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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I cannot quite remember, but did the Blood Angels dude get any special rules?

Just Heroic Intervention. It is the better version of it though.

Lame. Everyone else has ways to show what Chapter they came from.

 durecellrabbit wrote:
I'm seriously considering painting these in the traditional purple and blue. I'm not sure my homemade yellow and green colour scheme will work well unless I want hybrids to look like the old racist yellow Chinese.

One thing you can do with a purple and blue scheme is add a neutral to tone down the overall effect. In my case I used khaki, which also warmed up the scheme a little. I used purple as a spot color.








I chuckled a little to see the studio painted some of their hybrids with tan carapaces, blue clothes and brown bases.

Really looking forward to gtting this later on - summerish maybe. Hoping hte fethig thing is still about!!! Gonna make the hybrids of the same kin as my Space Hulk 'stealers. Never was a fan of the classic/original purple & blue



Reckon the pale skin tones should fit the denizns of a mining colony pretty well

That black and white scheme looks pretty boss!

For mine, I went with three separate palettes of slight variation on the classic stealer scheme. Nothing drastic, just pulling towards indigo a little on one end and aqua/green a little on the other. The key for me was making sure that there was a generational transition towards human skin tone, and also a transition in the carapace from dark blue to a bone'ish color with the mildest tint to blue in 3rd gens. This way each generation had it's own scheme, but it was in context of everything around it. It makes each gen stand out from one another which is something I liked a lot.

My notes for anyone interested -





Uniforms similarly, 3 schemes in a similar pallete, mix and match clothes and leathers over white ceramic armor -

That Stealer priest thing would make a great Primaris Psyker. Just replace all them xenos iconography with Aquilas, add more purity seals, transplant a new, non derpy looking head and ta-daa

Does anyone remember how brother Artemis was designed? 'cause I thought that thought process was brilliant (or at least nicely aspirational) how they divided his armor and equipment into archaic and futuristic halves, and seeing the mishmash of stuff they've done with it is... just a bit painful. It's just a fancy shoulder pad now.

Sooooo basically you have a 3 discipline psyker, a less than decent hq, a pointless jump pack unit and one troop choice, forcing the formation on you.



m'kay

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I cannot quite remember, but did the Blood Angels dude get any special rules?

Just Heroic Intervention. It is the better version of it though.

Lame. Everyone else has ways to show what Chapter they came from.

He's got a hand flamer, they're pretty Blood Angel.

 Vermis wrote:

 durecellrabbit wrote:
I'm seriously considering painting these in the traditional purple and blue. I'm not sure my homemade yellow and green colour scheme will work well unless I want hybrids to look like the old racist yellow Chinese.

I can understand your concern! If I go with my old hive fleet colour plan, my hybrids will be black. Very black.
But in the way the studio-painted hybrids here aren't bright, saturated purple (the third and fourth generations seem more pale, starved of sunlight) I think you might get away with it if you don't go straight yellow, or the sickly greenish yellow used in old propaganda. Paint ranges have more subtle shades, suitable for yellowish skin tones of any ethnicity. Ungor flesh vs. Kislev flesh, for one example

If the 1st-2nd gen hybrids are made a bit more yellow, I think it'd be fairly easy to tell that's coming from the space-alien part of them, rather than any human.

Originally I did think of trying to mix between my yellow and ordinary flesh paint but wasn't really sure it would work well with my painting skill. I never consider using looking for naturally yellow skin paints though. I've got most of the VGC range so I'll have a look and see what I can find. Thanks for the idea.

CragHack wrote:
That Stealer priest thing would make a great Primaris Psyker. Just replace all them xenos iconography with Aquilas, add more purity seals, transplant a new, non derpy looking head and ta-daa

Exactly what I'm planning to do with him!

currently trying to work out if the aquila from top of this will be too big for the top of his staff or not...

The Blood Angel has furious charge IIRC.

Not sure if it was mentioned, but it does appear I was right about picking your Deathwatch team members each mission. Got this screen grab from the pre-order trailer.

 Bull0 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I cannot quite remember, but did the Blood Angels dude get any special rules?

Just Heroic Intervention. It is the better version of it though.

Lame. Everyone else has ways to show what Chapter they came from.

He's got a hand flamer, they're pretty Blood Angel.

Huh. My phone autocorrected "Raven" to "Angel". My bad.

Hmm, well unless there are missions that are literally only one or two tiles or the other KT members have some insane abilities, I don't see why you'd ever leave home without Cassius, the IF, and the Salamander; Cassius' buff looks really useful and he gives you a CC-fighter with a 2+ save, the IF gives you the choice of blast or multi-shot at longer range and the Sally gives you blast and a single ignore-armour shot at shorter range. And a powerfist. Seems like the only real choice involved is which of the 3 fast Marines do you want to give the teleport homer to, and pick that as your fourth.

