fermanagh in your historical revisionism. So out of six counties in Northern Ireland (not Ulster) there was only two with a Protestant majority. Partition was a face saving measure by the British government who had been thoroughly embarrassed by the Irish rebels and wanted to save face while poisoning the well behind them as they were forced to quit the field.

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Jihadin wrote:
Tighten security in the US. That's the icing on the cake

For that there actually needs to be effective border control. The exploits of cartels and coyotes shows this to be lacking.

**Experiment 626**

LordofHats wrote:
Something of interest. Russia, Lebanon, and France have now been attacked by ISIS or at least, individuals who support them. All three countries are near the top of the list for Foreign Nationals fighting in Syria and Iraq.

All these attacks have come in a short time span. Possibly more coming?

The Canadian Parliament building was also stormed by a lone Islamic State inspired supporter, and a Canadian soldier standing ceremonial guard at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier was murdered.

Nothing on the level of the recent attacks, but our "fearless" overlord is using last October's attack in Ottawa, and the recent attacks as grounds for why we should tuck our tails and run away from the fight against these savage gakheads.

**Breotan**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Orlanth wrote:
Besides who takes guns to a theatre. The Donald perhaps?

John Wilkes Booth

I was gonna say Holmes but Booth works.

**Dreadclaw69**

Experiment 626 wrote:
The Canadian Parliament building was also stormed by a lone Islamic State inspired supporter, and a Canadian soldier standing ceremonial guard at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier was murdered.

Nothing on the level of the recent attacks, but our "fearless" overlord is using last October's attack in Ottawa, and the recent attacks as grounds for why we should tuck our tails and run away from the fight against these savage gakheads.

Was that when your PM took a leaf out of R Kelly's book and hid in the closet?

**LordofHats**

These recent attacks though are of a different magnitude than the Jewish Museum Shooting or the attack in Ottawa.

Bring down a plane and attacking multiple locations in a major western city, plus the suicide bombers in Beirut is a lot more bloody and a lot more coordinated than previous ISIS related attacks, and they've all happened in quick succession.

So my wonder is if this is the start of a long term campaign by ISIS outside of Syria and Iraq against western states and states in the ME that actively oppose them.

**Orlanth**

Breotan wrote:
Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Orlanth wrote:
Besides who takes guns to a theatre. The Donald perhaps?

John Wilkes Booth

I was gonna say Holmes but Booth works.

Both support the point that you only bring guns to the theatre to cause mischief, professional bodyguards excepted.

Dreadclaw69 wrote:

Orlanth wrote:
That was a different situation. Home rule was justifiable and necessary, the partition occurred on sectarian grounds due to a majority of orange in six of the counties of Ulster.

Oh, and before I forget again Ulster is 9 counties and is comprised of Donegal, Monaghan and Cavan, as well as the six that comprise Northern Ireland.

Just as well I didnt forget that in my comments, got you covered.

Dreadclaw69 wrote:

You also conveniently ignore the Catholic majorities of Derry, Tyrone, Armagh, and Fermanagh in your historical revisionism. So out of six counties in Northern Ireland (not Ulster) there was only two with a Protestant majority.

Actually thats BS. Protestants were a two third majority at the time of partition. It is considerably less now due to differences in the birth rate

Dreadclaw69 wrote:

Partition was a face saving measure by the British government who had been thoroughly embarrassed by the Irish rebels and wanted to save face while poisoning the well behind them as they were forced to quit the field.

More nonsense from you. Northern Ireland remained because the Orangemen (in particular) said so, and because the 1922 treaty at the time made efforts to accommodate them. The 1997 treaty reinforced this.
Where is this leprechaun dream of 'forced to quit the field'?

Dreadclaw69 wrote:

Jihadin wrote:
Tighten security in the US. That's the icing on the cake

For that there actually needs to be effective border control. The exploits of cartels and coyotes shows this to be lacking.

Border control for the US is pretty much impossible. However Jihadists have to go a long way to get to the Americas in general, and cant effectively arrive en masse. The US has problems with 'home grown' radicals as with any nation in the west, but doesnt have large Islamic immigrant concentrations that there are in Europe.

**Frozocrone**

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

Spoiler:

Ah Donald Trump, not only are you bonkers you are more than insensitive if this reported tweet and story are real

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/11/15/trump-french-ambassador/

The tweet has since been deleted, but can be seen below by means of a timely screenshot.

Many people criticized Trump for trying to appeal to gun nut voters, not realizing the tweet was written months before Trump announced his candidacy. Trump doesn’t need a use a presidential race as an excuse to be, well – a vulture. In fact, as hard as it is to believe, Trump’s candidacy may have tempered his uncanny ability to go on Twitter and say the least appropriate thing at the least appropriate moment. After news of the attacks in Paris broke, Trump put out a rather tame tweet that simply said “My prayers are with the victims and hostages in the horrible Paris attacks. May God be with you all.”

Of course, Trump’s moment of class was only fleeting. At an event in Beaumont, Texas, Trump took to the stage and said:

“When you look at Paris, you know, the toughest gun laws in the world, nobody had guns except for the bad guys, nobody. Nobody had guns, and they were just shooting them one by one.”

Featured Credit:By Mith (Own work) [CC BY-SA 3.0], via Wikimedia Commons With Trump’s tweeted added.

That was from January.

New developments report that France has carried out airstrikes on IS in Syria.

**Kanluwen**

Frozocrone wrote:
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

Spoiler:

Ah Donald Trump, not only are you bonkers you are more than insensitive if this reported tweet and story are real

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/11/15/trump-french-ambassador/

The tweet has since been deleted, but can be seen below by means of a timely screenshot.

Many people criticized Trump for trying to appeal to gun nut voters, not realizing the tweet was written months before Trump announced his candidacy. Trump doesn’t need a use a presidential race as an excuse to be, well – a vulture. In fact, as hard as it is to believe, Trump’s candidacy may have tempered his uncanny ability to go on Twitter and say the least appropriate thing at the least appropriate moment. After news of the attacks in Paris broke, Trump put out a rather tame tweet that simply said “My prayers are with the victims and hostages in the horrible Paris attacks. May God be with you all.”

Of course, Trump’s moment of class was only fleeting. At an event in Beaumont, Texas, Trump took to the stage and said:

“When you look at Paris, you know, the toughest gun laws in the world, nobody had guns except for the bad guys, nobody. Nobody had guns, and they were just shooting them one by one.”

Featured Credit:By Mith (Own work) [CC BY-SA 3.0], via Wikimedia Commons With Trump’s tweeted added.

That was from January.

New developments report that France has carried out airstrikes on IS in Syria.

Yes, it was from January when the Charlie Hedbo attack occurred.

Putting it into context, that's two fairly major terrorist attacks in France that he's made allusions to the "Die Hard" idea that Republicans love to espouse for their voter base("If someone had a gun, they would have stopped it!"). It's in poor taste, and the fact he attempted to delete the tweet shows he's aware of that.