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Here's to hoping for Hybirds with Conversion Beamers, Autocannon weapon teams [as opposed to a single man] and Purestrain Genestealers done in the chunkier old Space Hulk style!

I know I have been gearing up for some 6-12 man skirmish games using 2nd edition rules (think Necromunda, with 40k races) and easily bought Genestealer cults would be great.

 warboss wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Why would they get flak for Sisters?

The entire look and superficial premise of the army is a combination of porn tropes. Super hot angry nuns who look like they're dressed in leather out to punish all the naughty boys? Oh , and they also like to cause pain to themselves too. They're scifi bdsm hot nun dominatrixes. I have no righteous indignation issue with the design but the inspiration is obvious to most folks encountering it (despite (GW's chapterhouse claim of all 100% "original" inspiration free content). With GW shying away from all things related to sex (like Slaneesh in AOS), I wouldn't be surprised about extending that to SOB...I don't agree but I'm not surprised.

Seems like Space Marine sprue with Sisters head and special weapons sprue would fix that.
Only have to make that extra sprue and then get even more sales from the SM tactical squad molds

On topic, if GW make a GS force available especially as part of a new BaC type set I'd be interested in buying in.
BaC does a brilliant job as a boardgame/miniatures wargame IMO. And I wouldn't have bought a single 30k model if it hadn't been part of BaC as a boardgame.

 warboss wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Why would they get flak for Sisters?

The entire look and superficial premise of the army is a combination of porn tropes. Super hot angry nuns who look like they're dressed in leather out to punish all the naughty boys? Oh , and they also like to cause pain to themselves too. They're scifi bdsm hot nun dominatrixes. I have no righteous indignation issue with the design but the inspiration is obvious to most folks encountering it (despite (GW's chapterhouse claim of all 100% "original" inspiration free content). With GW shying away from all things related to sex (like Slaneesh in AOS), I wouldn't be surprised about extending that to SOB...I don't agree but I'm not surprised.

Porn tropes to whom very repressed people? sisters n porn are quite far in my mind so...

Mortifaction cults are quite popular in early Christian history where SoB get the majority of their fluff. so the whole repentia thing i see less sexulized than most people think.
Nuns are sexual now?, you know i lived close to a nunnery when i was a child and honestly sex is not the first thing i think of regarding them. And if you do think that when you look at SOB which are Gothic, space nuns who like burning stuff I think you need to calm down honestly.

originally they were the inquisition of the inquisition so they have changed a lot.

But yes i completely see why its happening, because its happening in every niche hobby. You get a lot, and i mean a lot of people trying to force various ideologies within them and its wrong. Take for example the flack Pathfinder got for a magic item, belt of gender swap that has existed in d&d for maybe 20 years? if not longer

Fimir are gone and i can see GSC being very sanitized..


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migooo wrote:

Nuns are sexual now?, you know i lived close to a nunnery when i was a child and honestly sex is not the first thing i think of regarding them. And if you do think that when you look at SOB which are Gothic, space nuns who like burning stuff I think you need to calm down honestly.

Nuns aren't sexual. Now, if you take the typical picture of a elderly religious woman who devotes her life to helping others



1) Replace the elderly woman with an attractive female usually 1/3 her age.

2) Take away the lose fitting very covering simple cotton clothes and replace them with skintight leather outfits with a corset that by definition is worn to accentuate the breasts and figure that are laughable referred to as power armor

3) Change the typical kneeling pose to one in which the pelvis is wide open and slap on some high heels

4) Change the fluff from a simple peaceful life of devotion to one predicated on causing pain to themselves as well as punishing naughty men

You get



which is a hell of alot closer to (NSFW but from a Pistachio commercial on TV)



than any of the kind folks who taught me in 12 years of Catholic school.

Again, I don't frankly care that they did that nor does it bother me but I call a spade a spade. GW chose to overtly sexualize a type of religious order to appeal to their largely young and single male demographic. Pretending otherwise isn't sexual repression but rather straight up denial and a very practical application of the fluff SOB proverb: "Blessed is the mind too small for doubt." GW have tonned it down admittedly a bit in the years since Blanche but that doesn't change the fact that this is how they decided to introduce most of the gaming world to Sisters of Battle as a faction. The world has yet to see a practical armored sister of battle depiction from GW that isn't needlessly sexualized.

Also, I didn't log out of google before searching for safe dom pictures. I dread to see what my google ads will now display on the web!

While this is a topic that I would like to approach and there is so much i take issue with in your post.

I want to know two points are mods going to allow this discussion anywhere on this forum. and if the posts mention certain movements will the person be banned or have posts removed.

Probably?

Best to PM a Mod with specifics if you're worried.

To note - it really is NOT on topic in this thread though.

I think its partially on-topic. The basis of concern for Genestealer cults making a come back being too graphic or mature... and people seeing the mature aspect of SoB in a similar light.

migooo wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Why would they get flak for Sisters?

