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 Tyran wrote:

 xttz wrote:
Does anyone know what this next WD says about Genecult faction force orgs and/or allies?

the_scotsman wrote:
Either take them in cads alongside some allies (venomthropes anyone?)

Venomthrope rules specifically only affect units from Codex: Tyranids. Technically they don't even give a benefit to the units from IA4 or even the Leviathan supplement, although good luck to anyone trying to seriously argue that in a game.

The faq changes the Codex: Tyranids references to Tyranid Faction. Of course I'm not sure if GSC would be Tyranid Faction.

We can tell that they won't be because the Genestealer Cult datasheets have a different Faction icon than Tyranids.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

 xttz wrote:
Does anyone know what this next WD says about Genecult faction force orgs and/or allies?

the_scotsman wrote:
Either take them in cads alongside some allies (venomthropes anyone?)

Venomthrope rules specifically only affect units from Codex: Tyranids. Technically they don't even give a benefit to the units from IA4 or even the Leviathan supplement, although good luck to anyone trying to seriously argue that in a game.

The faq changes the Codex: Tyranids references to Tyranid Faction. Of course I'm not sure if GSC would be Tyranid Faction.

We can tell that they won't be because the Genestealer Cult datasheets have a different Faction icon than Tyranids.

Or the white dwarf says that the genestealer cult is part of the tyranid factions for purpose of allies or something like that? (kind of like the imperium of mankin faction)?

Ally / Faction info now available:

http://forum.spikeybits.com/showthread.php?21941-Genestealer-Cult-vs-Deathwatch-Roundup/page2

"Genestealer Cults Ally in the exact same way as Tyranids, as described in the Allies section of Warhammer 40,000: The Rules"

 Wolfstan wrote:
Nearly had me GW, then I saw the price. I still can't understand how they can produce a boxed game that is dearer than the stuff that FFG sell. Especially as FFG will have to out source their miniature production.

Lol no. I've just ordered Deathwatch Overkill for almost the same price that I paid for Star Wars Armada starter initialy ($85 equivalent)

3 prepainted plastic ships and eleventy sixty tokens vs 50 plastic guys, even taking into account that Armada was expensive here and Deathwatch seems quite cheap vs USA for example, still GW Box seems to be a far better deal.

To compare haribo minis from typical FFG boardgame with glorious polystyrene is absurd, not to mention that GW tiles and components tend to be top notch as well. I love FFG man and despise GW lately but credit where it's due etc, stay real man.

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This means Tyranid faction in the ally matrix?

 Ambience 327 wrote:
Ally / Faction info now available:

http://forum.spikeybits.com/showthread.php?21941-Genestealer-Cult-vs-Deathwatch-Roundup/page2

"Genestealer Cults Ally in the exact same way as Tyranids, as described in the Allies section of Warhammer 40,000: The Rules"

well could they have made this more confusing it they tried?

option 1: just like tyranids they basically can't ally with anybody

option 2 (what i'd guess is the intent): they can ally with tyranids

 Ambience 327 wrote:

"Genestealer Cults Ally in the exact same way as Tyranids, as described in the Allies section of Warhammer 40,000: The Rules"

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Bugger.

 TheWaspinator wrote:

Plumbumbarum wrote:
Ordered one for $85 equivalent, seems to be a nice and cheap little game.

Where did you order from?

A shop in Poland, PM me if somehow still interested.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 Ambience 327 wrote:
Ally / Faction info now available:

http://forum.spikeybits.com/showthread.php?21941-Genestealer-Cult-vs-Deathwatch-Roundup/page2

"Genestealer Cults Ally in the exact same way as Tyranids, as described in the Allies section of Warhammer 40,000: The Rules"

well could they have made this more confusing it they tried?

option 1: just like tyranids they basically can't ally with anybody

option 2 (what i'd guess is the intent): they can ally with tyranids

My less emotive response is this too, 'just like tyranids' is ambiguous

Why is this page cut into pieces? Is it to provoke discussions? In case of the Deathwatch rules the text above was helping to understand the rules better...

It means they are Battle Brother with Tyranids. Otherwise they would just say Genestealer Cults are Come the Apocalypse with everyone except with themselves.

 CT GAMER wrote:


GSC begs to be played in Zone Mortalis, city fight, etc. and they will look damn cool doing it.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Yeah, if I bought thisbox, it'd be for small points value games in very congested urban terrain. Halfway between Kill Team and 40k (more like force size from 2nd edition).

Or a larger game of Necromunda...

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To me, "just like tyranids" means battle bros - and I realize it's not RAW, but is RAI.

It is RAW. Same as Dark Angels allying with Sisters of Battle under the Imperium of Mankind header.

