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This has come up a lot, especially with debates about deleted FAQs etc. So, after a roll on the Chaos Boon Table, can Abaddon become a Daemon Prince or Chaos Spawn?

Might help if you list the evidence and the most common reasons people would say yes or no.

In general, deleted FAQs have no value and shouldn't be used as evidence of current intent.

I'm sorry,
I have no evidence and very little knowledge on the topic and that's why I'm asking. If anyone could provide any I would be grateful.

Rule wise no, not that I know of. Lore wise only a spawn because he is a failure after 13 failed attempts time for the gods to just zap his ass off the face of the galaxy.

OgreChubbs wrote:
Rule wise no, not that I know of. Lore wise only a spawn because he is a failure after 13 failed attempts time for the gods to just zap his ass off the face of the galaxy.

Have a read of the Black Legion supplement. Those Black Crusades weren't failures at all.

They were never expressed as failures. It's only this time his goal has been to destroy the Imperium. He had different goals for each of the others. He met them.

That's the same line of logic our drill sergeants used when they tried to claim that America won Vietnam.

Abaddon got his Ababehind handed to him each time. He lost, he just needs to have a good story to save face with the troops.

Fortunately, he lost while still futzing a WHOLE LOT of crap up, and still being enough of a coward to know when to cut and run, meaning he survived to do it all again, which is why he still has the favor of the Chaos Clowns.

Why would he be unable to? Unless it says so in the Black Legion supplement, which wouldn't matter unless you're using that supplement, or it says so in his regular codex unit entry.

Because in the 6th Ed faqs of the codex it was written that Abbadon could ingore the Spawnhood or Deamonhood results on the Boons table.

But for some reason when 7th Hit, the faqs was retroed to an earlier version of a few months early, and that line, with some others that where still valide and in now way had to change, where missing.

its not that the Faqs was deleted, its missing key components for no reason, and don't " yeah but it is a 6th ed faq, we're in 7th now" CSM book is still a 6th Ed codex.

So here we use the full faq how it was before GW screwed it.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Because in the 6th Ed faqs of the codex it was written that Abbadon could ingore the Spawnhood or Deamonhood results on the Boons table.

But for some reason when 7th Hit, the faqs was retroed to an earlier version of a few months early, and that line, with some others that where still valide and in now way had to change, where missing.

its not that the Faqs was deleted, its missing key components for no reason, and don't " yeah but it is a 6th ed faq, we're in 7th now" CSM book is still a 6th Ed codex.

So here we use the full faq how it was before GW screwed it.

Thanks,
This is what I'd been reading, but everybody seemed to think the FAQ was redundant. Does this apply to other special characters?


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 Jimsolo wrote:
That's the same line of logic our drill sergeants used when they tried to claim that America won Vietnam.

Abaddon got his Ababehind handed to him each time. He lost, he just needs to have a good story to save face with the troops.

Fortunately, he lost while still futzing a WHOLE LOT of crap up, and still being enough of a coward to know when to cut and run, meaning he survived to do it all again, which is why he still has the favor of the Chaos Clowns.

Give one example of when he lost.

Abaddon isn't loosing. He's fighting the long fight, and taking his time. If he was failing, other warlords would have stopped following him by crusade 5. Probably isn't all going just as planned for him though.

He's playing the long game by getting the Imperium to concentrate all of their forces in the Eye. Then him and his Chaos Marines will pop out of their hiding places... INSIDE THEN HIVE SWARMS!

That's why Nids and CSM will be battle brothers in the next CSM codex. Forge the narrative.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Because in the 6th Ed faqs of the codex it was written that Abbadon could ingore the Spawnhood or Deamonhood results on the Boons table.

But for some reason when 7th Hit, the faqs was retroed to an earlier version of a few months early, and that line, with some others that where still valide and in now way had to change, where missing.

its not that the Faqs was deleted, its missing key components for no reason, and don't " yeah but it is a 6th ed faq, we're in 7th now" CSM book is still a 6th Ed codex.

So here we use the full faq how it was before GW screwed it.

No, we don't. Why woulld we use a document that has been superceded and is no longer in print?

Feel free to house rule it that way, but don't make the mistake of passing that off as RAW.

The faq was updated. You don't have to play the latest faq the same way you dont have to play the latest codex or even the latest rulebook.

As far as tournament play goes, expect to be using the latest version of the faq

RAW he no longer gets to ignore the spawn/daemon results

Doesn't it say somewhere in the Chaos Space Marine codex that he isn't ready for it yet?

