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 BrookM wrote:
Wow man, am I not entitled to my own opinion or something? Suck the fun out of everything why don't you, jerk.

I wasn't denying anyone an opinion or sucking the fun out of anything. Simply explaining that the LRBT design falls down the instant you try to apply actual logic and needs to be left in the old 40k the satire game that aimed to be as OTT and ridiculous as possible for the purposes of parody, in fact I apologise if I acted excessively hard or condensing in my replies.

You're trying to apply 'logic' to a game that has space elves, undead robots and sentient fungi

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Sisters and Inquisition. There reluctance to do either has baffled me recently because both would be hot sellers. I don't know if i'd do a full sisters army but I'd pick up at least a squad or two. And an inquisitor kit similar to the space marine captain kit would fly off shelves.

This, this, this.

Yes I am, those concepts you mentioned are fantastical, that alone does not mean that be they can somewhat logical and properly researched as well, even if it's some handwave involving very complex technology or phenomena the writers are going let the community explain. You can't explain how the LR is a practical AFV, and that is a serious problem for the more "Real worldly" faction the Guard are supposed to be.

Hugs and kisses,

SYL


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 Retrogamer0001 wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Sisters and Inquisition. There reluctance to do either has baffled me recently because both would be hot sellers. I don't know if i'd do a full sisters army but I'd pick up at least a squad or two. And an inquisitor kit similar to the space marine captain kit would fly off shelves.

This, this, this.

I agree too, the entire Inquisition is a load of opportunities GW are ignoring modelwise.

sing your life wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Wow man, am I not entitled to my own opinion or something? Suck the fun out of everything why don't you, jerk.

I wasn't denying anyone an opinion or sucking the fun out of anything. Simply explaining that the LRBT design falls down the instant you try to apply actual logic and needs to be left in the old 40k the satire game that aimed to be as OTT and ridiculous as possible for the purposes of parody, in fact I apologise if I acted excessively hard or condensing in my replies.

Thanks for the apology. The way brook describes it, is exactly how your post came across. Model design is far more about the aesthetic and the feel for me than the potential realism. I don't care a jot if it's a bad design in the real world, because 40k isn't the real world, it's barely even sci-fi. It's essentially Lord of the rings in space when you boil it down. It's a futuristic fantasy setting where the protagonists are designed to fit the setting, rather than any basis in reality. And that's why things like the Leman Russ and the Malcador Tank are perfect, it's archaic and out dated looking, precisely the kind of thing a society with little grasp of how technology works would use.

Avatar and Aspect Warriors.

I wouldn't mind more ork tanks in the style of the killbursta - not necessarily super-heavies, but there have got to be mekboyz out there who bashed something similar together. They're very uniquely ork, quite brutal looking, and while I know that looted tanks are a thing, I'd be ok with exploring the ork tank design space a little bit more.

That, and a plastic buggy kit. For the love of all that is ork, GW. Please.

Anything in the Eldar and Dark Eldar ranges that are still Finecast
Ditto anything in the Demon range

Plastic sisters.

Plastic aspect warriors.

Plastic CSM havocs.

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 Bottle wrote:
I want to add another to my original list, plastic hive city terrain.

Maybe it'll come with the necromunda reboot? #fingerscrossed

I'd be all over that. If (when)the necromunda box comes out I'll have to buy like.. Five.

I might actually love to have a Tau Battlesuit weapons kit. Give like three of each gun including AFPs and CIBs. Tau players would buy lots of these and GW could make good money off them.

A big Tyranid. Along the lines of that new huge Tau battlesuit. A reimagining of the old Dominatrix would be a good one to do. Something big and nasty.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Bottle wrote:
And the opposite, a BIG box of 20 guardsmen, one piece riflemen in various poses, maybe with a choice of heads. Just the thing to get an IG army going.

When Cadians were first released, they came in a 20 man box for about 25-30$ if I remember correctly. I bought like 8 of them when they first came out, and I'm still not done building them thanks for a few of the breaks I took in the past.

I really wish they would recut the ancient CSM Tactical Squad from the new Space Marine Tactical Squad. They could even use the Devastator kit to recut into Havocs.

I thought of a few other things I would like to see get made. I would love to see a few more Land Raider variants get made, namely the Terminus Ultra (which is all plastic parts anyway, if I remember right), Achilles (I had wanted the Thunderfire Cannon in plastic, this would use some of the same parts), and the Ares (which doesn't have a model in the first place, so it would be fun to see).

