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Wow now they're getting rumors from this thread!

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/11/40k-rumors-the-space-wolves-latest.html

Is Sad Panda some kind of mystical GW insider or something? Or just a sage with Nostradamus like perceptions?

Sad Panda is.

That's all.

 Resin Glazed Guardsman wrote:
Wow now they're getting rumors from this thread!

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/11/40k-rumors-the-space-wolves-latest.html

Is Sad Panda some kind of mystical GW insider or something? Or just a sage with Nostradamus like perceptions?

Sad Panda - Total rumors: (34 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (0 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)

never the less deserve various codices an update more than the space wolfes.

 Resin Glazed Guardsman wrote:
Wow now they're getting rumors from this thread!

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/11/40k-rumors-the-space-wolves-latest.html

Is Sad Panda some kind of mystical GW insider or something? Or just a sage with Nostradamus like perceptions?

I love how so many people in the comments are saying that can't be right at all and that Sad Panda is speaking bullgak because BoLS posted rumors a while back saying that Imp Guard and Tyranids were getting major updates,

Lost Souls indeed.

More like Nid & IG players reacting to everybody else getting shiny new toys...

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
More like Nid & IG players reacting to everybody else getting shiny new toys...

At least us poor Chaos players have resigned ourselves to the fact that the only new models we'll ever get will be AoS releases...

 vostroyan second born wrote:
never the less deserve various codices an update more than the space wolfes.

Here's the part you're failing to understand.

Space Wolves? They can be given an update with a rather small amount of work. Port the Champions of Fenris stuff into the main Codex, come up with a "Space Wolf Great Company" detachment and boom--you've basically got the book done.

Chaos Marines, Tyranids, and Guard? They're going to require more work. They require some pretty hefty points changes on things, along with some rules shifts.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 vostroyan second born wrote:
never the less deserve various codices an update more than the space wolfes.

Here's the part you're failing to understand.

Space Wolves? They can be given an update with a rather small amount of work. Port the Champions of Fenris stuff into the main Codex, come up with a "Space Wolf Great Company" detachment and boom--you've basically got the book done.

Chaos Marines, Tyranids, and Guard? They're going to require more work. They require some pretty hefty points changes on things, along with some rules shifts.

That's essentially true for Blood Angels as well. Hopefully Space Wolves getting some form of new stuff is a good sign for Blood Angels as well. They did just get a new model out of nowhere.

Army of expendables getting more codecies? Ugh.. All I want for Christmas ( I guess next year) is a fully functional, non garbage, Chaos dex.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 vostroyan second born wrote:
never the less deserve various codices an update more than the space wolfes.

Here's the part you're failing to understand.

Space Wolves? They can be given an update with a rather small amount of work. Port the Champions of Fenris stuff into the main Codex, come up with a "Space Wolf Great Company" detachment and boom--you've basically got the book done.

Chaos Marines, Tyranids, and Guard? They're going to require more work. They require some pretty hefty points changes on things, along with some rules shifts.

I unferstand. GW tries to generate money with little to none work by "redoing" a Codex which does not need an update. But they ignore the fact that by neglecting so many other factions they anger their customers with the result they will loose interest. And nobody buys and paints the models cause they are so beautiful. They buy, cause they wanna play but without proper rule set there is no game to play.

I really hope it isn't a new codex for the SW...

 godardc wrote:
I really hope it isn't a new codex for the SW...

More flying boats? Survivors of the Sob's that attacked the space wolves had a change of heart and now fight at their side as the walkuren?
Grimnar can now ride on his pet sea dragon into battle!

 GoliothOnline wrote:
Army of expendables getting more codecies? Ugh.. All I want for Christmas ( I guess next year) is a fully functional, non garbage, Chaos dex.

Rules can't "fix" the problems with Chaos Marines... Currently almost our entire model is still stuck in 3rd edition. Without new models, we can't get new & better options, which is where we really fall down in 7th.

Plasma guns & Autocannons were fine when everyone else had roughly similar guns. Nowadays though, everyone except for Chaos get access to 3-4+ shot S6/7 weapons. Plasma guns & Autocannons can't compete against that, nor can Havoc launchers compare to cheap Razorbacks & Drop Pods w/Deathwind launchers, while we're stuck with the worst Land Raider pattern of all.

