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BaronVonSnakPak wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
When GW makes bad models (Fyreslayers, Wulfen) they do deserve the scorn and derision they get.
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That's scorn coming from a subjective point of view, though. I think the Wulfen and Fyreslayer minis are amazing, and they deserve praise for them.

Does this mean we have to settle this dispute...in the Thunderdome?

Is there a point of view that isn't "subjective?"

 BloodGrin wrote:

Davor wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:
Are there any rumors about rules to play them in 40k? I would love it if all of the deathwatch guys were independant characters and you could take a formation of 5 or 10 of them as a kill squad/kill team.

Or are there gonna be 2 mini codices for the rules of the GC and the death watch?

Yes you can. While I don't know the rules very well, I believe it's called UNBOUND.

While there is no codex for it, you would have to have all the individual codices to field it legally. Problem is if your opponent isn't so prudish to let you play it.

This is kind of a worthless and honestly pretty stupid answer.
There are no genestealer cult rules, if someone wants to play genestealers they have been around forever.
There are also no rules for these characters.
So why waste people's time with a really stupid and unhelpful answer?

God dam you like spoiling people's fun there's rules for GSC in second ed.......

Oh and deathwatch there was WD rules just use those, and don't be such a spoil sport.

Great work there Major Tom. Beautifully done.

Thanks Migoo,

migooo wrote:

 BloodGrin wrote:

Davor wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:
Are there any rumors about rules to play them in 40k? I would love it if all of the deathwatch guys were independant characters and you could take a formation of 5 or 10 of them as a kill squad/kill team.

Or are there gonna be 2 mini codices for the rules of the GC and the death watch?

Yes you can. While I don't know the rules very well, I believe it's called UNBOUND.

While there is no codex for it, you would have to have all the individual codices to field it legally. Problem is if your opponent isn't so prudish to let you play it.

This is kind of a worthless and honestly pretty stupid answer.
There are no genestealer cult rules, if someone wants to play genestealers they have been around forever.
There are also no rules for these characters.
So why waste people's time with a really stupid and unhelpful answer?

God dam you like spoiling people's fun there's rules for GSC in second ed.......

Oh and deathwatch there was WD rules just use those, and don't be such a spoil sport.

NVM

 BloodGrin wrote:

migooo wrote:

 BloodGrin wrote:

Davor wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:
Are there any rumors about rules to play them in 40k? I would love it if all of the deathwatch guys were independant characters and you could take a formation of 5 or 10 of them as a kill squad/kill team.

Or are there gonna be 2 mini codices for the rules of the GC and the death watch?

Yes you can. While I don't know the rules very well, I believe it's called UNBOUND.

While there is no codex for it, you would have to have all the individual codices to field it legally. Problem is if your opponent isn't so prudish to let you play it.

This is kind of a worthless and honestly pretty stupid answer.
There are no genestealer cult rules, if someone wants to play genestealers they have been around forever.
There are also no rules for these characters.
So why waste people's time with a really stupid and unhelpful answer?

God dam you like spoiling people's fun there's rules for GSC in second ed.......

Oh and deathwatch there was WD rules just use those, and don't be such a spoil sport.

So a White Dwarf from 2005, and 2nd edition Genestealer Cult rules are someone's suggestion and I have some illiterate calling me a spoil sport?
Interesting.

You said there were no rules. I proved otherwise you didn't say they had to be a specific edition. And you know there's no rules on punctuation or whatever. So I choose to write the way I feel comfortable. If you have a problem with this there are forums that have stricter rules.


I play second Ed so you know those rules work for me.

 gorgon wrote:
NICE! How are you doing, brother? I gotta admit I never saw this day coming until the rumors started flowing from good sources. We still need our codex, but I'm feeling good about the chances.

You have to feel great. You put in a lot of work over the years to keep GCults alive, man.

And did I spell your name wrong AGAIN? Jesus. Then again, I recall that being a pub quiz question back in the day, so it wasn't just me...

No worries - between old GW books and FFG RPG books it's pretty common, especially as I consider the way our family spells it to be a typo. I can't complain though, as I've typo'd other people when doing the credits page books I've produced (or even missed them, sorry again there Matt!).

We have models, so hopefully a codex or at least some WD rules will appear. With Brood Brothers!

I'm also hoping we'll get some multi-pose kits too, but I've also been waiting for a proper chaos cultists kit ever since Dark Vengeance came out. It will be interesting to see the sprues for this game as to who convertable the figs look. It would be fun to build a new throne for the new Patriatch...

-Tim

I really like the new genestealer models. I'm also quite curious if (purestrain) genestealers will get better. That would be cool, as I have like, a half dozen plus copies of Space Hulk... meaning... a truckload of genestealers if I painted them all

jimmyjimjam1066 wrote:

BaronVonSnakPak wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
When GW makes bad models (Fyreslayers, Wulfen) they do deserve the scorn and derision they get.
.

