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Your guys already left. You get no say in this TS. Plus a 4+ invuln really helps

 War Kitten wrote:
Your guys already left. You get no say in this TS. Plus a 4+ invuln really helps

I could come back, but that would alter history.

Well, dayum. Didn't see that one coming, to be perfectly honest

Seems like my guys had some measure of success (although the Charidian Guard and Forsian elements apparently got murdered into oblivion), Death Ravens to the (late) rescue!

Bravo, fella. That was definitely worth waiting on.

For those wondering why Fairfax apparently bailed, a RT ship is usually less than 1/3rd military force, with up to eight thousand civilians living aboard at any given time. It'd be like asking the mayor of a city to drive it into a u-boat. Very difficult to justify.
I can't remember what population I gave the Sovereign, but it was 2-5k I think.

I completely understand. My Histans are covering your arse anyway, if crusade command gets mad about it, we'll stand up for you. It's not like the Histans are strangers to death anyway. I'm thinking they should retire from ship battles, it always gets them killed.

Don't forget, it's all to play for down on the surface of Grimdi, so stay tuned, once I can get some more written up!

I think it's safe to say I won the Void battle?

No Kharne. It's not. My fleet is still operational, and your flagship just exploded. Nothing is over yet.

 War Kitten wrote:
No Kharne. It's not. My fleet is still operational, and your flagship just exploded. Nothing is over yet.

I have 2 (Well, one now) Cairn-Class Tomb ships. And I haven't even used my Cruisers or my Harvesters yet

Not to mention *Cough* Gauss Projectors *Cough*

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
I think it's safe to say I won the Void battle?

The only real winner was Captain Kassani he finnaly got that pesky Zonand. or atleast it seems that way

Also fantastic work Smudge I personally can't write Void combat, but you did it masterfully

 2BlackJack1 wrote:
I completely understand. My Histans are covering your arse anyway, if crusade command gets mad about it, we'll stand up for you. It's not like the Histans are strangers to death anyway. I'm thinking they should retire from ship battles, it always gets them killed.

It sounds like I had a handful of rescued Histans aboard again from this battle (or I'm tired and misread). We're not going far, so they can either join in where we've gone, or you can have them back again after wrap up.

Smudge did a good job writing how stress has kind of made Reynard incapable of making choices in case he makes the wrong one, now.

 chazz huggins wrote:

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
I think it's safe to say I won the Void battle?

The only real winner was Captain Kassani he finnaly got that pesky Zonand. or atleast it seems that way

True... I'm just happy Smudge rammed the Arbalest into something and be undamaged...until that one guy *Explode*

So questions of void supremacy aside. I have a serious question for the group. What level of plot armor is acceptable for an army of Imperial Knights? I'm working to make each one of my Knights into a character in their own right, but I'm worried that if I give them too much plot armor, that I'll be accused of trying to make an invincible army. My army is pretty much 4 Knights on the planet fighting alongside Jhe's Wolves (plus maybe 1 Knight in orbit). I don't want to be seen as a jerk, but each Knight I lose is a devastating blow to my strength overall (and losing characters that I had a bunch of ideas for just sucks). Maybe if I "lose" a Knight the pilot can escape through the salvation hatch, but just be unusuable for a while until a new Knight suit is found that is compatible with the Knight Scion? What do you guys think?

I believe you had some Histans with you. It wouldn't be unreasonable for some to stick with House Fairfax. Come to think of it, I wonder what that loon Mordos is doing in all of this...

 War Kitten wrote:
So questions of void supremacy aside. I have a serious question for the group. What level of plot armor is acceptable for an army of Imperial Knights? I'm working to make each one of my Knights into a character in their own right, but I'm worried that if I give them too much plot armor, that I'll be accused of trying to make an invincible army. My army is pretty much 4 Knights on the planet fighting alongside Jhe's Wolves (plus maybe 1 Knight in orbit). I don't want to be seen as a jerk, but each Knight I lose is a devastating blow to my strength overall (and losing characters that I had a bunch of ideas for just sucks). Maybe if I "lose" a Knight the pilot can escape through the salvation hatch, but just be unusuable for a while until a new Knight suit is found that is compatible with the Knight Scion? What do you guys think?

Yeah, that sounds good. One knight is destroyed but the pilot lives... He/She will just have to hang out at base until a new chassis can be supplied?

