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Inquisitorial Keeper of the Xenobanks





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Hi, I just put the link here:
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/12/chaos-marine-rumors-mega-dump.html
As usual with BOLS, it is not very reliable, maybe I shouldn't post it...

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/12/05 18:38:41


   
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Any chance of a copy and paste for those of us who do not want to sully our browsers with BOLS?

   
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Of course, sir, just let me go to my pc^^

Here it is:

From the notes of a friend who is close to the process and has seen the new codex. It was in a secure environment, so no pics, sorry:
179 pages, 7 New Kits judging from the photos
New Chaos Lord/Sorcerer in Power Armour
Plague Wardens/Corvidae Sorcerer Coven
Blissriders
Blood Brethren/Khorne Berzerkers
New Obliterators/Mutilators
New Havocs/Chosen
New Units:
Plague Wardens – look like plague marine terminators on centurion bases. Armed with either Heavy Bolters with Fleshbane Ammo or Heavy Flamers. CCWs are Deathsycthes (Power Axes with Two Handed and Rampage). Otherwise like Plague Marine Terminators but with two Wounds. Elites.
Corvidae Sorcerer Coven – Brotherhood of Sorcerers Terminators with lots of Thousand Sons iconography. They roll on the Divination, Daemonology and Tzeentch Powers (which are a combo of witchfires and mutations), and have a Mastery Level depending on their unit size (+1 per 3 models). Also have Inferno Bolts on their Combi-Bolters plus Force Weapons. Can take Combi-Weapons. Elites.
Blissriders – Noise Marines on Steeds of Slaanesh. Kinda like Thunderwolves but not as much of a rock. Very fighty with above average WS, A, and two Wounds. Armed with Power Weapons or Power Whips and Doom Sirens. Outflank and Acute Senses. Elites.
Blood Brethren – Khorne Berzerker Champions with Fleshmetal and a variety of unique Power Weapons (like Chosen but with higher WS). Seems similar to Honor Guard from Space Marines. They can exchange their Bolt Pistol for a Plasma Pistol, Hand Flamer, or Inferno Pistol at cost. Elites.

The Champions of Chaos rule has been reworked a bit. You still must accept/issue challenges, but the Boon Table has changed to be based on a 2D6.
2. Spawndom – pass a leadership check or become a Chaos Spawn
3. Adamantine Fists – model gains the Smash rule until the end of the players next turn
4. Fluid Strikes – model rerolls failed rolls to Hit until the end of the players next turn
5. Flurry of Blades – model gains +D3 attacks until the end of the players next turn
6. Diamond Skin – model gains +1 Toughness until the end of the players next turn
7. Unworthy Offering – Nothing
8. Daemonic Resurgence – model gains +1 Strength until the end of the players next turn
9. Rapid Regeneration – model gains Feel No Pain (4+) until end of players next turn
10. Cosmic Fate – model rerolls failed saving throws until end of players next turn
11. Viscerial Blows – model gains the Fleshbane rule until the end of the players next turn
12. Dark Apotheosis – pass a leadership check to become a Daemon Prince

Notable Codex Changes: (not comprehensive)
Numerous point cost adjustments. Chaos Vindicators, Chaos Predators, and Helbrutes can be taken in units of 1-3 with similar benefits to the loyalist versions. Helbrutes have their attacks characteristic normalized with Vanilla Marines, and in full units of 3 gain the Deep Strike rule and go into a rage every turn (similar to the Mayhem Pack in the dataslate). Maulerfiends and Forgefiends can also be taken in units of 1-3 and gain +1 WS and +1 BS respectively at full size. Mutilators are now Heavy Support.
Marks of Chaos are broadly the same apart from cost changes, but Mark of Tzeentch now gives a +5 Invulnerable save and three of them have the following additional benefits:
*** Psykers with the Mark of Nurgle, Mark of Slaanesh, or Mark of Tzeentch may roll up to half their powers on their respective table, and manifest warp charge for powers on that table on a 3+.