That's scorn coming from a subjective point of view, though. I think the Wulfen and Fyreslayer minis are amazing, and they deserve praise for them.

Does this mean we have to settle this dispute...in the Thunderdome?

Is there a point of view that isn't "subjective?"

My point of view for GW is the same as for every other miniature manufacturing company. When they make models that I think are amazing, I buy them, and when they make models that I don't like, or don't fit the projects I'm working on, I pass.

I don't think any company deserves scorn and derision. Besides, if I hopped around deriding every new release for every company that makes models that I think are hilariously bad, I wouldn't be able to do anything else in my life

Incidentally, I said I was going to pass on the Wulfen, because I didn't think they were all that spectacular. When I actually saw the sprues, I liked them more than I thought I would and I actually bought a box. They are actually really nice bits, IMO. The Fyreslayers I love. If I had any desire or possibility of painting dwarves in the next 10 years, I would have bought them, but sadly, that's not going to happen.

jimmyjimjam1066 wrote:

BaronVonSnakPak wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
When GW makes bad models (Fyreslayers, Wulfen) they do deserve the scorn and derision they get.
.

That's scorn coming from a subjective point of view, though. I think the Wulfen and Fyreslayer minis are amazing, and they deserve praise for them.

Does this mean we have to settle this dispute...in the Thunderdome?

Is there a point of view that isn't "subjective?"

He was making it sound like GW deserved criticism for making a bad product. Those kits are the same quality of plastic, highly detailed, have tons of bits, and are priced the same as their equivalents in any other army. So while mostly everyone in here is praising -these- minis for this set, someone could come in here and think they look terrible and GW deserves scorn, which they have the right to do but it doesn't make it a bad product, it just means it's not for their tastes. It's subjective, but objectively speaking they're same level of quality as everything else GW has produced the last few years.

Now, if GW released the Wulfen and Fyreslayers (or anything AoS that people don't like the look of) for the same/higher price with bad plastic, muddled details, and limited bits, then that would be objectively bad products, and worthy of "scorn and derision".

I couldn't imagine being a designer for GW, people complain when they stick with classic designs because they want something new, and when they try something new people complain that they didn't stick with classic designs. You can't please everybody, but it seems like there's less and less of a middle ground these days.

 MajorTom11 wrote:

Overall, this is probably the best box I have ever seen from GW, everything is amazing, every last model looks thought out, cared for and finely crafted. If they charge 30 bucks for a single character these days, each model in this box is is good as any single infantry model they've put out to me, so even if it is 200 CAD, it is still a hell of a deal to me.

For the first time in a long time, way to go GW

I think that's the price it will be too -- 100 GBP, 200 CAD, 165 USD. I think it's the nicest big box of models they'll have come out with since Space Hulk. Considering you get 50+ models that look just awesome and that are mounted on regular 40k bases, I'm happy.

 Talys wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:

Overall, this is probably the best box I have ever seen from GW, everything is amazing, every last model looks thought out, cared for and finely crafted. If they charge 30 bucks for a single character these days, each model in this box is is good as any single infantry model they've put out to me, so even if it is 200 CAD, it is still a hell of a deal to me.

For the first time in a long time, way to go GW

I think that's the price it will be too -- 100 GBP, 200 CAD, 165 USD. I think it's the nicest big box of models they'll have come out with since Space Hulk. Considering you get 50+ models that look just awesome and that are mounted on regular 40k bases, I'm happy.

100gbp or 105gbp? rumors say 200cad/165usd/105gbp/135eur

Yuuuuuuuuuuup. Definitely ordering two. Those are some fantastic minis on both sides of the box. I don't know or care why the dude is on a bike, other than they made each of the marines as stereotypical of their chapter as possible short of a Death Company for the Blood Angel.

guru wrote:

 Talys wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:

Overall, this is probably the best box I have ever seen from GW, everything is amazing, every last model looks thought out, cared for and finely crafted. If they charge 30 bucks for a single character these days, each model in this box is is good as any single infantry model they've put out to me, so even if it is 200 CAD, it is still a hell of a deal to me.

For the first time in a long time, way to go GW

I think that's the price it will be too -- 100 GBP, 200 CAD, 165 USD. I think it's the nicest big box of models they'll have come out with since Space Hulk. Considering you get 50+ models that look just awesome and that are mounted on regular 40k bases, I'm happy.

100gbp or 105gbp? rumors say 200cad/165usd/105gbp/135eur

All the rumours I've seen say £100.

 ImAGeek wrote:


All the rumours I've seen say £100.

in the comments of some rumors, people indicate these prices according gw

+-5£€ is not excessive difference

Warhams-77 wrote:

 privateer4hire wrote:
Crud. Was hoping they'd start an unofficial series using the BaC engine.
They're darn decent rules and it would be fairly easy to tweak boxed game scenarios by making new cards for units.