 War Kitten wrote:
So questions of void supremacy aside. I have a serious question for the group. What level of plot armor is acceptable for an army of Imperial Knights? I'm working to make each one of my Knights into a character in their own right, but I'm worried that if I give them too much plot armor, that I'll be accused of trying to make an invincible army. My army is pretty much 4 Knights on the planet fighting alongside Jhe's Wolves (plus maybe 1 Knight in orbit). I don't want to be seen as a jerk, but each Knight I lose is a devastating blow to my strength overall (and losing characters that I had a bunch of ideas for just sucks). Maybe if I "lose" a Knight the pilot can escape through the salvation hatch, but just be unusuable for a while until a new Knight suit is found that is compatible with the Knight Scion? What do you guys think?

Having the pilot escape through a salvation hatch would be fine, I think, just make sure not to over-use it. But maybe the Knights themselves can be damaged enough that they (and their pilot) have to retreat so they can be repaired?

For example, a cannon blasting off one of the Knight's arms would render it incapable of continuing combat for a while, or if it loses one of its legs, one of the other Knights has to drag it to safety. Knights are supposed to be pretty sturdy, but even they can't shrug off everything. For added dramatic effect, damage to the Knight could even harm its pilot (like a shot just under the cockpit that sends debris flying into the pilot's seat, puncturing one of their legs or something)

It sounds good, WK. As long as your knights aren't coming out of a major defeat with no casualties (note, casualties doesn't mean deaths) you won't have any complaints. If a knight gets knocked around, cool. I'm not expecting you to kill off a knight everytime something goes wrong. If you did that with my luck, you'd lose all of your army day one.

 Ezra Tyrius wrote:

 War Kitten wrote:
So questions of void supremacy aside. I have a serious question for the group. What level of plot armor is acceptable for an army of Imperial Knights? I'm working to make each one of my Knights into a character in their own right, but I'm worried that if I give them too much plot armor, that I'll be accused of trying to make an invincible army. My army is pretty much 4 Knights on the planet fighting alongside Jhe's Wolves (plus maybe 1 Knight in orbit). I don't want to be seen as a jerk, but each Knight I lose is a devastating blow to my strength overall (and losing characters that I had a bunch of ideas for just sucks). Maybe if I "lose" a Knight the pilot can escape through the salvation hatch, but just be unusuable for a while until a new Knight suit is found that is compatible with the Knight Scion? What do you guys think?

Having the pilot escape through a salvation hatch would be fine, I think, just make sure not to over-use it. But maybe the Knights themselves can be damaged enough that they (and their pilot) have to retreat so they can be repaired?

For example, a cannon blasting off one of the Knight's arms would render it incapable of continuing combat for a while, or if it loses one of its legs, one of the other Knights has to drag it to safety. Knights are supposed to be pretty sturdy, but even they can't shrug off everything. For added dramatic effect, damage to the Knight could even harm its pilot (like a shot just under the cockpit that sends debris flying into the pilot's seat, puncturing one of their legs or something)

That's the thing. I don't WANT to over-use it. But my entire force is literally those 4 Knights. Losing a pilot is an incredible blow to my overall strength. I have no problem with a suit taking terrible damage and being forced to retreat, or to be dragged to safety by another Knight/Friendly forces. My problem lay with what happens to the pilots. If one gets injured? Fine. I just don't want any of them being put down for good, as that will pretty much wreck my overall capability as a fighting force

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:

 War Kitten wrote:
So questions of void supremacy aside. I have a serious question for the group. What level of plot armor is acceptable for an army of Imperial Knights? I'm working to make each one of my Knights into a character in their own right, but I'm worried that if I give them too much plot armor, that I'll be accused of trying to make an invincible army. My army is pretty much 4 Knights on the planet fighting alongside Jhe's Wolves (plus maybe 1 Knight in orbit). I don't want to be seen as a jerk, but each Knight I lose is a devastating blow to my strength overall (and losing characters that I had a bunch of ideas for just sucks). Maybe if I "lose" a Knight the pilot can escape through the salvation hatch, but just be unusuable for a while until a new Knight suit is found that is compatible with the Knight Scion? What do you guys think?

Yeah, that sounds good. One knight is destroyed but the pilot lives... He/She will just have to hang out at base until a new chassis can be supplied?

Or salvaged and repqird. Titans are so big even when "destroyed" they often can be rebuilt. Could just be say lost leg so requires a trip back to the repair factory. To massive damage but parts rebuilt into a new frame.

Just have to wait until repaired or new suit deployed.

Maybe they carry survial beacon etc. Get picked up via gunship and evaced.

 jhe90 wrote:

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:

 War Kitten wrote:
So questions of void supremacy aside. I have a serious question for the group. What level of plot armor is acceptable for an army of Imperial Knights? I'm working to make each one of my Knights into a character in their own right, but I'm worried that if I give them too much plot armor, that I'll be accused of trying to make an invincible army. My army is pretty much 4 Knights on the planet fighting alongside Jhe's Wolves (plus maybe 1 Knight in orbit). I don't want to be seen as a jerk, but each Knight I lose is a devastating blow to my strength overall (and losing characters that I had a bunch of ideas for just sucks). Maybe if I "lose" a Knight the pilot can escape through the salvation hatch, but just be unusuable for a while until a new Knight suit is found that is compatible with the Knight Scion? What do you guys think?