Plastic combined Obliterator/Mutilator kit, plastic Havocs, updated plastic Chaos Marines (but not make them all warped like the starter set Chosen/current Raptors). A plastic Chosen box wouldn't go astray either. Plastic Plague Marines, 1KSons Marines, Noise Marines and new Berzekers would be cool as well.

Basically fix Chaos and complete their range with non-gakky plastic/resin hybrids or full resin kits.

 sing your life wrote:
I wasn't denying anyone an opinion or sucking the fun out of anything. Simply explaining that the LRBT design falls down the instant you try to apply actual logic and needs to be left in the old 40k the satire game that aimed to be as OTT and ridiculous as possible for the purposes of parody, in fact I apologise if I acted excessively hard or condensing in my replies.

He said, about the game that has a man named Wolf Wolfborn riding a giant Wolf.

The picture that Brook put on the last page was my first exposure to the Leman Russ as well. It's what solidified 40K in my mind, as up to that point the only tanks you could buy were the Rhino, Predator, the still-very-new original Razorback and Land Raider (and they didn't even sell the Land Raider then).

The Leman Russ represented a quantum leap in GW's plastics manufacturing, and frankly the fact that it's a bad design "in real life" makes no difference. Most of the things in 40K don't make any sense and would have no practical applications (walkers, of any variety, for starters, let alone the ones that don't appear to be capable of actually walking ie. the Space Marine Angry Washing Machine), so really going into a diatribe of applying "logic" to 40K doesn't make a whole lot of sense in my mind.

Furthermore it is meant to be a take on the tanks of WWI. They were terrible. The Russ is meant to be (basically) terrible. It fits perfectly.

 -Loki- wrote:
A big Tyranid. Along the lines of that new huge Tau battlesuit. A reimagining of the old Dominatrix would be a good one to do. Something big and nasty.

That'd be awesome. Of course, it's Tyranids, so it'll still be T6 Sv3+.

I'd opt for Aspect Warriors.

I'm always worried about what plastic Aspect Warriors would look like. You couldn't do a plastic kit for each one - that's too much shelf space and product line wastage - but nor could you do a single combined kit, as Aspect warriors are not one-size fits all.

I think the best way would be:

Kit 1 - Striking Scorpions/Fire Dragons
Different arms and heads, otherwise same bodies as these two wear heavier armour than the two lighter types.

Kit 2 - Howling Banshees/Swooping Hawks
All the flying poses would work for diving/leaping Banshees, and you have different arms, heads and wing attachments for the Hawks.

Kit 3 - Dark Reapers/Warp Spiders
The heaviest looking of the Aspects, you could have the same basic body shame, and then Spinner and Reaper Launcher arms, and a big backpack thingy for the Spiders. Again, different heads.

We already have Avengers. Plastic Spears would be nice, but they missed that perfect opportunity when they released the new Jet Bike kit.

Am I forgetting any?

Could any of the Aspect Warriors be done as upgrade kits in the same way that the Space Marines Upgrade Sets for the different Chapters are done?

Which reminds me, I want Upgrade Sets for Imperial Fists (it better come with a Power Fist), Raven Guard (gimme a pair of Lightning Claws), White Scars (a Power Lance?), Salamanders (a scaled cloak or tabard and a nice Meltagun or Flamer with a dragon motif), and Iron Hands (lots of bionics). Black Templars could have one too, but they already have a plastic upgrade sprue, don't they?

 General Kroll wrote:
Model design is far more about the aesthetic and the feel for me than the potential realism. I don't care a jot if it's a bad design in the real world, because 40k isn't the real world, it's barely even sci-fi.

But the aesthetic is rubbish. Mostly because it's not realistic. Verisimilitude and all that. Jumping into the GW ga-ga school of design with both feet is how we eventually end up with Grimnar Claus.

It's essentially Lord of the rings in space when you boil it down. It's a futuristic fantasy setting where the protagonists are designed to fit the setting, rather than any basis in reality.

Oh jings. No. Just no.

And that's why things like the Leman Russ and the Malcador Tank are perfect, it's archaic and out dated looking

Archaic and outdated looking is one thing. Fisher-Price proportions and a gun barrel that looks like a couple of trash cans welded together is another thing.