We need options rather than just pts decreases, but first of all we need our model massively overhauled to give us those options!

Jesus, SW's just got a book like a year ago, if they're getting a replacement in what, like 14/15 months after their last book, while IG start approaching 3 years, and CSM's start rolling over onto their 4th, I'll be flabbergasted.

 Vaktathi wrote:
Jesus, SW's just got a book like a year ago, if they're getting a replacement in what, like 14/15 months after their last book, while IG start approaching 3 years, and CSM's start rolling over onto their 4th, I'll be flabbergasted.

My guess would be another campaign involving Space Wolves or some new models like what Blood Angels had happen this past month. Rerelease of Krom Dragongaze (as a Space Wolves Wolf Lord similar to how Captain Karlaen became Blood Angels Captain in Terminator) and new plastic model of some sort.

Unfortunately GW doesn't update Codexes and models and that "need" updating.

They update Codexes that they believe will allow them to sell the most models for a quick return.

However their logic is flawed.

Chaos Space Marines don't sell because they need a new Codex and a model update. Do that and they will sell.

It's an age old argument that GW doesn't seem to able to comprehend.

The case was the same for Dark Eldar, they were one of the worst selling armies in the range because their Codex and models were frankly weak at best.

They got a great update and sold well, sadly as a dark Eldar player the subsequent Codex then killed them again (in my opinion).

I won't mention the "other" army that has been neglected for years but I think Chaos deserves an update not least because they are the iconic bad guys in the fluff.

But they need so much investment I think GW would prefer to make a quick buck at the start of the year - hence more Space marines which are a guaranteed seller.

Chaos - the Marines especially so, are at the point where they would effectively be considered an entirely brand new army release.

We have a whopping 3 non-vehicle kits that are worth keeping. (Termie Lord/Sorc, Raptors/Warptalons & Possessed)
Every other non-vehicle kit is pure garbage that's woefully incomplete, and/or, now 10-15+ years old and badly showing it.

Our basic vehicle kits, (Rhino + Land Raider based kits), need new options to bring them up to par with their equivalents across everyone else's similar options.
At least in this case, the basic kit is fine - we just need an additional sprue for new options, and a re-cut of the Chaos upgrade frame.

Unfortunately, GW doesn't see any potential profit to be made from a Chaos release, as the current risk is likely extremely high. They don't believe that their target audience like or want to play "the bad guys".
Little Timmy and younger teens identify a lot more with 'Superman in super armour', than they do with the ultimate evil doers. Thus, Space Marines of all Loyalist flavours, big stampy robots, ninja space elves and mech suit fest will get the love.

I honestly would not be surprised at all if Chaos doesn't get a 7th ed update of any kind... GW was happy to let us rot away in 5th with no support, and they missed the boat big time in 6th when they had a golden opportunity to re-visit the basic Chaos Marine kit and/or Havocs.
Instead, we got a small release of 3 plastic kits and yet more Finecrap.

Keep in mind that Chaos Marines are also the only in-store available army that's still missing entire units!

Experiment 626 wrote:

Keep in mind that Chaos Marines are also the only in-store available army that's still missing entire units!

You know that Rough Riders(as much as I loathe them) are a thing, right?

And that they have not been available even via Direct Order for almost a year?

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 Resin Glazed Guardsman wrote:
Wow now they're getting rumors from this thread!

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/11/40k-rumors-the-space-wolves-latest.html

Is Sad Panda some kind of mystical GW insider or something? Or just a sage with Nostradamus like perceptions?

I love how so many people in the comments are saying that can't be right at all and that Sad Panda is speaking bullgak because BoLS posted rumors a while back saying that Imp Guard and Tyranids were getting major updates,

Lost Souls indeed.

I once looked at the comments section in BoLS, and the abbyss looked back at me.

Sad Panda might be onto something...

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/12/gw-breaking-new-2016-dwarf-sprues-spotted.html

"Might be"?
Again, Sad Panda has a 100% accuracy rating right now.


I'm genuinely expecting GW to shift something within the next few months just so that Sad Panda can be wrong.

