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 Nostromodamus wrote:
Damn son, dat sprue efficiency!

YEAH! Tell me about it


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 Azazelx wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Rainyday wrote:

I was speaking about it purely as a board game. Imagine if there wasn't a compatible miniatures game you were going to use the models for. If it were any other board game, players would cry foul if they had to buy extra boxes to transport their game around. If you bought a copy of Risk, or even a euro game like Carcasonne, and all the little plastic soldiers/meeple couldn't be put back into the box so you could haul it around, you wouldn't be happy.

Well, that's a problem with most boardgames that contain larger multi-piece models. Even if they're snap-fit the desire to put them back to pieces stops once you painted them.

I guess if you don't want to buy another box you just have to wrap the models, put them in the box and use a simple bag for the tiles, counters and cards.

Agreed - My Zombicide models don't get chucked back into the box once painted. Shadows of Brimstone has some BIG boys in it that won't fit back into the box. I agree that for many boardgames it's incredibly handy to be able to fit all of the components back into the box, but with Miniatures Boardgames it's often a bit different to those that use meeples.

It's just not the same thing because most people buy a $150+ miniature board game to have the miniatures; I don't think anyone would pay $150 for a board game without the miniatures. And if you want the miniatures, you're dealing with all the same issues as any other miniature/collectible hobby, which is the display or storage of finished miniatures.

The amount of GW product I have bought over the decades has actually been proportionate to square footage of my home, LOL. When I ended up buying a single-family home for the first time, my miniature purchases (GW and otherwise) skyrocketed, and it wasn't because of either income or ability to buy the stuff -- it was the space to display or store the thousands of models that I wasn't actively using and the shelves full of stuff that I dream of modelling.

 Talys wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Damn son, dat sprue efficiency!

YEAH! Tell me about it

As long as you can get clippers on to them. Sometimes when they densely pack a sprue they have to give the attachment points a weird shape that isn't all that conducive to removing them without damage.

Well damn, I really hope I can get the Cultist sprue for a decent price from Ebay, etc.

 CURNOW wrote:
So having not pre-orderd before whats the del time like ? Is it dispatched so it turns up fri/sat or is it dispatched on the sat so it turns up tuesday ish ? From gw ?

It seems to depend on if it's home or store delivery.

Store delivery, barring some kind of huge crisis with their shipping department, they'll be there for Saturday.
Home delivery? Anyone's guess! Sometimes it's early, sometimes it's after the release, sometimes it's the day of release.


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 Talys wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Damn son, dat sprue efficiency!

YEAH! Tell me about it

As long as you can get clippers on to them. Sometimes when they densely pack a sprue they have to give the attachment points a weird shape that isn't all that conducive to removing them without damage.

When the sprues are packed like that or it's a piece that is extremely detailed, I usually will clip the sprue around each attachment point to get the part loose and then remove the attachment points after.

Some people who've seen me do it at the local GW(notably when I was working on Archaon) look at me like I'm crazy.

 Talys wrote:

BaronVonSnakPak wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

But the Deathwatch sprues are not cut for individual clampacks so I don't see how their typical pricing for individual characters is in any way relevant. I mean who in their right mind is going to go out and buy 11 SM characters at $30 a pop for all different chapters? I dare GW to release 11 plastic minis for $330. In fact I triple dog dare them!

I don't think they will, I think people are only using that comparison based on the similarity in quality and detail between the $30 clampack characters and the DWO marines.

Does resin count? The Primarch collection is 11 minis for GBP670... $1k+

This is why I don't buy from FW. Love the minis, hate the cost and all the "joy' that resin entails.

edit: I saw Zombicide mentioned earlier, I actually love Zombicide for the fact that the boxes have premade plastic "cases" for all the figs to be put in and stored back in the main box when not in play. Black Plague being the best example.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Well damn, I really hope I can get the Cultist sprue for a decent price from Ebay, etc.

I am hoping the same for the Marines. I am going halfsies on a boxed set for the DW, but I kinda want more for customization purposes.

I did notice that the DW characters have NO chapter tactics of any sort, so one could even just play these as a specialized squad of Marines all from one chapter. I have considered doing just that, but I think I am going to paint my first group of the models as the intended characters. If I get a second group, they will all become Crimson Fists and Blood Angels.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Well damn, I really hope I can get the Cultist sprue for a decent price from Ebay, etc.

I am hoping the same for the Marines. I am going halfsies on a boxed set for the DW, but I kinda want more for customization purposes.

I did notice that the DW characters have NO chapter tactics of any sort, so one could even just play these as a specialized squad of Marines all from one chapter. I have considered doing just that, but I think I am going to paint my first group of the models as the intended characters. If I get a second group, they will all become Crimson Fists and Blood Angels.

That's actually something I was surprised by.

While they don't have the special rule "Chapter Tactics", they do have the special rules associated with them. It's what made me think that we were going to see them all as ICs, since that would actually allow you to add in a Deathwatch member to a Codex: Space Marines unit with CT that would not cancel out their existing CTs.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Well damn, I really hope I can get the Cultist sprue for a decent price from Ebay, etc.

