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@Skink - I agree, but that was 2014. I'd just be surprised if there was enough momentum to keep it up in the *top 7* of 2015. Especially, with 3 of the spots almost certainly taken by AoS, Calth, and Imperial Knight, and some kits that are probably really popular like Space Marine Tacticals and AdMech Rangers.

Still, I see the buying patterns in my local area, and I'm no doubt influenced by that bias; for all I know, Stormwolf/fangs are super popular in 60% of the world.

My guess is that this list has no real basis.

 Talys wrote:
@Skink - I agree, but that was 2014. I'd just be surprised if there was enough momentum to keep it up in the *top 7* of 2015. Especially, with 3 of the spots almost certainly taken by AoS, Calth, and Imperial Knight, and some kits that are probably really popular like Space Marine Tacticals and AdMech Rangers.

Still, I see the buying patterns in my local area, and I'm no doubt influenced by that bias; for all I know, Stormwolf/fangs are super popular in 60% of the world.

I believe the Zoans and Venoms were a 2014 release and I've stated earlier why I wouldn't have expected them in the top 20 at all. So I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if they SW stuff manages to squeeze in.

Again, I don't know what it's like now, it might have been people bandwagon jumping on SW's back in 5th, but the 5th SW codex actually sold as much as the 5th vanilla codex, so there's likely to be a whole heap of SW players out there.

That and I'm still not convinced GW aren't lying to us with this list but that's another matter.

If you've seen the cover for White Dwarf 100 you'll know #1 so I will not spoil it but I'm with you Talys.

AoS starter, BaC, Bloodthirster (usable in both games), Admech Rangers, Tactical Marines, Imperial Knight.

Being a Space Wolf player and owning a Stormfang I'm not sure that'll make it though.


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 nullBolt wrote:
My guess is that this list has no real basis.

If that was true the list would be littered with AoS Stormcast and Khorne don't you think?

Seriqolm wrote:
If that was true the list would be littered with AoS Stormcast and Khorne don't you think?

BaC and the AoS starter will probably be 1 and 2 respectively.

I haven't seen the cover of #100 yet. The suspense!!! But I think that was the "Favorite" model, no? like reader's votes, rather than best-selling.

Imperial Knight could be in any of the top 3 spots too, since there are a lot of guys out there buying multiple knights.

And, OT, but... MERRY CHRISTMAS everybody!!

 nullBolt wrote:

Seriqolm wrote:
If that was true the list would be littered with AoS Stormcast and Khorne don't you think?

BaC and the AoS starter will probably be 1 and 2 respectively.

Which is probably correct as they are both big sellers for GW.

Ooooo. Bloodthirster is #7!!

Assuming AoS Starter, Calth, and Imperial Knight make the top 6, that only leaves 3 more spots

Wow, Blood Angels Tacticals #6. I guess I'm not the only crazy person who keeps buying Blood Angels models!

 Talys wrote:
Wow, Blood Angels Tacticals #6. I guess I'm not the only crazy person who keeps buying Blood Angels models!

Shhh shhh, pay no attention to the men in the white coats...

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 Bottle wrote:
Interesting that (presumably) the Skitarii Rangers will be one of the remaining spots meaning the ENTIRE Skitarii range is there...

...and so far not one of the Cult Mechanicus sets has made it.

They were released a good deal afterward yes? Could simply be the effect of being for sale for a considerably shorter amount of time.

 Bottle wrote:
Interesting that (presumably) the Skitarii Rangers will be one of the remaining spots meaning the ENTIRE Skitarii range is there...

...and so far not one of the Cult Mechanicus sets has made it.

I was thinking the same thing. Barring the Techpriest, which you only need one of, the Cult models are pretty lackluster when compared to the Skitarii range. Electro-priests are just terribad rules-wise, and the Kastelans are inferior copies of FW's Castellax. Unless they're running a full War Convocation, most people just run allied Kataphrons with a Dominus.

Keep in mind that the Cult has only 3 kits and 1 hero clamshell... kastellan (which also contains the datasmith model), kataphron, electropriest, and then the solo dominus.

I don't think any single clamshell is ever going to make a top seller -- if Space marine Librarian couldn't do it, none of them can. Electropriests are nice models, but the rules blow. The Kastelans have good rules, but the models blow. I like the Kataphron, but I wouldn't invest in a new army that was that limited... I mean, I bought all the models, but just 1 of each, for the model, not to play the faction.