Apart from the models the rules have been adjusted considerably. All Chaos Marines (Chosen, Possessed, Raptors, Havocs, Oblids, etc), Helbrutes and Daemon Princes (not Chaos Spawn and Cultists) now have the Chaos Allegiance rule. Each unit individually picks an allegiance, so unlike Chapter Tactics your army can have units with many different allegiances in the same detachment. The only restrictions are that you must have one unit of Troops with the same allegiance as your Warlord (Formations excepted) and both units lose all benefits if you join another unit without the same allegiance.
*** Note: Khorne Berzerkers, Noise Marines, Plague Marines and Rubric Marines are all Troops ***
*** Veterans of the Long War is now free, but exclusive to the Black Legion Allegiance ***
Black Legion: [Abaddon the Despoiler is Black Legion]
*** Veterans of the Long War: +1 Leadership and Hatred (Imperials).
*** Vengeful Strength: Characters gain +2 Strength in close combat.
Renegade Warband: [Huron Blackheart and Fabius Bile are Renegades]
*** Selfish Pride: Furious Charge. Can reroll failed Morale, Fear and Pinning checks.
*** Merciless Corsairs: Characters can choose to double their Attacks characteristic once per game.
World Eaters: (Mark of Khorne only, Khorne Berzerkers and Blood Brethren are always World Eaters)
[Kharn the Betrayer is World Eaters]
*** Insane Bloodlust: Add +D3” to max charge range. Automatically pass Pinning checks.
*** Fury of Khorne: Characters gain the Rampage special rule.
Emperor’s Children: (Mark of Slaanesh only, Noise Marines and Blissriders are always Emperor’s Children) [Lucius the Eternal is Emperor’s Children]
*** Martial Grace: Hit and Run. Fleet.
*** Vicious Excess: Characters gain the Rending special rule.
Death Guard: (Mark of Nurgle only, Plague Marines and Plague Wardens are always Death Guard)
[Typhus is Death Guard]
*** Diseased Bulk: Immune to the Poisoned special rule. Automatically pass Fear checks.
*** Plague Arsenal: Flamers, Heavy Flamers, Frag Missiles and Grenades have Poisoned and Rending.
*** Aura of Decay: Characters cause enemy models in base contact to suffer -1 Attack (to min of 1).
Thousand Sons: (Mark of Tzeentch only, Rubric Marines and Corvidaes Covens are always Thousand Sons)
[Ahriman is Thousand Sons]
*** Favoured of the Deciever: You may reroll Invulnerable save results of 1.
*** Infernal Armory: Heavy Bolters, Reaper Autocannons and Autocannons have Inferno Bolts.
*** Sorcerous Premonitions: Characters can reroll a single to hit, to wound, saving throw or manifesting die once per game turn.
Alpha Legion:
*** Coils of the Hydra: Infiltrate. Alpha Legion characters may always join units of Cultists prior to deployment.
*** Headhunters: Characters have Acute Senses and can bestow the Sniper rule upon a friendly Alpha Legion unit’s Bolters/Combi-Bolters if they are within 6” during the Shooting phase, provided that friendly unit hasn’t moved.
Iron Warriors:
*** Siegemasters: Tank Hunters.
*** Shredder Bolts: Heavy Bolters, Frag Grenades and Frag Missiles have the Shred special rule.
*** Iron within Iron Without: Characters gain the Feel No Pain rule. Warpsmiths have +1 to repair rolls on friendly vehicles.
Night Lords:
*** Murderous Talents: Reroll 1s to Wound in Close Combat. Lightning Claws have the Rending rule.
*** Lords of Terror: Stealth and Fear.
*** Gutter Fighters: Characters cause Instant Death on a wound roll of 6 in Close Combat.
Word Bearers:
*** Blessed by the Gods: Units get to roll on the Boon Table whenever they kill an enemy unit in close combat, with all models benefiting from the result (reroll Spawndom and Dark Apotheosis). In addition, psykers count as Daemons for the purposes of using Malefic Daemonology powers.
*** Fanatical Devotion: Characters gain the Zealot special rule, and if they are a Dark Apostle they grant their unit +1 Attack.