I am hoping the same for the Marines. I am going halfsies on a boxed set for the DW, but I kinda want more for customization purposes.

I did notice that the DW characters have NO chapter tactics of any sort, so one could even just play these as a specialized squad of Marines all from one chapter. I have considered doing just that, but I think I am going to paint my first group of the models as the intended characters. If I get a second group, they will all become Crimson Fists and Blood Angels.

That's actually something I was surprised by.

While they don't have the special rule "Chapter Tactics", they do have the special rules associated with them. It's what made me think that we were going to see them all as ICs, since that would actually allow you to add in a Deathwatch member to a Codex: Space Marines unit with CT that would not cancel out their existing CTs.

Yes, but at least this way the Librarian and Chaplain can attach to other Chapters and not mess with Chapter Tactics. I would rather they were all I'd though. However, many of them have what type of unit they are, so perhaps we will get a more thorough way to represent these guys. I don't like having to take the full squad to get to use five of the members.

 Talys wrote:
OMFG. The Genestealer sprues look AWESOME. BoLS has some leaks. The Patriarch makes me so excited. I love all the modern GW plastic robes/capes/belted robes, a la Harlequins, Sanguinary Priest, Kurtha Sedd, etc.!!

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With these, plus the shoulder pads being separated, I think I may have to up my preorder to 2 sets :X

There are better pics of the sprues on page 53.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1560/671862.page#8478693

Also, most but not all the shoulder pads are separate.

Who knows, maybe if these forces become actual, legit armies, we might get codices for them that will straighten out any minutiae people are picking over about their integration to 40k

I think this boxed set, BaC and several other recent events are relighting my fire for GW in a big way.

Oh yeah, and specialist games coming back, I will be a screaming teenage girl at a boyband concert when BFG returns to me.

Well this means that we wouldn't have a Guard codex in a while

That Hybrid sprue is fantastic. Half the game's hybrids (less the three characters) on one sprue. Very nice.

inb4 the Australian bitz sellers have the sprues cost 100 AUD each for reasons.

Man that DW sprue looks awesome. Too bad most of the shoulder pads are molded on.

Breotan wrote:Also, most but not all the shoulder pads are separate.

SickSix wrote:Too bad most of the shoulder pads are molded on.

I bet some of those shoulder pads, like the Raven Guard one, will be going for like $10 each on eBay.

The shoulder pads are almost all separate. And the left (DW-centric) arms are almost all separate as well. Very flexible part breakdown, especially for monopose Marines.

I'm quite impressed.

By my quick count, about half of the shoulder pads are not separate. It looks like the Iron Hands guy's shoulder pads are not.

@Median Trace - Yeah, I think you're right. I'll keep my pre-order to just 1 until I see the actual sprues. It's gonna take a long time to get through 50 models anyhow, but at the end of the day, I think this is a box set that I'll have to buy 2 of. It would be nice to have more game tiles, too.

 dienekes96 wrote:
The shoulder pads are almost all separate. And the left (DW-centric) arms are almost all separate as well. Very flexible part breakdown, especially for monopose Marines.

I'm quite impressed.

Now it's about the iconography. The BA, DA and SW Marines are probably unsalvageable, but if that Imp Fist isn't covered in fists, he could be an interesting Devastator elsewhere.

Does anyone know if this is a permanent product or is it one of those ORDER NOW FANBOI OR YOU WILL NEVER SEE THIS AGAIN things.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Does anyone know if this is a permanent product or is it one of those ORDER NOW FANBOI OR YOU WILL NEVER SEE THIS AGAIN things.

Apparently the latter, but probably not quite that capslock-ish in urgency We're probably not looking at Space Hulk or Void Shield limited, but I wouldn't put off ordering it if you do want one.

Added sprues to page 1 with local hosting for work blocked.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-518-47510_News%20And%20Rumors.html

It's supposedly a pretty big run, and I'm pretty sure they'll be limiting how many you can buy at a time to try and stop the eBay jerks squeezing people for "rare" or "OOP" box sets.

Limited run? Buggerit. Too many pressures on my wallet

Emailed GW Customer Services about availability this morning and here's the response. Panic not:

Me:

Good morning,

I've seen the YouTube video for the above and was just wondering how big this will be in terms of quantity. I assume it's a fairly large run since Genestealer Cults haven't been around for a long time!
Would appreciate it if you could shed any light on this.

Thanks

GW

Good morning,

Thank you for your email.

All I can say is that this item will be in the range for the foreseeable future and it isn't a limited edition. It will be on pre-order on Saturday 27th February.

Hope this helps.

Kind regards,

Severine

Thank you.

Wish I'd thought of something that simple.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Thank you.

Wish I'd thought of something that simple.

Don't ask the question and you don't get the answer

sweet - good to know. Defintely wanting to get a copy of this but on a buying freeze tll I get through a considerable paintign backlog!

 Januine wrote:
sweet - good to know. Defintely wanting to get a copy of this but on a buying freeze tll I get through a considerable paintign backlog!

Yeah I should wait till I get through my backlog too.

This will still be in production come 2068 right?