What would have made all the difference in the world for the Cult would be one more 50mm base elite (or a FA like a bike), more attractive rules, and a slightly less dorky kastelan. Or, screw the kastelan and make an expensive, big size model like the FW automaton and call it a centerpiece.

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So with only 5 spots left, if we have AoS Starter, Calth, Imperial Knight and Rangers, I wonder what's in the 5th spot? Probably not DV, since it's not on the Bestsellers list. Space marine Tacticals?

@Bottle - well, the Kataphron might have done better. But if they released it as one big book, the electropriests and kastelans, I think, would have still been poor performers (bad rules, goofy models).

The Cult aren't a waste for GW though. It's almost certain that there will be more mechanicus releases now, with their performance, If they come up with great rules for Electropriests the next go-around (or some great formation requiring them), they'll fly off the shelf, as there's nothing wrong with the model.

IMO, the next rules refresh, they'll do exactly what you suggest, and combine the two factions. I think "everyone" wants that anyhow. At least, I've never seen anyone either IRL or online who's made a case for them being in separate books.

 Talys wrote:
So with only 5 spots left, if we have AoS Starter, Calth, Imperial Knight and Rangers, I wonder what's in the 5th spot? Probably not DV, since it's not on the Bestsellers list. Space marine Tacticals?

Was the sprue revamp that added grab bits 2015 or late 2014? It's such an important core kit for the most popular faction and more and got both new bits and new ridiculous rules (the gladius/demi co) that I could easily see it there.

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If we set the final 5 to IK, Tacticals, Calth, Sigmar, and rangers, that leaves it with...

Model kits with bases up to 32mm: 7
(Tactical, BA Tac, Troupe, Rangers, CSM, Scions, Devastator)

Non-centerpiece model kits with bases larger than 32mm: 9
(Dragoon, Dunecrawler, Sicarians, Venomthrope, Tyrannocyte, Starweaver, Mortarch, Blight Kings, LRC)

Centerpiece and Very Large Models: 7
(IK, Bloodthirster, Toxicrene, Nagash, Stormsurge, Glottkin, Baneblade)

Box Sets: 4
(Calth, Sigmar, Necron, Cadian)


@Bottle - you're thinking Judicators, I think? I don't think so, but it's possible It's also possible that Age of Sigmar Starter Set didn't make the cut. But I kinda doubt GW sold more Glottkin sets than Sigmar. The other thing I haven't figured out is the cryptic message that there might be more tanks in the top models.


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#5: TYRANID SWARM!!

ZOMG. I would never have guessed. Shows you what I know, lol.

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I know!! Could it be that AoS doesn't make the list?! Or Betrayal at Calth?!?!

I find either really hard to believe, but hey, Tyranid Swarm is #5 so, like, anything is possible.

I share your guesses for the top 4, though I will guess (from #4 to #1) Rangers, AoS, Calth, Knight.

IK is just so popular, and there are so many multiple purchases.

Thanks for keeping this updated Mymearan!

I really doubt AOS will be on this series. It's just not a popular game by any means; people didn't want Fantasy Marines vs. (more) Khorne. All of the Fantasy releases that have been on here so far were part of the WHFB End Times series, and most share some ubiquity with 40k (daemons are easy enough to convert for one game or the other, so sales will be undoubtedly be higher).

I'm guessing the Knight, Betrayal at Calth, maybe Skitarii Rangers (would seem strange if this didn't beat out the other AM releases), and some other generic 40k faction release (like the Tyranid swarm for instance!) to finish off the remainder.

EDIT: oh, and the generic Space Marine tactical squad! If that hasn't popped up by now, then it really should be in the top 4 (I doubt the Blood Angels version of it is winning out!)

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@accolade - tyranid swarm already hit #5 I think either Space Marine Tactical Squad or Age of Sigmar will have to go (since I it makes no sense that fewer rangers sold than the other kits for the faction, lol).

I'm with Bottle though, and it's rather puzzling -- did AoS sell LESS than Glotkin, lol? That would be baffling!

Regarding Dark Vengeance, this is actually not hard to believe at all, as the current Dark Vengeance is almost identical to the old one (there's the one chaos model added and the 7e rulebook). I almost didn't buy it last year! In any case, it's not on the 40k bestseller list online, so I think it's out.

