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The assassins pistol states that instead of having a value for the number of shots fired, you instead add up the value of all the mastery levels of all enemy psykers in range. You then pick up that many dice. You are then allowed to add up to 3 of your own warp charge and add them to the total. That is then the number of shots fired.

I have a few questions.
1) If there is no enemy psyker in range, can you add 3 from your warp charge still in order to fire three shots. 0+3=3 mathematically. So I'd say yes, but I'm unsure.

2) does this shooting attack happen in the psychic phase or shooting phase. I'd assume shooting, but it refers to using your own warp charge. So I guess it could be psychic phase.

3) lastly, if it does refer to shooting, which I'm assuming it does, how does it work on correlation to your warp charge. Does it affect your psychic phase at all. Do you have to save 3 dice from your phase, do you have 3 less dice next phase? Or does it not effect your pool of dice in either phase. It does say that you pick them up from your pool, but you don't have a pool in the shooting phase.

Thanks for your help Dakka.

1) Correct
2) "An animus speculum is a ranged weapon that is fired in the Psychic phase instead of the Shooting phase."
3) see 2)

I completely missed that line! I don't know how. Thank you so much. That makes it much easier. And thank you for clarifying point 1.

The fact it occurs in the psychic phase is one of the awesome facts of the animus speculum, it gives you the option to target another unit in the shooting phase (or run). Note that it also says that you can target a different unit in the shooting phase than the one you used the animus speculum on.

Cheers.

I know it states that, but I thought he didn't have a different shooting attack.


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Edit: I suppose you could have him on an emplaced weapon

he also has that grenade.

In which case, is he forced to charge the unit he threw his grenade at? Or can he charge either?

He'd have to charge the unit he threw the grenade at.

If he used the Animus on another unit, doesn't he then have a choice wich ne he assaults?

or its only the shooting attack in the shooting pase that counts?

Only the shooting ohase matters for charging. Psychic phase rules cover this entirely.

Can the Culexus fire the Animus Speculum while Locked in Combat? Page 47 says "Units that are locked in combat cannot ... shoot in the Shooting phase."

I know this feels like a stretch, but that seems specific. Is there another rule preventing shooting in the Psychic phase while Locked in Combat? It's not a Witchfire.

Technically, then, no, he can keep shooting.

Witchfires are banned from use whilst in combat, and he cannot shoot in the shooting phase, but nothing stops you making shooting attacks in the psychic phase.

That's....kind of hideous, actually.

What does the Culexus fire at?

in the assault rules, under locked in combat:
"models cannot shoot at units locked in close combat"

assuming that you can only assault against units that you shoot, it follows that you would only be able to shoot the units that you are in combat with that you cant shoot at because they are locked in cc.

nice thought though.

 Grey Knight Luke wrote:
What does the Culexus fire at?

in the assault rules, under locked in combat:
"models cannot shoot at units locked in close combat"

assuming that you can only assault against units that you shoot, it follows that you would only be able to shoot the units that you are in combat with that you cant shoot at because they are locked in cc.

nice thought though.

Except it has already been covered that the animus shooting is not shooting phase and doesn't dictate who you can assault or not, in addition to the fact that you're already there.

 niv-mizzet wrote:

 Grey Knight Luke wrote:
What does the Culexus fire at?

in the assault rules, under locked in combat:
"models cannot shoot at units locked in close combat"

assuming that you can only assault against units that you shoot, it follows that you would only be able to shoot the units that you are in combat with that you cant shoot at because they are locked in cc.

nice thought though.

Except it has already been covered that the animus shooting is not shooting phase and doesn't dictate who you can assault or not, in addition to the fact that you're already there.

Yeah my point is not that he cannot shoot, just that he cannot target anything.

Im expanding on that... in the shooting phase "who can shoot?" it says "their unit is locked in combat with the foe"

The Animus Speculum says, it is a ranged weapon that is fired in the psychic phase instead of the shooting phase meaning it uses the same rules that you would find in the shooting phase section.

If this is not the case then the psychic phase has no rules for shooting ranged weapons and thus the Animus Speculum can never be fired as there is no rules for it.

Where do the "up to 3" come from? Is the Culexus considered a psyker and rolls for warp charges? I've tried playing with him, but found this rule to be a little confusing.

Help is appreciated.

the up to thre comes from psykers in your army and the dice you roll at the begining of the phase.

 _ghost_ wrote:
the up to thre comes from psykers in your army and the dice you roll at the begining of the phase.

Ok. So, as I understand that, if there are no other psykers in your army, then you cannot add any additional dice to the pool - only those from the psychic mastery levels in your opponents army?

I only ask because I played with a guy who told me I got three additional dice for the shots. But I didn't have any other psykers in my army to pull from, so I wondered where he was getting that from.

murdoc024 wrote:

 _ghost_ wrote:
the up to thre comes from psykers in your army and the dice you roll at the begining of the phase.

Ok. So, as I understand that, if there are no other psykers in your army, then you cannot add any additional dice to the pool - only those from the psychic mastery levels in your opponents army?

I only ask because I played with a guy who told me I got three additional dice for the shots. But I didn't have any other psykers in my army to pull from, so I wondered where he was getting that from.

At the begining of the psychic phase the player rolls a d6 to determine how many pool dice he gets. He can then apply up to three of them to allow the culexus up to three additional shots.

 Grey Knight Luke wrote:
At the begining of the psychic phase the player rolls a d6 to determine how many pool dice he gets. He can then apply up to three of them to allow the culexus up to three additional shots.

which is particularly useful if you use them in(with) an army that has no psykers. Like Tau.