I mean, why would you ever choose a guy with a Bolter, special ammo or not, over that Frag Cannon?

 Yodhrin wrote:
Hmm, well unless there are missions that are literally only one or two tiles or the other KT members have some insane abilities, I don't see why you'd ever leave home without Cassius, the IF, and the Salamander; Cassius' buff looks really useful and he gives you a CC-fighter with a 2+ save, the IF gives you the choice of blast or multi-shot at longer range and the Sally gives you blast and a single ignore-armour shot at shorter range. And a powerfist. Seems like the only real choice involved is which of the 3 fast Marines do you want to give the teleport homer to, and pick that as your fourth.

I mean, why would you ever choose a guy with a Bolter, special ammo or not, over that Frag Cannon?

Forging the narrative?

The formation makes me concerned, cuz forcing them all into one unit negates the bike and jump packs (or at least severely hampering them).

Is this game "limited edition" ?

 Yodhrin wrote:
Hmm, well unless there are missions that are literally only one or two tiles or the other KT members have some insane abilities, I don't see why you'd ever leave home without Cassius, the IF, and the Salamander; Cassius' buff looks really useful and he gives you a CC-fighter with a 2+ save, the IF gives you the choice of blast or multi-shot at longer range and the Sally gives you blast and a single ignore-armour shot at shorter range. And a powerfist. Seems like the only real choice involved is which of the 3 fast Marines do you want to give the teleport homer to, and pick that as your fourth.

I mean, why would you ever choose a guy with a Bolter, special ammo or not, over that Frag Cannon?

If you had limited time and needed to have the faster team members race across the board to do something as objectives in the game?
Also, it looks like the GSC player needs to be smart about use of their cards AND would have a little different challenge in missions (unlike the playthrough) where they have unlimited troop recycling.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I cannot quite remember, but did the Blood Angels dude get any special rules?

Just Heroic Intervention. It is the better version of it though.

Lame. Everyone else has ways to show what Chapter they came from.

He's got a hand flamer, they're pretty Blood Angel.

Huh. My phone autocorrected "Raven" to "Angel". My bad.

He does have Furious Charge as well. Which is the only thing differentiating a BA from a regular Marine.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Hmm, well unless there are missions that are literally only one or two tiles or the other KT members have some insane abilities, I don't see why you'd ever leave home without Cassius, the IF, and the Salamander; Cassius' buff looks really useful and he gives you a CC-fighter with a 2+ save, the IF gives you the choice of blast or multi-shot at longer range and the Sally gives you blast and a single ignore-armour shot at shorter range. And a powerfist. Seems like the only real choice involved is which of the 3 fast Marines do you want to give the teleport homer to, and pick that as your fourth.

I mean, why would you ever choose a guy with a Bolter, special ammo or not, over that Frag Cannon?

Well, we haven't seen the missions, for one thing, so there may be ones where you need to move quickly, or where you can't shoot because of dangerous gasses, or whatever.

Then, to me, the fact that there is a card for each Marine, with a Hale and Wounded side, suggests that you could do the missions in order. You might get someone wounded in mission one, and killed in mission five, and not available for use after that! Using your best guys in each mission would just get them worn down and killed if that's the case!

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
The formation makes me concerned, cuz forcing them all into one unit negates the bike and jump packs (or at least severely hampering them).

Then don't run them as the formation.
The Jump Pack models, Terminator and Biker are all their own options. Both Jump Packers and the Terminator are Elite choices and the Biker is Fast Attack.

The Imperial Fist, Dark Angel, Space Wolf, Iron Hand, and Ultramarine Sternguard are all a single Troops choice.
Cassius and the Librarian are HQs.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
The formation makes me concerned, cuz forcing them all into one unit negates the bike and jump packs (or at least severely hampering them).

Then don't run them as the formation.
The Jump Pack models, Terminator and Biker are all their own options. Both Jump Packers and the Terminator are Elite choices and the Biker is Fast Attack.

The Imperial Fist, Dark Angel, Space Wolf, Iron Hand, and Ultramarine Sternguard are all a single Troops choice.
Cassius and the Librarian are HQs.

The problem with running most of these guys solo is that only the Libby and Cassius are ICs, so the other would just be one model running around the board dodging fire.

Which is AWESOME since they are deathwatch and they don't normally have huge units of dudes running around.

I so want to play against them with my Harlequins

 Imateria wrote:

timd wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:

Such a beautiful mini. The subtle OSL while he manifests a psychic power, and the composition as a whole is superb. The pose is menacing, and I love the subtle homage to the GS cult symbol. I can't imagine that any Tyranid player wouldn't want this model in their army. It'll be interesting to see what some of these models command on eBay after boxes get broken down and parted out.