I don't have the codex on hand, but I could swear it did...

Yes
Yes

The only thing I could see that would be a problem for the Dark apotheosis result is that he has all 4 marks. As such, how does he transform into a deamon of just one of the gods? Do you choose which type he becomes when he transforms? Does he somehow gain all 4 types, and as such has hatred for himself? These are legitimate questions, that have only come up because GW removed stuff from their FAQ, which makes it somewhat sensible that people just go back to the old one, which did address them. Personally, I would rule that Abaddon ignores Dark Apotheosis results, as you cannot be every kind of deamon at once, but does NOT ignore spawnhood results and instead becomes a Spawn of Chaos Undivided.

OR, you could become all four at once, roll a die every beginning of every turn:

1) He evaporates into the warp. Remove from play.
2) Khorne
3) Nurgle
4) Tzeentch
5) Slaneesh
6) Gorka/Morka, turns into a squig.

The reason the FAQ went away is because Abaddon's rules were updated in the "Warlords of the Dark Millennium: Champions of Chaos" thing that was released from GW. It has in-depth rules for all the named characters, and on Abaddon's page it says the following:

CHAOS BOON TABLE
If Abaddon rolls Spawnhood or Dark Apotheosis on the Chaos Boon Table, re-roll this result (and any further results of the same). The Despoiler is not meant for Daemonhood just yet!

So no, Abaddon cannot get Spawnhood or Dark Apotheosis.

EDIT:
Linky to the black library thing
http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/Abaddon.html

Wow, talk about burying their products. Is Abaddon changed in any other way that means I'll have to spend $5 on this? Or is my Chaos Codex still valid? Thanks for the find Mulletdude!

Finally,
I can't see any argument to make against this. Thanks, I'll definitely say he ignores the results. Strange that the pole says otherwise, but there is little that can be done to reverse this evidence, so thank you.
Also, does this or any other edited rule come for other special characters?

So it seems they do still have it written somewhere

Its a bit harsh having to pay $5.99 for one rule though

Don't expect anyone to let you ignore those results without having a copy of that supplement to show them

I wouldn't pay $5 for that dataslate thing. Offers no other rules that aren't already in the codex. If you're just looking for that part of the rule, here is a snippet from the epub.

Thanks MulletDude.

Are there similar rules for other characters ?

I don't think this works by RAW either. In short: the rules listed in "Warlords of the Dark Millennium: Abaddon the Despoiler" are not valid. Here's why:

The rulebook states that all units must be part of a Faction (RB, "Detachments"). In newer publications, this is listed in the unit entry as a symbol. This publication does not have a symbol.

In older publications, "the Faction of all the units described in a codex is the same as the codex's title." This publication is not a codex, so this rule does not apply.

For codex supplements, the Faction is the same as the parent codex instead. This publication is never listed as a supplement for Codex: Chaos Space Marines, so this rule does not apply.

Further, this publication never states that the rules contained within replace those from Codex: Chaos Space Marines, so we cannot assume that they do.

Therefore, this unit does not have a Faction listed, so cannot be used in games of Warhammer 40,000.

Therefore, the only valid rules for Abaddon the Despoiler can be found in Codex: Chaos Space Marines, which has no restriction against him from becoming a Daemon Prince or Chaos Spawn.

 Cheexsta wrote:

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Because in the 6th Ed faqs of the codex it was written that Abbadon could ingore the Spawnhood or Deamonhood results on the Boons table.

But for some reason when 7th Hit, the faqs was retroed to an earlier version of a few months early, and that line, with some others that where still valide and in now way had to change, where missing.

its not that the Faqs was deleted, its missing key components for no reason, and don't " yeah but it is a 6th ed faq, we're in 7th now" CSM book is still a 6th Ed codex.

So here we use the full faq how it was before GW screwed it.

No, we don't. Why woulld we use a document that has been superceded and is no longer in print?

Feel free to house rule it that way, but don't make the mistake of passing that off as RAW.

I meant in our LGS, and its not a mistake, since its GW's for passing from January 2015 faq to July/August 2014 for Gods know what...

Now that begs the question what about the guy that has the pdf version of the faq that date January 2015 and someone that only has the one from 2014?

By logic isn't the one that is chronologicaly closer the right one to use?

The line " up to date rules" must amount for something don't you think Cheexsta?