Age of Sigmar News & Rumours - Stormcast Cavalry, Heraldor + Battletome

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**Azreal13**

I think you need to adjust your snark detector old boy...

**jonolikespie**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
jonolikespie wrote:
He's 2 sprues in a clam pack, of course he is more expensive. Just like Skarr Bloodwrath, remember him, the first 2 sprue plastic character we saw which was the justification of him costing $50 when the other plastic character were in the twenties a year ago...

Sorry, are you attempting to justify its $70 price cost by comparing it to something similar that costs twenty dollars less?

No, I'm making fun of GW's "logic"

**Kilkrazy**

455_PWR wrote:
I personally like the new archaon's chaos knight models. They have a ton of character, are very well sculpted, and look to be a blast to paint. I am also a fan of the new archaon model itself (although the old model is the best model GW has made for all it's ranges).

In reality the only thing I am not a fan of are the new mortal models for the khorne range.

My AOS armies are very small (40-60 wounds max, 1 monster max, 1-3 heros). With the demise of WHFB, gobs of troops and elite troops are cheap. This makes purchases like this set not as painful as I only plan to pick up one set ever.

And if you use ebay, you can find them for $80 or less

That will work for GW as long as either people end up spending as much on a small AoS army as on a large WHFB army, or if lots more people play AoS than played WHFB.

**gigasnail**

i buy them for bits for my chaos and blood angels. i am the worst enabler. i'd buy the new knights (i chopped up some of the old ones for my bikers, man that kit was a bits goldmine) but the pricetag is a leeeeettttle steep right now.

**Aerethan**

For what it's worth, I thumbed through the Everchosen book tonight before putting it on the shelves after closing my shop tonight.

They have basically retconned his entire origin and back story as "myth". All the stories of how he got his armor, his horse, rose to power, and all of it. Gone. He's existed for thousands of years, terrorizing the "realms". In 5 minutes it made me drop any last shred of interest I had in AoS.

**ImAGeek**

Aerethan wrote:
For what it's worth, I thumbed through the Everchosen book tonight before putting it on the shelves after closing my shop tonight.

They have basically retconned his entire origin and back story as "myth". All the stories of how he got his armor, his horse, rose to power, and all of it. Gone. He's existed for thousands of years, terrorizing the "realms". In 5 minutes it made me drop any last shred of interest I had in AoS.

Why? Surely that story is just a myth now. It doesn't mean it didn't happen that way, but all that was a long time ago and in a completely different world really, it would be a myth to people now.

**Mymearan**

The entirety of the old world is a myth by this point, several thousand years later... Obviously archaon would be as well. The Trojan war is a myth but it still happened,

**Kilkrazy**

The Realms have existed for 2,000 years since the Olde Worlde was blown up, and it is highly unlikely any previous culture and history would have survived so long, particularly given a state of war has existed more or less continuously throughout that time, except in the places where Chaos won and enslaved everyone.

**NAVARRO**

So let me get this... the new Varanguard are pricey, like 20 per mounted mini and this one is even more expensive? Hummm Again no impulse buy from me. At this rate in just a few couple weeks time we are going to see 30quid for 32mms...

**coldgaming**

I'm guessing this model was part of the Tzeentch releases to come, but they wanted to make an Everchosen battle tome with more than 2 units so included him in there. He's too similar to the other Tzeentch wizards on discs for me to be excited. He's a better model than those resin ones though, and I always appreciate more plastic kits.

Edit: Find it interesting on one of the pictures of the daemons bundle they have Bloodletters on 32mm bases while the other daemons on 25s.

**LeCacty**

I'm sorry it's one model. It's simply not worth that.

**Bottle**

Kilkrazy wrote:
The Realms have existed for 2,000 years since the Olde Worlde was blown up, and it is highly unlikely any previous culture and history would have survived so long, particularly given a state of war has existed more or less continuously throughout that time, except in the places where Chaos won and enslaved everyone.

Where do you get this 2000 years figure you always mention? In all the background I have read we have no idea how long the Age of Myth and subsequent Age of Chaos lasted. Could be 2,000 years, could be 40,000 years for all we know right?

**Da Boss**

Was in the FLGS today looking around. Spotted a box of those knights on the table.

Eighty friggin' euro, for three dudes.

No way! Not happening. Especially given they'll be out of scale with my existing chaos cavalry.

Swing and a miss, GW.

**GraywarTS**

That is a cool looking model, not really my style.

Whats up with all the chaos helms becoming so mutated that they are just part of the head?
Even with the new vanguard chaos knights, I sure do miss the days when GW gave options on bits....Egads... I just checked the price.

Pass...

**Kilkrazy**

Bottle wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:
The Realms have existed for 2,000 years since the Olde Worlde was blown up, and it is highly unlikely any previous culture and history would have survived so long, particularly given a state of war has existed more or less continuously throughout that time, except in the places where Chaos won and enslaved everyone.

Where do you get this 2000 years figure you always mention? In all the background I have read we have no idea how long the Age of Myth and subsequent Age of Chaos lasted. Could be 2,000 years, could be 40,000 years for all we know right?

It's what I've read in people's comments on DakkaDakka, but if you want it to be 40,000 years, that's equally valid and makes my point even more realistic.

**BorderCountess**

Kilkrazy wrote:
Bottle wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:
The Realms have existed for 2,000 years since the Olde Worlde was blown up, and it is highly unlikely any previous culture and history would have survived so long, particularly given a state of war has existed more or less continuously throughout that time, except in the places where Chaos won and enslaved everyone.

Where do you get this 2000 years figure you always mention? In all the background I have read we have no idea how long the Age of Myth and subsequent Age of Chaos lasted. Could be 2,000 years, could be 40,000 years for all we know right?