The lighting on his brain is really amazing. No idea how one would approach that technique.

T

Quick blast with an airbrush.

Take another close look. Its far more complex than a simple airbrush blast.

T


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 MajorTom11 wrote:
That black and white scheme looks pretty boss!

For mine, I went with three separate palettes of slight variation on the classic stealer scheme. Nothing drastic, just pulling towards indigo a little on one end and aqua/green a little on the other. The key for me was making sure that there was a generational transition towards human skin tone, and also a transition in the carapace from dark blue to a bone'ish color with the mildest tint to blue in 3rd gens. This way each generation had it's own scheme, but it was in context of everything around it. It makes each gen stand out from one another which is something I liked a lot.

My notes for anyone interested -

Very impressive! Is there a basic paint colors list to go along with the palettes?

T


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 Tyran wrote:
They tend to follow Tyranid color schemes.

At the time of the GSC, there was really only one Tyranid cannon color scheme and since the GSC was all birthed from the original blue/purple genestealers the GSC was based on those colors. Now? who knows...?

T

 Kanluwen wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
The formation makes me concerned, cuz forcing them all into one unit negates the bike and jump packs (or at least severely hampering them).

Then don't run them as the formation.
The Jump Pack models, Terminator and Biker are all their own options. Both Jump Packers and the Terminator are Elite choices and the Biker is Fast Attack.

The Imperial Fist, Dark Angel, Space Wolf, Iron Hand, and Ultramarine Sternguard are all a single Troops choice.
Cassius and the Librarian are HQs.

You eithe run the formation or have to run them as an allied detachment, meaning you still need to take Squad Donatus and one of the HQs.

Can't just pay 60 points to get a deep striking melta and heavy flamer!

timd wrote:

At the time of the GSC, there was really only one Tyranid cannon color scheme and since the GSC was all birthed from the original blue/purple genestealers the GSC was based on those colors. Now? who knows...?

Other Tyranid Hive Fleets also have seeded the galaxy with their own Genestealers, in the "current" Warhammer galaxy, a GSC could have been birthed a large varieties of possible Hive Fleets, even ones that had yet to enter the galaxy.

Da Butcha wrote:

Then, to me, the fact that there is a card for each Marine, with a Hale and Wounded side, suggests that you could do the missions in order. You might get someone wounded in mission one, and killed in mission five, and not available for use after that! Using your best guys in each mission would just get them worn down and killed if that's the case!

Yes! This is how I think it would be most fun to play too :-)

 EnTyme wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Not sure if the Deathwatch formation is worth it, since its 535 pts for just 11 Marines.

That is a lot of points, but most of the models have Special Ammunition and everything rerolls 1s to-wound/ to-pen. Overall, the formation is a little disappointing, but it's definitely fluffy.

I think the only way to play the Deathwatch models in a 40k game is to make use of the formation.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Not sure if the Deathwatch formation is worth it, since its 535 pts for just 11 Marines.

That is a lot of points, but most of the models have Special Ammunition and everything rerolls 1s to-wound/ to-pen. Overall, the formation is a little disappointing, but it's definitely fluffy.

I think the only way to play the Deathwatch models in a 40k game is to make use of the formation.

No, they have their own dateslates too.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Hmm, well unless there are missions that are literally only one or two tiles or the other KT members have some insane abilities, I don't see why you'd ever leave home without Cassius, the IF, and the Salamander; Cassius' buff looks really useful and he gives you a CC-fighter with a 2+ save, the IF gives you the choice of blast or multi-shot at longer range and the Sally gives you blast and a single ignore-armour shot at shorter range. And a powerfist. Seems like the only real choice involved is which of the 3 fast Marines do you want to give the teleport homer to, and pick that as your fourth.

I mean, why would you ever choose a guy with a Bolter, special ammo or not, over that Frag Cannon?

Cassius has only combat range though, which is prob about 6 inches at a guess, the Salamander is slow,speed 1, the IF has rubbish assault value.... I don't doubt there are going to be better teams than others, but the couple of games I saw yesterday in GW largely went "IF guy fires killing 2-3 guys, dies subsequently as cultist player looked at his card and targeted him mercilessly" . Stuff like gambits can reduce ranges or shut down firing altogether.

Am I the only one wondering how to combine the cultists and the Assassinorum assassins into a game to recreate the old Black Library novel ?


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Yeah the DW characters are a unit of 5, a fast attack choice, elites and 2 HQ, so no need to use formation. All in White Dwarf, it's well worth £2.40 for a printed copy in decent quality!