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Round 1: 1 Space Marine vs 1 Storm Trooper (Star Wars)

Round 2: 10 Space Marines vs 100 Storm Troopers

Round 3: 1 Space Marine Terminator vs 10 Emperor's Guard

Round 4: 1 Space Marine Chapter including vehicles vs Stormtrooper Regiment (2500 Stormtroopers plus vehicles)

Round 5: All resources from the Imperium (1 million Space Marines, billions of Guardsmen, and so on) vs all soldiers and military units portrayed in the Star Wars movies (Stormtroopers, Clones, Rebels, and so on)

Location: The Hoth system.

GO!

Space Marine/Imperium in every instance.

What Psienesis said. Curb stomp battle.

I like both universes..... and yet this is so unbalanced.
The Imperium wins each fight and it wouldn't even be close.

Did the Stormtroopers graduate from the Stormtrooper Marksmanship Academy? If so they'll all have a Ballistic Skill of minus 2.

Mallich wrote:
Did the Stormtroopers graduate from the Stormtrooper Marksmanship Academy? If so they'll all have a Ballistic Skill of minus 2.

But you are incorrect. As Obi-Wan said, only imperial stormtroopers are so accurate to have managed a couple of hits at the Jawa sandcrawler.

40k is not the only place where the fluff is often ignored for the sake of the story, and plot armor is plentiful.

Stormtroops are supposed to be better then they ever on when filmed.

 Matthew wrote:

Hoth

Firstly, both sides have way too many forces to effectively deploy them all to a single system. You'd end up with troops and ships queuing like a theme park on holiday weekend.

Secondly, setting it in the SW galaxy puts the advantage on the empire.

IoM ships need to use the warp for interstellar travel and they won't have the astronomicon for guidance. Are they even going to be able to get to Hoth?

If you set it in the IoM galaxy (i.e. ours) then you reverse the situation until the empire manage to get hold of a good set of navigational data.

Logistics is key.

Clone/Storm Troopers can't even hit a target at 10 meters... The only reason they won the Clone Wars is because the battle droids were even worse at fighting
No wonder the Empire was defeated by a bunch of rebels led by a farmer with a lightsaber.


It is not a fair fight because power levels diverge so wildly.

Round 1: Bolter round to the Stormtrooper's chest before he's even had time to line up a shot. Gets turned into a red stain on the ground.

Round 2: Stormtroopers gunned down. One or two lucky shots may incapacitate a Space Marine.

Round 3: Emperor's Guard whack their staves harmlessly on the Terminator's armor. They get turned into chunky salsa by his power fist.

Round 4: An entire drop pod assault obliterates the Regiment. Stormtroopers lose their entire command within a couple of minutes of the drop and the confused remnants are blown to pieces.

Round 5: Imperium wins. The Imperial Guard alone could mop up the Star Wars forces. Did you know the Grand Army of the Republic only had a couple of million fighting men at any one time? Pathetically low numbers.

As others have said, this isn't a fair fight in the slightest. For one thing, basically everyone in SW are running around with the equivalent of lasguns... except that you can conceivably see a blaster shot coming and dodge it. Comparatively, even a standard bolter will absolutely shred apart a Stormtrooper, while Stormtroopers will struggle to even hurt a Space Marine. Plus Space Marines are superhuman, whereas Storm Troopers are just trained individuals, but otherwise normal humans (or clones for some of them). Add in the fact that Space Marines like getting up close whereas Stormtroopers don't even have melee protection, and standard Stormtroopers don't stand a chance. 40k technology is just significantly more advanced than the Empire's.

Throwing in Jedi/Sith would be a little more interesting though. In such a case, they would probably be on par with a talented 40k psyker armed with a power/force weapon. They would certainly take out quite a few Space Marines on their own, but Jedi and Sith are very limited throughout the Star Wars galaxy, especially during the Galactic Civil war period and even moreso compared to the number of Librarians available to the Space Marines (not to mention that even Guardsmen sergeants have access to power weapons, which can at least stand a chance vs a lightsaber).

Space battles would be a different story though. A standard Star Destroyer is comparable to an Imperium light cruiser and only a little smaller than a battleship. If we're talking a pure-Space Marine fleet though, then they just won't have the firepower or numbers to deal with an Imperial fleet without support from an Imperial fleet - Space Marines are meant to be ground-based force multipliers and their advantages are wasted in space. That's not even counting super-weapons such as the Death Star which the Empire has available. If space combat is put into play then it can shift the balance of the battle significantly, but you know that Space Marines would target the Death Star itself rather than be stupid enough to go onto a planet and then get blown up. They would also likely conduct boarding actions against the Imperials and, short of blowing up sections of the ship to stop the Marines, they won't have much to deal with them.

Bottom-line: I think that Space Marines would win just because Imperial technology is far beyond that of Star Wars.

The "Grand Army of the Republic" is usually quoted as being 3 million strong. 1 Space Marine can take more than 3 Stormtroopers. The Adeptus Astartes curbstomp the Empire on their lonesome.

Yeah, i think guard vs storm troopers would be more effective; guard have more boom boom but the Republic do have the air of speed. Also they both play with torches.

#2 Stormtroopers could probably win it, if they're on par with guardsmen

Depends how many superlaser-equipped Eclipse-class Super Star Destroyers the Empire has. :p

Imperium wins on the ground, the Empire wins in space. Star Wars ships are roughly comparable in firepower and durability, but have an obscene advantage in strategic mobility. A Star Wars ship can cross the entire galaxy in a matter of hours, with no concerns about being off-target or delayed for a few thousand years. The war would be over before the Imperium is even able to realize it has started, as key planets are destroyed by orbital bombardment and any attempt to deploy the Imperium's own ships is met with overwhelming force.