It's what I've read in people's comments on DakkaDakka, but if you want it to be 40,000 years, that's equally valid and makes my point even more realistic.

Actually, didn't Sigmar float in the darkness for 'centuries' before he met some old dragon god, and THEN forged the Mortal Realms? And from then it's been thousands of years?

But yeah, since only a handful of beings from the World-That-Was are still around (Sigmar, Nagash, Tyrion, etc...), anything that happened in that world's history would be myth, at best. Archaon's quests would totally fall into that category, if anyone even talks about them at all.

On a side note: didn't Grimgor destroy the Eye of Sheerian?

**Bottle**

Kilkrazy wrote:
Bottle wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:
The Realms have existed for 2,000 years since the Olde Worlde was blown up, and it is highly unlikely any previous culture and history would have survived so long, particularly given a state of war has existed more or less continuously throughout that time, except in the places where Chaos won and enslaved everyone.

Where do you get this 2000 years figure you always mention? In all the background I have read we have no idea how long the Age of Myth and subsequent Age of Chaos lasted. Could be 2,000 years, could be 40,000 years for all we know right?

It's what I've read in people's comments on DakkaDakka, but if you want it to be 40,000 years, that's equally valid and makes my point even more realistic.

You're the only person who I have seen mention this 2,000 years idea, I don't think it's right. I know I am totally being pedantic, and you're right in that it doesn't detract from your original point.

**AegisGrimm**

My wife and I just saw the Knights in the flesh at a shop today, and she was thoroughly unimpressed that they were the same price as Nagash, who is huge.

(But then she was also pretty dumbfounded that that some of the newer clampack plastic figures are the same size figure and sprue as the clampack plastic chaos sorceror, but twice the price, though that's off topic for all of this.)

**Formosa**

Wow, fantasy was expensive, this is insanely expensive, how is this supposed to replace fantasy. It feels like I'm expected to pay the same amount for a large army but fewer models?

**Zognob Gorgoff**

Love the Wizard but find the rules are lacking to say the least, 6+ sv to projectiles n monsters?! He'd be dead as soon as hes in range, that and his fancy spell is only 9 inch? And with it rolling against bravery good luck ever getting a good hit with it.

**ImAGeek**

AegisGrimm wrote:
My wife and I just saw the Knights in the flesh at a shop today, and she was thoroughly unimpressed that they were the same price as Nagash, who is huge.

(But then she was also pretty dumbfounded that that some of the newer clampack plastic figures are the same size figure and sprue as the clampack plastic chaos sorceror, but twice the price, though that's off topic for all of this.)

He's not, he has twice the sprues, and is probably about twice as tall too.

Oh sorry, I thought you were talking specifically about the new chaos sorcerer thing. In that case I agree yeah. The clampack models have rocketed up in price considering what, 3 years ago? They were£9, and now they're £18-20 ish.

**wuestenfux**

Why there are no 40k rules for the Gaunt Summoner?

**angelofvengeance**

wuestenfux wrote:
Why there are no 40k rules for the Gaunt Summoner?

Cause... It's not a 40K model lol.

**NAVARRO**

AegisGrimm wrote:
My wife and I just saw the Knights in the flesh at a shop today, and she was thoroughly unimpressed that they were the same price as Nagash, who is huge.

(But then she was also pretty dumbfounded that that some of the newer clampack plastic figures are the same size figure and sprue as the clampack plastic chaos sorceror, but twice the price, though that's off topic for all of this.)

New blisters are more expensive than some WFB regiment boxes so yes its getting really weird.

**coldgaming**

This guy is the same price as the resin Tzeentch guys on disc, and is a much better model and in plastic. Like anyone, I want to pay less for everything, but I'm not sure what the surprise is here. It's in line with old releases, nothing new.

**NAVARRO**

coldgaming wrote:
This guy is the same price as the resin Tzeentch guys on disc, and is a much better model and in plastic. Like anyone, I want to pay less for everything, but I'm not sure what the surprise is here. It's in line with old releases, nothing new.

Well metal units were getting really expensive back in the day due to the argument that raw material was also expensive too so they replaced with finecast resin that was aimed for ( god knows who) retaining most of the time the same high price tag and sometimes IIRC some slight price drop... to say that a plastic miniature is at the same price of those is like admitting that plastic got really expensive?

**Azreal13**

Nearly all the costs of a plastic model are front loaded. That GW price them so high suggests they don't believe they'll sell enough or be around long enough to recoup those costs by selling them at a lower price.

This, to an extent, is fair enough on character models, inevitably they'll sell in fewer numbers, the flaw in the thinking here is GW's stubborn adherence to their desire to make everything plastic, whether it's the most economic thing for their customers or not.

**jonolikespie**

coldgaming wrote:
This guy is the same price as the resin Tzeentch guys on disc, and is a much better model and in plastic. Like anyone, I want to pay less for everything, but I'm not sure what the surprise is here. It's in line with old releases, nothing new.

Because plastic, as a material, has always been the cheaper alternative in the industry to metal or resin because when you are mass producing something the larger upfront investment is offset by the insanely cheaper material costs and ease of physically casting.

**GraywarTS**

wuestenfux wrote:
Why there are no 40k rules for the Gaunt Summoner?

It would cause too much sense on GW part; their little minds would explode at the thought of not captivating as much currency as possible.

Coming soon:
Gaunt Summoner 40k Codex, $60, $100 for the limited edition, $59.99 for the digital download.

**AlexHolker**

coldgaming wrote:
This guy is the same price as the resin Tzeentch guys on disc, and is a much better model and in plastic. Like anyone, I want to pay less for everything, but I'm not sure what the surprise is here. It's in line with old releases, nothing new.

Metal was more expensive than plastic.
Finecast was more expensive than metal.
Plastic should be way less expensive than Finecast, not the same price.