At this point I think I'd be happier if they just left CSM alone until FW releases more HH plastics and then redo the whole line based on those. Or maybe they should just shelve the faction in 40k altogether and just let FW the Specialist Studio do the rules and models. Obviously the main studio is incapable/unwilling to do them justice.

Experiment 626 wrote:
Chaos - the Marines especially so, are at the point where they would effectively be considered an entirely brand new army release.

We have a whopping 3 non-vehicle kits that are worth keeping. (Termie Lord/Sorc, Raptors/Warptalons & Possessed)
Every other non-vehicle kit is pure garbage that's woefully incomplete, and/or, now 10-15+ years old and badly showing it.

Huh? The Dinobots are new and complete. Same with the Hellturkey. Plus, GW just provided brand new generic CSMs, CSM Termies & CSM Dreads - you just have to buy them all at once... Plus Cultists!

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:
Chaos - the Marines especially so, are at the point where they would effectively be considered an entirely brand new army release.

We have a whopping 3 non-vehicle kits that are worth keeping. (Termie Lord/Sorc, Raptors/Warptalons & Possessed)
Every other non-vehicle kit is pure garbage that's woefully incomplete, and/or, now 10-15+ years old and badly showing it.

Huh? The Dinobots are new and complete. Same with the Hellturkey. Plus, GW just provided brand new generic CSMs, CSM Termies & CSM Dreads - you just have to buy them all at once... Plus Cultists!

I did say non-vehicle kits though!

The so-called dinobots + Hellturkey are definitely cool looking kits. But outside of the new Raptors/Warptalons and Possessed kits, all of our infantry kits are on par with the basic Catachan Squad in terms of both looks and incompleteness...

Hell, we don't have a single plastic combi-weapon for our PA models yet! And our only available plastic heavy weapon is a god damned Heavy bolter!

We have the tiniest armoury selection of any 40k army, and yet GW can barely manage to give us 50% of those options!

It's so laughably bad, that even gakking Sisters of Battle have an easier time getting their basic weapon upgrades than Chaos Marines do... The only way we can get half our options is to pay the "Chaos Tax" and buy a bunch of Imperial kits.

I'm pretty sure that CSM still use the 30k weapons and armor, so the BAC plastics all work, providing a classic ML in addtion to the Combi-weapon. And DV has those cultists...

My Sisters are only 1k of Allies, and I bought enough stuff back when they were in production. No idea what their availability is today.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I'm pretty sure that CSM still use the 30k weapons and armor, so the BAC plastics all work, providing a classic ML in addtion to the Combi-weapon. And DV has those cultists...

My Sisters are only 1k of Allies, and I bought enough stuff back when they were in production. No idea what their availability is today.

Pretty bad. A lot of the sculpts are oop.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:
Chaos - the Marines especially so, are at the point where they would effectively be considered an entirely brand new army release.

We have a whopping 3 non-vehicle kits that are worth keeping. (Termie Lord/Sorc, Raptors/Warptalons & Possessed)
Every other non-vehicle kit is pure garbage that's woefully incomplete, and/or, now 10-15+ years old and badly showing it.

Huh? The Dinobots are new and complete. Same with the Hellturkey. Plus, GW just provided brand new generic CSMs, CSM Termies & CSM Dreads - you just have to buy them all at once... Plus Cultists!

It's a shame the dinobots are trash for what their specialty is supposed to be. Throw a Maulerfiend at anything with an initiative and its basically screwed, basic Dreads have a good chance if annihilating it in CC before it even gets to attack (poor rules)

Let's not speak of the trash-platform, hades Autocannon on a walker with bs3 for nearly 200 points is almost as bad if not worse than the dreaded defilers, jack of all trades master of none.

At this point, I'd rather them just squat us and get it over with. We can be the unseen army no one is aware of, just not in actuality playable. Screw it, I'd rather play with bottle cap space Marines than or play dough Eldar if things keep going at this pace

Maybe the real answer for CSM really is spiky Marines?

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Maybe the real answer for CSM really is spiky Marines?

I'm at the point where if it's between what we've been getting and getting rolled into C:SM done well, I might opt for the latter. If we got Legion Tactics which also unlock the most iconic units (Daemon Prince, Daemon Engines etc) and BB level allies with Daemons if you take those tactics it would probably be a big improvement.