And it's not just the 'interwar tank' look in which the Leman Russ is archaic. It's arguably a throwback to the chunkier proportions needed for 6mm casting (LRBT first appeared in Epic) and to GW's earlier, cruder, toylike* style of plastics - especially the vehicles.

Leman Russ needs an update.

*Yeah, yeah. They're all mandollies. Doesn't mean they need to look like Tonka trucks with gunz, though.

-Sisters of Battle
--Plastic battle sisters with sufficient special weapons to option them into a dominion squad.
--Plastic seraphim
--Plastic celestians
--All of them consistent in design to allow for some intercompatibility (bonus: positioned to sufficiently accommodate space marine weapons as well.)
--Tanks as rhino kits with upgrade sprues, all include SoB icon doors (because wishlist)
--Redesigned penitent engine as requisite big scary for the codex that was required to push this project.

-Upgrade Sprues like the days of old
--Two of every Razorback weapon that isn't included in the base kit.
--Two of every Dreadnought weapon that is not included in both of the main dreadnought kits.
--Two of every crisis suit weapon (one CIB, one ABFL)
--Five of every heavy weapon and related backpack, compatable with any space marine torso.
--Etc.

-Special Edition Limited Run Mono-Pose
--White Dwarf subscription bonuses, PoD even.
--Recreations of characters from specific art pieces, updated to a new standard of detail and proportion.
--Sister Sin
--Calgar on his Ultrathrone
--Captain Smallhead from the old Blood Angels codex
--Obi-Wan Sherlock Cluseau
--Johnny and his friend the bolter magazine
--Many more!

 Captain Joystick wrote:
-Upgrade Sprues like the days of old
--Two of every Razorback weapon that isn't included in the base kit.
--Two of every Dreadnought weapon that is not included in both of the main dreadnought kits.
--Two of every crisis suit weapon (one CIB, one ABFL)
--Five of every heavy weapon and related backpack, compatable with any space marine torso.
--Etc.

Like the days of old? When in the days of old did we have upgrade sprues like those?

You know what, I want a frickin' remake of Captain Cortez, damnit! Make him up in plastic! I would even be okay if they made it so the Imperial Fists Upgrade Kit ended up giving you the stuff needed to make Captain Cortez. And then bring him back in the fluff.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Black Templars could have one too, but they already have a plastic upgrade sprue, don't they?

They do, but the detail is pretty poor. Not only that but they require a little bit of work to be compatible with the new Tactical Squad box. (The nubs on the inside of the new torsos are the opposite to the ones on the BT torso fronts, and the poses of some of the new legs don't allow the torsos with tablards to sit on them properly)

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Black Templars could have one too, but they already have a plastic upgrade sprue, don't they?

They do, but the detail is pretty poor. Not only that but they require a little bit of work to be compatible with the new Tactical Squad box. (The nubs on the inside of the new torsos are the opposite to the ones on the BT torso fronts, and the poses of some of the new legs don't allow the torsos with tablards to sit on them properly)

Yeah, that is what I feared. I suppose the Dark Angels Upgrade Sprue suffers the same problems. Either they could recut the Black Templars sprue to function properly with the new kits, or they could just make a new one. I don't think a sprue as small as the ones that have come out for Ultras/Bangles/Dangles/Wolves would really cut it, though.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Like the days of old? When in the days of old did we have upgrade sprues like those?

Why, those halcyon days of yesteryear that people pine for, where you can say any crazy idea and claim that's how things used to be!

OK, I started writing about how you should be able to buy a rhino and get the predator or whirlwind sprue separately, like how the old metal broadside or Tau commander parts used to be. Then ended off going on a completely different tangent. Whoops.

Plastic Aspect Warriors would be great indeed



And some nice Dark Angels character models - making use of the possibilites of GW's plastic manufacturing - based on these old artworks (Dave Gallagher, ~2005)

Aspect Warriors ...

Well, I think you could pair up Dire Avengers and Fire Dragons, Striking Scorpions and Warp Spiders and Swooping Hawks and Howling Banshees (although in the case of those last two, the leg poses might be tricky), with minimal tweaks to details. Dark Reapers are trickier, although you could always invent a new Aspect to pair them with.

Plastic Ratlings would be nice - as well as snipers you could have recon teams and sappers.

I wish GW would make plastic kits for a whole new and full army of Adepta Sororitas (yeah, I don't expect to see them coming back with the "Sisters of Battle" name - too generic). Yeah, I know.

Man those DA drawings are amazing. I'm in loooove!