Formations are, unsurprisingly, organized into a greater detachment that includes a collection of smaller ones.
Black Crusade Detachment: (1+ Core, 1-10 Auxiliary, 0-3 Exalted Champions)
*** Lord of the Black Crusade: Your Warlord can roll for a second warlord trait, rerolling any duplicates.
*** Dark Ascension: Characters in this detachment make a free roll on the Boon table at the start of the game, rerolling any results of Spawndom or Dark Apotheosis. The result of this roll applies for the rest of the game.
Chaos Marine Warband [Core – must all have same Chaos Allegiance]: 1 Chaos Lord, Chaos Sorcerer or Daemon Prince, 3-10 Chaos Marines, 0-2 Helbrutes, 2-5 Raptors, Chaos Bikers or Havocs.
*** Stubborn.
*** Idols of the Gods: Units that are taken at maximum squad size can take an Icon of Chaos for free.
*** Malefic Barrage: Once per game, each unit in this detachment can fire their ranged weapons twice.
Exalted Champions: 1 Abaddon the Despoiler, Kharn, Lucius, Typhus, Ahriman, Huron Blackheart, Fabius Bile, Chaos Lord, Chaos Sorcerer or Daemon Prince.
Dark Warpcult [Core]: 1 Dark Apostle, 3-10 Chaos Cultists, 0-2 Chaos Spawns.
*** True Believers: Cultists in this formation are Fearless so long as the Dark Apostle is alive.
*** Mutated Beyond Recognition: Chaos Spawns may reroll their random Mutation and Attack rolls.
Khornate Butcherhorde [Core]: 1 Chaos Lord (World Eaters) or Kharn, 2-8 Khorne Berzerkers, 1-4 Khorne Blood Brethren.
*** Hammer of Wraith.
*** All Out Assault: Units in this formation can declare a charge after disembarking from a non-Assault vehicle, but must take a dangerous terrain check if they choose to do so.
*** Reckless Rampage: Units in this formation count their +D3” to charge range as +3” instead.
Plaguehost of the Reaper [Core]: 1 Chaos Lord (Death Guard) or Typhus, 2-7 Plague Marines, 1-3 Plague Wardens.
*** Noxious Cloud: Enemy models within 6” of a unit in this formation suffer -1 WS and -1 BS unless they are a Daemon of Nurgle or have a Mark of Nurgle.
*** Lethal Toxins: Poisoned Weapons wielded by models in this formation are Poisoned (3+).
Symphony of Depravity [Core]: 1 Chaos Lord (Emperor’s Children) or Lucius, 2-6 Noise Marines, 1-3 Blissriders.
*** Move Through Cover.
*** Orchestra of Death: Units in this formation can overcharge their Sonic Weapons during their Shooting Phase, firing 1 additional shot from their Sonic Blasters, Doom Sirens, and Blastmasters. Any sonic weapons fired in this way gain the Get’s Hot! special rule.
*** Combat Drugs: Units in this formation reroll failed to Hit rolls on a turn they charge into combat.
Brotherhood of Dust [Core]: 1 Chaos Sorcerer (Thousand Sons) or Ahriman, 2-9 Rubric Marines, 1-4 Corvidae Sorcerer Covens.
*** Warpfire Inferno: Inferno Bolts fired by models in this formation gain the Ignores Cover special rule.
*** Locus of Power: Psykers in this formation can reroll failed attempts to manifest Warp Charge.
Firstborn Champions of Chaos [Auxiliary – must all have same Chaos Allegiance]: 1-3 Chaos Chosen, 1-3 Chaos Terminators.
*** Fearless
*** Millennia of War: Chose a codex before deployment and inform your opponent of your choice. Units in this formation have the Preferred Enemy rule against that codex.
*** Slay the Mighty: Monster Hunters. Characters in this formation reroll failed to Hit rolls in challenges.
Daemonkin Warpack [Auxiliary – must all have same Chaos Allegiance]: 2-6 Possessed Marines, Warp Talons, or Mutilators.
*** Apex Predators: Units in this formation have Weapon Skill 5. Possessed Marines may reroll their Mutation table results.
*** From Beyond the Veil: Warp Talons and Mutilators in this formation may assault on the turn they arrive from Deep Strike.
Cult of Ruination [Auxiliary – must all have same Chaos Allegiance]: 1 Warpsmith, 2-6 Defiler, Forgefiends, Maulerfiends or Helbrutes, 0-2 Heldrake, 0-2 Obliderators.
*** Dark Sustenance: Units in this formation gain the It Will Not Die special rule. Units that already have this rule will instead pass their rolls on a (4+)
*** Biomechanical Guidance: One Unit from this formation within 12” of the Warpsmith can choose to use his WS and BS characteristics at the beginning of the owning player’s turn, lasting until the start of that player’s next game turn.
Decimator Armoured Spearhead [Auxiliary]: 2-3 Chaos Predators or Chaos Vindicators, 0-2 Chaos Land Raider
*** Infernal Spirits: Units in this formation gain the Power of the Machine Spirit special rule while within 6” of another unit from this formation.
*** Mutated Hulls: Units in this formation have Extra Armour for free.