Calth II is rumored to be released in Fall 2016 so in about 7-9 months from now by Sad Panda.


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Thumbs up for the comparison pics, MajorTom11

That's too bad. I think id rather have seen an expansion to calth rather than a completely different board game. If this is a new trend from gw I wonder how many different board games they can come up with.
I do wonder though if the majority of buyers will be after the miniatures rather than the game.

It's almost like they're some sort of workshop churning out games.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
It's almost like they're some sort of workshop churning out games.

For a minute, I thought they were a model company...

 Nostromodamus wrote:
It's almost like they're some sort of workshop churning out games.

it's a rare occasion here on dakka lately but I loled
Rofl...

Warhams-77 wrote:
Tim Huckelbery... I just read in your 3rd ed army list two hours ago to compare it with the leaks, and the Compilation and 2nd ed list. Cheers!

Good times indeed

It was cool to see the Hierarch re-invented into the Genestealer Primus
-Tim

Davor wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:
Are there any rumors about rules to play them in 40k? I would love it if all of the deathwatch guys were independant characters and you could take a formation of 5 or 10 of them as a kill squad/kill team.

Or are there gonna be 2 mini codices for the rules of the GC and the death watch?

Yes you can. While I don't know the rules very well, I believe it's called UNBOUND.

While there is no codex for it, you would have to have all the individual codices to field it legally. Problem is if your opponent isn't so prudish to let you play it.

I meant for the genestealer cult as well, the death watch was just an example of how I would like it to be implemented. As for unbound, I doubt my playgroup would let me play with things like a smoke launcher jump pack or a frag cannon devastator... And yeah I could count them as other wargear but I would much rather like official rules, so no I can't play them unbound.

TimHuckelbery wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Tim Huckelbery... I just read in your 3rd ed army list two hours ago to compare it with the leaks, and the Compilation and 2nd ed list. Cheers!

Good times indeed

It was cool to see the Hierarch re-invented into the Genestealer Primus
-Tim

All we need is the limo

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Nice pics!

That game looks like it is close to "Assassinorum: Execution Force" in scale and scope... was that game any good?

I enjoyed it. It's nice to have a game that is strictly "cooperative"(each player gets an Assassin) or that you can bust out and play by yourself if you want to.

My wife and like enjoy the mechanics, but it is too easy.


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 BrotherGecko wrote:
I enjoy the IF guy carrying a man-portable MK19 lol.

Also so if the IH guy is wearing MK3 armor, does that mean plastic MK3 armor confirmed for HH hahaha?

MKIII is real man's MK!

I will find a place for that IF in my army, yes....

The WD article got Neophytes and Acolytes reversed. .

I'm loving some of the details on these minis -- the nose plugs, the top of the Magus's staff, etc.

from twitter...

WD contains 40k rules for all members of the #deathwatch kill team! Plus all board game rules. Next week: 40k rules for the cult!
50 models, 48page rulebook, 8 board sections, cards and dice: £100/€140

guru wrote:
from twitter...

WD contains 40k rules for all members of the #deathwatch kill team! Plus all board game rules. Next week: 40k rules for the cult!
50 models, 48page rulebook, 8 board sections, cards and dice: £100/€140

thats amazing!

Is it? Sounds like doing a basic idea to me. "Provide rules" ain't exactly an innovation

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Is it? Sounds like doing a basic idea to me. "Provide rules" ain't exactly an innovation

Not releasing them in a 60$ book or 2 30$ books but instead releasing them in two 3$ magazines is nice...

guru wrote:
from twitter...

WD contains 40k rules for all members of the #deathwatch kill team! Plus all board game rules. Next week: 40k rules for the cult!
50 models, 48page rulebook, 8 board sections, cards and dice: £100/€140

Yesssss! *fist pump*

Would have been nice to include them in the board game too.

"Now try your models in this game! Here's the rules!"

Could have been a great gateway to 40k.

Also for anyone buying it in the far future, it would save them having to track down back issues of WD.

guru wrote:
from twitter...

WD contains 40k rules for all members of the #deathwatch kill team! Plus all board game rules. Next week: 40k rules for the cult!
50 models, 48page rulebook, 8 board sections, cards and dice: £100/€140

Link?

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Would have been nice to include them in the board game too.

"Now try your models in this game! Here's the rules!"

Could have been a great gateway to 40k.

Also for anyone buying it in the far future, it would save them having to track down back issues of WD.

I think that it is safe to say that GSC will be in the Tyranid update when it hits, whether a full dex or a Space Wolves type update.
As for Deathwatch I would think that if they do get an individual release as has been rumored that there will be a mini slate/ dex / campaign for them when that time comes.

Oooooookay, but when next week? The leaks have been spoiling me too much to the brink of ecstasy.