Except the Star Wars ships can't actually go anywhere in the Imperium. So their ships can be as good as anything and be useless.

Does being in Imperial space somehow stop the the hyperdrive from working?

No but they need maps for hyperspace routes so they don't die, get lost or have a similar accident. They have no maps of the Imperium therefore no hyperdrive.
Once there are maps then they can go nuts.

 Peregrine wrote:
Imperium wins on the ground, the Empire wins in space. Star Wars ships are roughly comparable in firepower and durability, but have an obscene advantage in strategic mobility. A Star Wars ship can cross the entire galaxy in a matter of hours, with no concerns about being off-target or delayed for a few thousand years. The war would be over before the Imperium is even able to realize it has started, as key planets are destroyed by orbital bombardment and any attempt to deploy the Imperium's own ships is met with overwhelming force.

On the other hand, in Star Wars by the time of the Galactic Empire, about half of the galaxy still remained completely uncharted...

Hyperspace travel in Star Wars is hardly without danger. It needs very precise calculations, which is why you can't just jump to an unknown or uncharted point. Or as Han Solo said:

"Without precise calculations, we'd fly right through a star, bounce too close to a supernova, and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?"

Without proper star charts, the Empire isn't going to be able to travel anywhere.

On the other hand, in the Star Wars universe, the Imperium would face the same problem, since they can't travel through the Warp without the light of the Astronomican to lock onto.

 asorel wrote:
The "Grand Army of the Republic" is usually quoted as being 3 million strong. 1 Space Marine can take more than 3 Stormtroopers. The Adeptus Astartes curbstomp the Empire on their lonesome.

As badly scaled as 40k is, Star Wars is a franchise that is actually WAY worse. The clone wars began with 200,000 troops. That is pretty small even by modern standards on Earth, we don't even have a term for how pathetically small that is for a galaxy wide conflict.

pm713 wrote:
Except the Star Wars ships can't actually go anywhere in the Imperium. So their ships can be as good as anything and be useless.

This is actually incorrect. The hyperdrives of the SW universe are equivalent to the inertialess drives of the Necrons, and do not utilize the Warp in anyway.

 Psienesis wrote:

pm713 wrote:
Except the Star Wars ships can't actually go anywhere in the Imperium. So their ships can be as good as anything and be useless.

This is actually incorrect. The hyperdrives of the SW universe are equivalent to the inertialess drives of the Necrons, and do not utilize the Warp in anyway.

When did I mention the Warp?

In the "can't go anywhere" bit. You don't need a destination to engage your hyperdrive. The sensor systems tell you where all celestial bodies are within a given number of LY. You tell your astromech droid, or your nav-comp, to calculate the jump to the limit of your sensors, and you jump. Rinse, repeat.

It's not fast, but SW sensor technology is superior to that of 40K, by an extremely large margin. In so doing, you will eventually arrive at a populated system or be able to get a pretty good "map" of the sector, not to mention identify Forge and Hive Worlds by the background "noise" of their industrial centers, radio communications, and so forth.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Clone/Storm Troopers can't even hit a target at 10 meters... The only reason they won the Clone Wars is because the battle droids were even worse at fighting
No wonder the Empire was defeated by a bunch of rebels led by a farmer with a lightsaber.

Hey now, in the American Revolution the British Empire was beaten by a bunch of rebels led by a farmer with false teeth.

Don't underestimate a properly-equipped farmer.

Styormtroopers are roughly IG quality\equivalent on a per body basis. but the Imperium has many, MANY more. The SM would ignore the conflict on the ground - leaving that to the Guard, and take the Empire's ships away via boarding actions.

 carldooley wrote:
Styormtroopers are roughly IG quality\equivalent on a per body basis. but the Imperium has many, MANY more. The SM would ignore the conflict on the ground - leaving that to the Guard, and take the Empire's ships away via boarding actions.

Stormtroopers are more equivalent to Stormtroopers - well, Scions - actually.

Thing is, Stormtroopers know what will happen if their blaster bolts actually go near anyone wielding a lightsaber, so they miss on purpose.

The blasters of SW, although they are plasma weapons, have terrible range in-universe compared to real-world slugthrowers (and even in-universe slugthrowers), and are wildly inaccurate in most cases.

Turns out, throwing a round ball of plasma at someone is subject to all kinds of atmospheric effects that can cause shots to drift wildly.

 Psienesis wrote:
In the "can't go anywhere" bit. You don't need a destination to engage your hyperdrive. The sensor systems tell you where all celestial bodies are within a given number of LY. You tell your astromech droid, or your nav-comp, to calculate the jump to the limit of your sensors, and you jump. Rinse, repeat.

It's not fast, but SW sensor technology is superior to that of 40K, by an extremely large margin. In so doing, you will eventually arrive at a populated system or be able to get a pretty good "map" of the sector, not to mention identify Forge and Hive Worlds by the background "noise" of their industrial centers, radio communications, and so forth.

That is not true. Star Wars hyperdrives need nav computers to function (pilots are not able to make the complicated calculation on their own) and nav computers need the proper star charts to function. Sensors do not work in hyperspace, and even if they did, the speed would be too fast. The moment they'd detect an object you'd already be right in the middle of it.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hyperspace#Navigation

Technically, you could just insert random coordinates into your nav computer, but doing so would be extremely dangerous and stupid. Even if you'd survive, you would likely just end up in empty space.

Space Marines could be naked with no weapons and still win all of those, but add the layers of plasteel/adamantium/ceramite plus their various weapons and vehicles and this is an absolute bloodbath