Yeah, that sounds good. One knight is destroyed but the pilot lives... He/She will just have to hang out at base until a new chassis can be supplied?

Or salvaged and repqird. Titans are so big even when "destroyed" they often can be rebuilt.

Just have to wait until repaired or new suit deployed.

Maybe they carry survial beacon etc. Get picked up via gunship and evaced.

I see BC's Adeptus Mechanicus playing a role here

 War Kitten wrote:
So questions of void supremacy aside. I have a serious question for the group. What level of plot armor is acceptable for an army of Imperial Knights? I'm working to make each one of my Knights into a character in their own right, but I'm worried that if I give them too much plot armor, that I'll be accused of trying to make an invincible army. My army is pretty much 4 Knights on the planet fighting alongside Jhe's Wolves (plus maybe 1 Knight in orbit). I don't want to be seen as a jerk, but each Knight I lose is a devastating blow to my strength overall (and losing characters that I had a bunch of ideas for just sucks). Maybe if I "lose" a Knight the pilot can escape through the salvation hatch, but just be unusuable for a while until a new Knight suit is found that is compatible with the Knight Scion? What do you guys think?

This would only occur on some really bad defeat. I would say the pilot would escape and would have to wait for a replacement.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 War Kitten wrote:
So questions of void supremacy aside. I have a serious question for the group. What level of plot armor is acceptable for an army of Imperial Knights? I'm working to make each one of my Knights into a character in their own right, but I'm worried that if I give them too much plot armor, that I'll be accused of trying to make an invincible army. My army is pretty much 4 Knights on the planet fighting alongside Jhe's Wolves (plus maybe 1 Knight in orbit). I don't want to be seen as a jerk, but each Knight I lose is a devastating blow to my strength overall (and losing characters that I had a bunch of ideas for just sucks). Maybe if I "lose" a Knight the pilot can escape through the salvation hatch, but just be unusuable for a while until a new Knight suit is found that is compatible with the Knight Scion? What do you guys think?

This would only occur on some really bad defeat. I would say the pilot would escape and would have to wait for a replacement.

So basically the Pilot probably won't die (but may get badly injured), but in most cases where I suffer a major defeat the Knight suits may get badly damaged/destroyed?

Not to mention your auxiliary forces can always take a beating as well. It'd still hurt you, since it'd lessen your efficiency in urban areas and whatnot, where knights don't do so hot.

Speaking of Knights, did you and TS figure out the relation between each other yet? As in, kill on sight, or race each other to see who gets more kills in the battle?

 2BlackJack1 wrote:
Not to mention your auxiliary forces can always take a beating as well. It'd still hurt you, since it'd lessen your efficiency in urban areas and whatnot, where knights don't do so hot.

Speaking of Knights, did you and TS figure out the relation between each other yet? As in, kill on sight, or race each other to see who gets more kills in the battle?

Think of Dark Angels and Space Wolves. That's the general relationship. TS wants to make it so that they don't quite know why they hate each other, so it's simmered down to more competition than anything else

 2BlackJack1 wrote:
Not to mention your auxiliary forces can always take a beating as well. It'd still hurt you, since it'd lessen your efficiency in urban areas and whatnot, where knights don't do so hot.

Speaking of Knights, did you and TS figure out the relation between each other yet? As in, kill on sight, or race each other to see who gets more kills in the battle?

The relationship is honestly a little bit more than an inside joke both sides took literally.

So in other words "only I can hit you, but if someone else does they can meet this here battle cannon" I'm on board, it should add a humorous side to the crusade, and character building everywhere.

Also, a progress report on the BoB: One name written up, and I found a list of suggestions that are rather juicy. (Knowing Nurgle, take that how you will)

Post repeated.

Ok. I'm happy with how the plot armor will work for my Knights now. The pilots can be badly hurt in case of a major defeat, but more often than not the real loss will be losing a Knight Suit, or the Suit taking extreme damage, both requiring time before the Pilot can re-join the fight.

Isn't that how this crusade has done it, anyway? Archarus got injured and he had to sit out for a bit after getting mauled by possessed CSM's.

 War Kitten wrote:
Ok. I'm happy with how the plot armor will work for my Knights now. The pilots can be badly hurt in case of a major defeat, but more often than not the real loss will be losing a Knight Suit, or the Suit taking extreme damage, both requiring time before the Pilot can re-join the fight.

Ideal moment for some couples crusade