Yeah, I can't think of a more confusing way to write that... I would also guess it means BB with Nids, but really the wording could go either way.

 Swara wrote:
To me, "just like tyranids" means battle bros - and I realize it's not RAW, but is RAI.

According the the allies matrix it is RAW.

 reaverX wrote:

 Swara wrote:
To me, "just like tyranids" means battle bros - and I realize it's not RAW, but is RAI.

According the the allies matrix it is RAW.

The allies matrix for nids is battle bros with nids and doesn't have info on how it allies with genestealer cults. If genestealer cults ally in the exact same way, does that mean genestealer cults ally as battle bros with nids but can't ally with themselves/are come the apoc with themselves? (this would actually be kinda funny fluff whise, like 2 cults can never work together or something). But I have to agree, this is the worst possible way to word this. They could have just shown a new row of the ally matrix in the white dwarf for genestealer cults...

I'm still wondering how the hell that guy got a Bonesword.

Fluff wise, a Grey Knight Nemesis force sword would be easier to acquire.

 M0ff3l wrote:

 reaverX wrote:

 Swara wrote:
To me, "just like tyranids" means battle bros - and I realize it's not RAW, but is RAI.

According the the allies matrix it is RAW.

The allies matrix for nids is battle bros with nids and doesn't have info on how it allies with genestealer cults. If genestealer cults ally in the exact same way, does that mean genestealer cults ally as battle bros with nids but can't ally with themselves/are come the apoc with themselves? (this would actually be kinda funny fluff whise, like 2 cults can never work together or something). But I have to agree, this is the worst possible way to word this. They could have just shown a new row of the ally matrix in the white dwarf for genestealer cults...

I'm assuming ( we know where that gets you ) that since they "ally in the exact same way as Tyranids" they would have to be battle bros seeing as how Tyranids are battle bros with Tyranids.

 Tyran wrote:
I'm still wondering how the hell that guy got a Bonesword.

Fluff wise, a Grey Knight Nemesis force sword would be easier to acquire.

I'm guessing its using bones of his dead minion fashioned into a blade

Also no abborent rules??

 Tyran wrote:
I'm still wondering how the hell that guy got a Bonesword.

Fluff wise, a Grey Knight Nemesis force sword would be easier to acquire.

could be the patriarch brought it with him/her/it, could be the patriarch can grow/secrete them slowly?

Come t think of it, the current WD mentions about using them with Nids, so this is just a confusing way of saying that.

migooo wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
I'm still wondering how the hell that guy got a Bonesword.

Fluff wise, a Grey Knight Nemesis force sword would be easier to acquire.

I'm guessing its using bones of his dead minion fashioned into a blade

Also no abborent rules??

Check page 65.

Fook me GW couldn't have written that more confusingly.

Couldn't they just say 'are battle brothers with Tyranids'?

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Yeah, if I bought thisbox, it'd be for small points value games in very congested urban terrain. Halfway between Kill Team and 40k (more like force size from 2nd edition).

Seriously people, Tactical Strike rules, HH Book 3, get 'em.

We better wait for a scan of the entire page for a final conclusion.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Yeah, if I bought thisbox, it'd be for small points value games in very congested urban terrain. Halfway between Kill Team and 40k (more like force size from 2nd edition).

Seriously people, Tactical Strike rules, HH Book 3, get 'em.

Book 3 you say? Dare I hope that has salamander rules?

I'm waiting for white Scars but ...

Am I right in thinking the Aberrants with the picks get an extra attack (because of their claws) and the Aberrants with the hammers do not?

 dan2026 wrote:
Am I right in thinking the Aberrants with the picks get an extra attack (because of their claws) and the Aberrants with the hammers do not?

This is correct!

migooo wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Yeah, if I bought thisbox, it'd be for small points value games in very congested urban terrain. Halfway between Kill Team and 40k (more like force size from 2nd edition).

Seriously people, Tactical Strike rules, HH Book 3, get 'em.

Book 3 you say? Dare I hope that has salamander rules?

I'm waiting for white Scars but ...

Sally rules are book 2, but you're probably best just waiting for the latest version of the Legion rules "Red Book" if that's what you're after, it's less than half the price of the core books and will cover all the Legions we've seen to date. Unfortunately FW have chosen not to release the Tactical Strike rules on their own, but if you can get access to book 3 in some way do so, best way to get into the Heresy IMO, and they work fine with 40K armies as well.

Warhams-77 wrote:
We better wait for a scan of the entire page for a final conclusion.

No, we had better not.
There is nothing else on that page about it, much like the Deathwatch side.
It is what it is, and it is fairly clear.
In the last WD it even talked about using them with Nids.
Some people just refuse to accept until someone slaps them in the face something.