WOW – That’s a LOT to dig through. Have the Chaos Marine Player’s Prayers been answered? If these turn out to be true – it’s a good start. But again – these are rumors so take them with a pinch mound MINE of salt.
It may have been the Summer of Sigmar – But the Winter belongs to CHAOS!

   
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BOLS is a big dump, all right.

The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins. 
   
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Thank you kind sir.

   
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No legion rules?



Also, check out my history blog: Minimum Wage Historian, a fun place to check out history that often falls between the couch cushions. 
   
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CSM will never get legion rules.

edit- Also, taking a look at these rumors. LOL! No subtlety to these lies at all. 7 new kits? 4 new units? Why do people even bother making up these lies? Like, someone LITERALLY sat there and made a conscious decision to make up a bunch of gak and post it as a rumor on a website.

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France

Chaos allegiances rules look like legion rules to me, doesn't it ?

   
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If true this shows some crappy GW nomenclature again. Cotta squeeze the word "Blood" into the new Khorne unit's name somewhere.


Games Workshop Delenda Est.

Users on ignore- 53.

If you break apart my or anyone else's posts line by line I will not read them. 
   
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 godardc wrote:
Chaos allegiances rules look like legion rules to me, doesn't it ?

Not really.



Also, check out my history blog: Minimum Wage Historian, a fun place to check out history that often falls between the couch cushions. 
   
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I keep hearing this is fake. Which is disappointing.
   
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I don't believe a word about those Plague Terminators. I'm calling shenanigans.

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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JuniorRS13 wrote:
I keep hearing this is fake. Which is disappointing.

I've also heard its fake but seen no source. A commenter mentioned this was all posted here earlier at some point and taken down. IE proven fake but I wasn't here to see if it did happen.
   
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Pics or it ain't real.

As the saying goes: If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

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The reason it's probably fake is because statistically speaking uncredited BOLS rumours usually are..

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The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.

The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox

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Gathering the Informations.

Statistically speaking, posters here on Dakka who make off the cuff jokes have a better accuracy than uncredited BoLS rumors.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
Statistically speaking, posters here on Dakka who make off the cuff jokes have a better accuracy than uncredited BoLS rumors.

I wish that wasn't true....but it is.



Also, check out my history blog: Minimum Wage Historian, a fun place to check out history that often falls between the couch cushions. 
   
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Gathering the Informations.

 MWHistorian wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Statistically speaking, posters here on Dakka who make off the cuff jokes have a better accuracy than uncredited BoLS rumors.

I wish that wasn't true....but it is.