Bottle wrote:@accolade do you really think GW sold more Glotkins this year than AoS starter sets? I find it hard to believe as the starter sets have always been big sellers.

Actually on that note, does the lack of Dark Vengence mean more Glotkins were sold than DV kits? Seems slightly worrying lol...

The AOS starter was a decent deal, and the miniatures are a good quality, but AOS in general is not a popular game. You can buy the starter game for about half the original price on Amazon. The starter represented the doom of a previous game, and it came with a lot of baggage something like a new edition does not.

I could have seen the AOS starter on this list, but I really can't see it being in the top 4. I could of course be wrong, but it would be very surprising for it to beat out most of these things. There's still Imperial Knights, the Dark Vengeance boxset (as you mentioned), a wealth of Space Marine kits, Betrayal at Calth, the remaining Skitarii releases, plus all of the starter army sets (like the Tyranids that just came in #5).

Talys wrote:@accolade - tyranid swarm already hit #5 I think either Space Marine Tactical Squad or Age of Sigmar will have to go (since I it makes no sense that fewer rangers sold than the other kits for the faction, lol).

I'm with Bottle though, and it's rather puzzling -- did AoS sell LESS than Glotkin, lol? That would be baffling!

Regarding Dark Vengeance, this is actually not hard to believe at all, as the current Dark Vengeance is almost identical to the old one (there's the one chaos model added and the 7e rulebook). I almost didn't buy it last year! In any case, it's not on the 40k bestseller list online, so I think it's out.

Yeah I saw that Talys that's why I mentioned the swarm.

Glottkin has the ability to sub in for a GUO, plus he was part of the earlier sales for the End Times, when there was a big boost of excitement still remaining around WHFB (remember when stores were saying they couldn't keep End Times stuff on the shelves?). People were still excited to see what was going to happen with WHFB. When they found out the game was being discontinued and being replaced with Fantasy Space Marines...well, I don't think it was popular with a significant portion of the customer base.

I can see Dark Vengeance not being in the list for the reasons you cited, but I think it's something that's hawked at newbies so much that its sales remain high. Time will tell with the next four days!

Incidentally, off topic, but I think with the new "Start Collecting Now!" battle boxes, Dark Vengeance post 2016 sales will plummet.

I would expect the list to be biased toward things released at the start of the year.

It also depends what they are calling "2015". In financial statements, they often take from the start of Dec 2014 to the start of Dec 2015.... in which case Blood Angels were released right at the start of their year, so it doesn't surprise me that BA Tacticals are near the top of the list, they would be the only thing in the list that includes both the initial release/impulse buys + a full 12 months of "regular" sales.

Same with the Harlequins, Admech stuff. Sales SHOULD be biased toward them since they came out at the start of the year.

The surprising things are stuff like Zoans/venoms that came out toward the end of last year, but then I guess if they are reporting 2015 as being from Dec to Dec, maybe they are catching the 'nid release.

Actually, that would make the list make a bit more sense, if it's counted from the nid release last year up until early Dec this year, it would explain why all 3 of those nid kits + the swarm are on the list, as I'd be very surprised if 'nids were actually THAT popular to wiggle their way in without the list being biased toward them due to the release schedule.

It also depends what they are calling "2015".

I've been wondering that as well, clearly they are not including most of this December. But that might also mean Calth will not be on? It came out mid November, depending on what 2015 means it may not get in.

Personally I was surprised to see the Tau stormsurge on the list. It literally just came out as this thing started getting updated and already sold well enough to be one of their most popular models. Kinda hoping more Tau stuff makes it towards the top but I doubt it.

 Sidstyler wrote:
Personally I was surprised to see the Tau stormsurge on the list. It literally just came out as this thing started getting updated and already sold well enough to be one of their most popular models. Kinda hoping more Tau stuff makes it towards the top but I doubt it.

I was thinking the same thing, it's only been 3 or 4 months I think?

If GW are using a reasonably large interpretation of "2015" which includes the last few months of 2014, then it would explain a bit better all the End Times stuff in the list, as I found once the End Times ended most people went on a purchasing hiatus of WHFB stuff (except people who were worried it was the end and purchased stuff to finish off their armies).