 Grey Knight Luke wrote:

 niv-mizzet wrote:

 Grey Knight Luke wrote:
What does the Culexus fire at?

in the assault rules, under locked in combat:
"models cannot shoot at units locked in close combat"

assuming that you can only assault against units that you shoot, it follows that you would only be able to shoot the units that you are in combat with that you cant shoot at because they are locked in cc.

nice thought though.

Except it has already been covered that the animus shooting is not shooting phase and doesn't dictate who you can assault or not, in addition to the fact that you're already there.

Yeah my point is not that he cannot shoot, just that he cannot target anything.

Im expanding on that... in the shooting phase "who can shoot?" it says "their unit is locked in combat with the foe"

The Animus Speculum says, it is a ranged weapon that is fired in the psychic phase instead of the shooting phase meaning it uses the same rules that you would find in the shooting phase section.

If this is not the case then the psychic phase has no rules for shooting ranged weapons and thus the Animus Speculum can never be fired as there is no rules for it.

The only thing you cannot do in a close combat during the Psy phase is to shoot Witchfire, wich the Animus isn't, you can effectively not shoot at a target that is locked in CC, but after a glance i din't see anything that forbids you to target something else.

the Animus is a shooting attack that is resolved outside the shooting phase just like Overwatch is, locked units are forbidden to run or Shoot in the shooting phase, nothing on the Psy phase though.

So yeah kinda hairy, but not that out of wack, its still less worse then Novas that doesn't give a feth about units locked in CC.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:

 Grey Knight Luke wrote:

 niv-mizzet wrote:

 Grey Knight Luke wrote:
What does the Culexus fire at?

in the assault rules, under locked in combat:
"models cannot shoot at units locked in close combat"

assuming that you can only assault against units that you shoot, it follows that you would only be able to shoot the units that you are in combat with that you cant shoot at because they are locked in cc.

nice thought though.

Except it has already been covered that the animus shooting is not shooting phase and doesn't dictate who you can assault or not, in addition to the fact that you're already there.

Yeah my point is not that he cannot shoot, just that he cannot target anything.

Im expanding on that... in the shooting phase "who can shoot?" it says "their unit is locked in combat with the foe"

The Animus Speculum says, it is a ranged weapon that is fired in the psychic phase instead of the shooting phase meaning it uses the same rules that you would find in the shooting phase section.

If this is not the case then the psychic phase has no rules for shooting ranged weapons and thus the Animus Speculum can never be fired as there is no rules for it.

The only thing you cannot do in a close combat during the Psy phase is to shoot Witchfire, wich the Animus isn't, you can effectively not shoot at a target that is locked in CC, but after a glance i din't see anything that forbids you to target something else.

the Animus is a shooting attack that is resolved outside the shooting phase just like Overwatch is, locked units are forbidden to run or Shoot in the shooting phase, nothing on the Psy phase though.

So yeah kinda hairy, but not that out of wack, its still less worse then Novas that doesn't give a feth about units locked in CC.

NO. Overwatch is resolved just like a normal shooting attack, go read it again.
Culexus Assassains makes an attack with the Animus just like a normal shooting attack, only it is done in the psychic phase.

In the shooting rules it says, "Who Can Shoot?"

Certain Situations can prevent a model from firing. The most common are:
Their unit is locked in combat with the foe.

Just because the shooting attack is done in the psychic phase does not mean you can ignore the rules for shooting... Literally the Culexus can not target any enemy. But here is a challenge for you, without using any of the rules in the shooting phase section, walk me through how this would work. Remember all the rules telling you how to roll dice are in there, all of the BS tables, all of it.

 Grey Knight Luke wrote:

In the shooting rules it says, "Who Can Shoot?"

Certain Situations can prevent a model from firing. The most common are:
Their unit is locked in combat with the foe.

Just after that, it says page 47. and on page 47 it says "Units that are locked in combat cannot ... shoot in the Shooting phase."

The "Who Can Shoot?" gives examples of units that may be prevented from shooting, but the rule itself is on page 47, and it's very specific about applying to the Shooting Phase.

There is a difference, between shoothing attacks and Shooting phase.

There is a few things that works like a shooting attack, outside the shooting phase.

The only thing is that some of the rules only applies during the Shooting phase, no matter that you make a shooting attack or just toss an apple.

So yeah, for the Animus you use the rules for "Shooting attacks", but in the shooting phase section where it says " units locked in combat cannot shoot or run during the Shooting phase", it only applies during the shooting phase.

Ok another way to put this.

Vector strike is threated and follow with a few exceptions the rules for melee strikes, but it happens at the end of the movement phase, although their is no rules for melee attacks in the movement phase.

Its the same thing.

axisofentropy wrote:

 Grey Knight Luke wrote:

In the shooting rules it says, "Who Can Shoot?"

Certain Situations can prevent a model from firing. The most common are:
Their unit is locked in combat with the foe.

Just after that, it says page 47. and on page 47 it says "Units that are locked in combat cannot ... shoot in the Shooting phase."

The "Who Can Shoot?" gives examples of units that may be prevented from shooting, but the rule itself is on page 47, and it's very specific about applying to the Shooting Phase.

Alright. Let's assume I buy the logic. Who can the Culexus shoot at? Clearly he can't shoot at the unit he is in cc with. If he shot at someone else would he lose his cc attacks? After all you can't shoot and assault two separate units...

You cannot make a charge move at any other unit than the one you shot at. Nothing prevents you from shooting another unti and making your close combat attacks as normal.

Well ok then. I'll never use it but I guess it is allowed RAW.