In the spirit of my statement, I'm going to do so and we'll see if it comes true:

The Deathwatch versus Tyranids game will feature a NEW blister packed Space Marine Captain with no weapon options but will have a really swishy cloak. He'll also have one shoulderpad as Deathwatch-ified Crux Terminatus and the other as blank. Nothing about him will tie to any one Chapter, but he will be described in the fluff for the game as being an Iron Hands Captain.

That's my contribution to the cause.
   
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Far too detailed to be true. Unless the guy has a photographic memory.

 
   
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Raleigh, NC

 Kanluwen wrote:
 MWHistorian wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Statistically speaking, posters here on Dakka who make off the cuff jokes have a better accuracy than uncredited BoLS rumors.

I wish that wasn't true....but it is.

In the spirit of my statement, I'm going to do so and we'll see if it comes true:

The Deathwatch versus Tyranids game will feature a NEW blister packed Space Marine Captain with no weapon options but will have a really swishy cloak. He'll also have one shoulderpad as Deathwatch-ified Crux Terminatus and the other as blank. Nothing about him will tie to any one Chapter, but he will be described in the fluff for the game as being an Iron Hands Captain.

That's my contribution to the cause.


I eagerly wait to see just how accurate this is. Something's telling me your accuracy rating is going to be 5x that of what see see from BOLS.
   
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whether real or not, someone's put a lot of effort in to this.
Which is why I fear they aren't true. Too much specific information.
:( wish it was true.

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So we've come full circle then. Dakka (original thread deleted, I wonder why ) -> Warseer -> BoLS -> Dakka again.

Progress is like a herd of pigs: everybody is interested in the produced benefits, but nobody wants to deal with all the resulting gak.

GW customers deserve every bit of outrageous princing they get. 
   
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I am afraid this is all untrue.
   
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Lost in a blizzard, somewhere near Toronto

The biggest thing I really want to see & hope for *IF* Chaos ever gets another release, is for a proper 7th ed update to both our basic Chaos Marine kit, and Terminator kit. Plus an actual plastic kit for both Havocs/Chosen, (easy combo kit possibilities here), and Oblit/Mutilator combo kit.

I can wait on re-done Cult troop kits honestly, as we desperately need our basic bread & butter kits, (including both the Rhino and especially the Land Raider), to get 100% re-do's, as that's the one and only way we'll ever see new special/heavy weapon options/upgrades & unique toys of our own.

 
   
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Gathering the Informations.

Sad Panda wrote:
I am afraid this is all untrue.

By Jobe, I can't believe this!

Truly Sad Panda! My monocle has popped out in utter disbelief!
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
Sad Panda wrote:
I am afraid this is all untrue.

By Jobe, I can't believe this!

Truly Sad Panda! My monocle has popped out in utter disbelief!


@Sad Panada: is there at least any indication that there's something on tap within the next year for 40k Chaos? Hell, at this point, I'd at least be happy & super giddy if we get the plastic Lord of Change for Daemons at this rate.

 
   
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Gathering the Informations.

Experiment 626 wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Sad Panda wrote:
I am afraid this is all untrue.

By Jobe, I can't believe this!

Truly Sad Panda! My monocle has popped out in utter disbelief!


@Sad Panada: is there at least any indication that there's something on tap within the next year for 40k Chaos? Hell, at this point, I'd at least be happy & super giddy if we get the plastic Lord of Change for Daemons at this rate.

And I want to know if my Guard are gonna get love(Raven and Imperial) too...

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 Kanluwen wrote:
Sad Panda wrote:
I am afraid this is all untrue.

By Jobe, I can't believe this!

Truly Sad Panda! My monocle has popped out in utter disbelief!


I do at least enjoy watching these rumors pop up here and just get butchered immediately. There's some fun in gaking on those feeling the need to lie on the internet for clicks.
   
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I was told 7th Ed. Guard are essentially done with Mont'ka. Please don't shoot the messenger.

Other armies might get a similar treatment.
   
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fething son of a bitch, getting my Hopes up...

   
 
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