The entire look and superficial premise of the army is a combination of porn tropes. Super hot angry nuns who look like they're dressed in leather out to punish all the naughty boys? Oh , and they also like to cause pain to themselves too. They're scifi bdsm hot nun dominatrixes. I have no righteous indignation issue with the design but the inspiration is obvious to most folks encountering it (despite (GW's chapterhouse claim of all 100% "original" inspiration free content). With GW shying away from all things related to sex (like Slaneesh in AOS), I wouldn't be surprised about extending that to SOB...I don't agree but I'm not surprised.

Porn tropes to whom very repressed people? sisters n porn are quite far in my mind so...

Mortifaction cults are quite popular in early Christian history where SoB get the majority of their fluff. so the whole repentia thing i see less sexulized than most people think.
Nuns are sexual now?, you know i lived close to a nunnery when i was a child and honestly sex is not the first thing i think of regarding them. And if you do think that when you look at SOB which are Gothic, space nuns who like burning stuff I think you need to calm down honestly.

originally they were the inquisition of the inquisition so they have changed a lot.

But yes i completely see why its happening, because its happening in every niche hobby. You get a lot, and i mean a lot of people trying to force various ideologies within them and its wrong. Take for example the flack Pathfinder got for a magic item, belt of gender swap that has existed in d&d for maybe 20 years? if not longer

Fimir are gone and i can see GSC being very sanitized..

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Fimir were reintroduced by FW, you can still get the models on their site.

I think alot of what you're saying is moot. This is ultimately a game played with toys. Every faction has some hangup that some people see as goofy, silly, or stupid, but it doesn't matter. As long as we're playing with toy's I don't think its anyone's place to tell someone they can't have fun, when no body is getting hurt. Every aspect of 40k is tropes and characterizations, it is overly sensitive and misguided to single out this particular one. I think what is most telling is how often anecdotally I hear about some trying to get a significant other interested in the game; like it or not women do gravitate to this army but the lack of availability forces them to look elsewhere in the range or abandon interest. Nun's with guns are a staple of the 80's sci-fi heavy metal scene 40k is born from. We used to have female-ish daemons with boobs hanging out, a strong female protagonist with religious righteous indignation and determination in form fitting armor is orders of magnitude more wholesome. If they are concerned with aesthetic, aesthetics can evolve.

Okay the Fimir on FW you are aware how dark they were originally right?, a three creature release and the odd mention in now unusable books for the glorious Age of Blandmar is not bringing them back. And that reminds me I should pick some up before they go poof.

Largely I agree with you. A girl actually introduced me to SoB or the Adeptus Sororirtas honestly in my art class in RT.

While I'm inclined to agree that certain tropes (urgh) are present in SoB the fact that designers are scared by the PC crowd vexes me beyond belief.

I have about 300 pounds in my SoB fund if they ever appear. And while I have dipped into it for RH I'd literally throw all of it at GW if they appeared. You know they could even do sponsor our next army on their site (like a crowd funding campaign ) and I'd (and this is probably the only way I'd ever pay full price) give all of it to GW just for them to return.

How they do GsC will be extremely forthcoming as mindless violence is fine as long as you don't see any kind of skin. Or forced implantation by GS..or Fimir...

According to BOLS GW are releasing limited SoB codexes printed on the emperors foreskin...

 aka_mythos wrote:
The basis of concern for Genestealer cults making a come back being too graphic or mature...

How?

Those nasty genestealers 'impregnate' victims with their DNA rather than just ripping them apart into tiny chunks of twitching flesh to be digested by the hive fleet.....

A bit rapey/sexual if you're being ultra sensitive which GW seems to be becoming with the hiding away of Slanesh and the toning down of the 15 year old boy 'Boobies' aesthetic in the art etc

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Those nasty genestealers 'impregnate' victims with their DNA rather than just ripping them apart into tiny chunks of twitching flesh to be digested by the hive fleet.....

A bit rapey/sexual if you're being ultra sensitive which GW seems to be becoming with the hiding away of Slanesh and the toning down of the 15 year old boy 'Boobies' aesthetic in the art etc

That's more like a virus than anything sexual.

 Tyran wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Those nasty genestealers 'impregnate' victims with their DNA rather than just ripping them apart into tiny chunks of twitching flesh to be digested by the hive fleet.....

A bit rapey/sexual if you're being ultra sensitive which GW seems to be becoming with the hiding away of Slanesh and the toning down of the 15 year old boy 'Boobies' aesthetic in the art etc

That's more like a virus than anything sexual.

doesn't the human mother give birth to the genestealer though? Kinda hard to say that it isn't sexual when that is the case.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Those nasty genestealers 'impregnate' victims with their DNA rather than just ripping them apart into tiny chunks of twitching flesh to be digested by the hive fleet.....

A bit rapey/sexual if you're being ultra sensitive which GW seems to be becoming with the hiding away of Slanesh and the toning down of the 15 year old boy 'Boobies' aesthetic in the art etc

That's more like a virus than anything sexual.

doesn't the human mother give birth to the genestealer though? Kinda hard to say that it isn't sexual when that is the case.

A Genestealer Hybrid is birthed from 2 human parents. The Genestealer DNA "impregnation" only changes the victim DNA, but the sexual part still is between members of the same species (unless the species in question is asexual like the Orks).

So it is closer to a virus, changing the host DNA to produce more of it's own.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
The basis of concern for Genestealer cults making a come back being too graphic or mature...

How?

Just saying its how we got steered a bit off topic. Fictionally its certainly somewhere between Aliens, Village of the Damned, and Children of the Corn.

 Tyran wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Those nasty genestealers 'impregnate' victims with their DNA rather than just ripping them apart into tiny chunks of twitching flesh to be digested by the hive fleet.....

A bit rapey/sexual if you're being ultra sensitive which GW seems to be becoming with the hiding away of Slanesh and the toning down of the 15 year old boy 'Boobies' aesthetic in the art etc

That's more like a virus than anything sexual.

doesn't the human mother give birth to the genestealer though? Kinda hard to say that it isn't sexual when that is the case.

A Genestealer Hybrid is birthed from 2 human parents. The Genestealer DNA "impregnation" only changes the victim DNA, but the sexual part still is between members of the same species (unless the species in question is asexual like the Orks).

So it is closer to a virus, changing the host DNA to produce more of it's own.

Correctamundo.

And the writer's treatment of the subject matter could easily head off any possible concern here. Write about it operating like a virus in pseudo-clinical terms and no one will go down the other path.

I mean, Implant Attack is a call-back to Genestealers, who implant their DNA in subjects via their tongue. There is no sexy time involved for the Genestealer itself.

I'm pretty sure I knew what I was getting with a genestealer cult rumour thread. Turns out I was wrong.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Those nasty genestealers 'impregnate' victims with their DNA rather than just ripping them apart into tiny chunks of twitching flesh to be digested by the hive fleet.....

A bit rapey/sexual if you're being ultra sensitive which GW seems to be becoming with the hiding away of Slanesh and the toning down of the 15 year old boy 'Boobies' aesthetic in the art etc

It's not "rapey" at all. They don't "impregnate" anyone. They alter the DNA of their victims so that when those victims breed they give birth to hybrids. It's not "Aliens" style procreation.

So any actual on-topic news?

I remember reading about this a few months back here:

http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/deathwatch-sprues.html

As someone who has an entire Deathwatch company (100 marines exactly!) I would be excited to have more toys to play with. I wouldn't be surprised if any releases are underwhelming - The shoulderpads, guns and helmets already exist as a metal kit - I only see a few additional pieces such as alien trophies being added and perhaps icons/purity seals.

from how the rumors are going it is supposedly just an add on spruce for one of the veteran kits. which is honestly a fairly decent idea as then can just plug that like the add on ones they did for the Dark Angels and others.

I want this true so badly. I ran out of the old metal bits and would love updated bolter as the old one is tiny next to the new one's.

I would imagine shoulderpads and bolters to add to a kit like Sternguard would be a nice modern version of the old Deathwatch metal bitz.

 warboss wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Why would they get flak for Sisters?

The entire look and superficial premise of the army is a combination of porn tropes. Super hot angry nuns who look like they're dressed in leather out to punish all the naughty boys? Oh , and they also like to cause pain to themselves too. They're scifi bdsm hot nun dominatrixes. I have no righteous indignation issue with the design but the inspiration is obvious to most folks encountering it (despite (GW's chapterhouse claim of all 100% "original" inspiration free content). With GW shying away from all things related to sex (like Slaneesh in AOS), I wouldn't be surprised about extending that to SOB...I don't agree but I'm not surprised.

Keep your Sexual deviant practices to yourself! I don't want to hear of it!

If those hybrids come out i have to get me one of those cult (inquisitor) cruisers

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
Well, you know *I* want GCults to happen. And I trust Hastings and Sad Panda. I don't trust BOLS rumors even a little.

However, it is *believable* that GW would just throw some regular Tyranids into the box, or cobble together some infiltrating Tyranids and slap a "Genestealer Cult" label on them. So we'll see.

From what I've heard, that's not the case here.

Hopefully they use the release of the cult as an excuse to redo the genestealers models. This kit is starting to show its age.

Usually once a plastic kit starts to show its age.... it.... never gets fixed? Yeah. Every single old plastic kit of GW's has yet to be updated. Catachans, CSM squad, Genestealers... Help's not coming, I'm afraid.

I would love to see a genestealer cult army make a return. Before, I would have laughed this rumor out of the party, but since the AdMech army, I think all things are now possible. AdMech sold well, it woke a few folks up at GWHQ.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I would love to see a genestealer cult army make a return. Before, I would have laughed this rumor out of the party, but since the AdMech army, I think all things are now possible. AdMech sold well, it woke a few folks up at GWHQ.

My buddy who works at gw HQ said the same, they expected it to do well, but ad mech sold much better than the estimations.

 Wulfmar wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if any releases are underwhelming - The shoulderpads, guns and helmets already exist as a metal kit

That's the point! Metal models are old fashioned and gone. Finecast is gone, too. Every new release will be made entirely of plastic.